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Posted: 3/24/2006 8:37:27 AM EDT
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If your uncomfortable with carrying one in the chamber of your Glock, get a diffeent gun. The Glock is as safe as you are and as safe an any other gun out there. I used to have a USP that would by accident have the safety switched off. Was probably the holster but all guns have one thing in common. They do not fire unless YOU pull the trigger. If you are careless with your trigger finger than your gona shoot youself or someone else. If you have good trigger finger diciplin , then your gun WILL NOT fire untill you tell it to. I have a Glock 26 that I carry every day, round in the chamber and it has yet to shoot me.
Hmmm, come to think of it, I have a G30 as well that has yet to shoot me. Point is, the gun is safe, it is you who poses the problem/issue, not the gun. If you can keep your finger off the trigger, and make sure when reholstering it, that your trigger guard is clear, you will have no issues. Viper out......... |
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Posted: 3/24/2006 8:37:52 AM EDT
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Learn to be careful. Holstering is the big problem. Look to make sure nothing catches the trigger. You will get used to it.
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Posted: 3/24/2006 8:41:03 AM EDT
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Practice.
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Posted: 3/24/2006 8:57:53 AM EDT
[#4]
One more thing, you should take a 3-5 day class with the gun, to get to know it and you'll learn more than you thought there was to know about pistol shooting. Secondly, carry it for a week with an empty chamber and a full mag (normally a bad idea) if it helps you develop donfidence. You will find, I am sure, on Day Seven the trigger will be forward and the striker at half cock--in other words, the trigger won't have been pulled.
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Posted: 3/24/2006 12:56:30 PM EDT
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I am not giving you a hard time so I don't mean to come across that way. But I agree. If you are uncomfortable carrying one in the pipe in your 27 don't carry it. I carry my 27 off-duty and would not think about NOT having around chambered. That defeats the entire purpose of carrying the weapon. A short story: This incident just happened about two months ago. A fellow officer (a good friend) on my department responded to a car jacking. Upon arriving on scene, within seconds, the offender was surrounded by 4 officers. The offender ran over one of the officers, pinning him under the rear tire as he continued to accelerate. My friend, being fully justified in his actions, fired two rounds killing the offender. We later found out that he did not have a round chambered and had to rack a round. I am not sure if this was accidental or intentional. Luckily we, LEO's, train, train, train and that training kicked in. I WOULD NOT WANT TO BE IN THAT SAME SITUATION WITHOUT A ROUND CHAMBERED!!!!. Always have your weapon ready. Take your 27 to the range, and then take it again, and again before carrying it. You will do no one any good if you, in the moment of truth, are not properly trained or well practiced. A CCW is a large responsibility use it wisely.
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Posted: 3/24/2006 1:03:02 PM EDT
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You're not gonna shoot yourself drawing your weapon, unless you put your finger on the trigger (or maybe if you have some strap or something caught INSIDE your holster). I concur with everyone saying "if you're not comfortable carrying it chambered, get a different handgun." I carry my Glock chambered ALL the time. No worries with a well designed holster (WITHOUT A RETENTION STRAP).
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Posted: 3/24/2006 2:26:35 PM EDT
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It boils down to a lack of familiarity, training and confidence. Time and practice is what you need. Practice drawing and reholstering with an EMPTY weapon. Take all ammo out of the room and practice drawing from the holster, coming up on ready and dry firing. Then reholster. Repeat.
As Combat_Jack suggested, take a training class. I think a 3-5 day course might be a bit advanced for you at this point so start with a one day class and then look for a 3 day class. |
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Posted: 3/24/2006 3:55:12 PM EDT
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Glocks have 3 safeties.
I carry a 27 as a BUG to my 22. I use a rather flimsy vest carrier. I'm not concerned about an AD. Just keep your finger out of the trigger guard while holstering. Do not have keys in your hand while your gun is in your hand. I know of 1 AD from a key in the trigger guard while holstering. Buy a good holster and practice putting it in and taking it out while it's unloaded. If you are really nervous about it. Set the gun on the table and watch it intently as long as humanly possibly. IF the gun goes off by it's self I'll buy you a beer. |
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Posted: 3/24/2006 7:33:50 PM EDT
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Keep your finger off the trigger until your ready to shoot and never holster a Glock without looking in the holster first. What could be easier, it's a great gun.
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Posted: 3/24/2006 9:17:41 PM EDT
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Practice makes perfect.
People carried single and double action revolvers for a long long time before autos became common. Make sure you are comfortable drawing the weapon from a cariety of positions and under stress and you will be fine. A few minutes of practice drawing and dry firing every night for a few weeks can make a world of difference. |
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Posted: 3/25/2006 8:35:04 AM EDT
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glock 27 carried everyday with one in the pipe holstered in milt sparks vmII
the only safety is the one carrying |
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Posted: 3/26/2006 3:12:33 AM EDT
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Just don't touch the trigger.
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Posted: 3/26/2006 1:03:29 PM EDT
[#14]
Keep your finger off the trigger, until you are ready to fire. Many Glock shooters index their trigger finger along the side of the slide. I have even seen shooters place their trigger finger over the top of the ejection port, until they are ready to shoot. I am not familiar with the holster you re using; but as long as it fits properly there should not be any problems with carrying the weapon loaded.
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Posted: 3/26/2006 3:58:09 PM EDT
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CJ-what's wrong with carrying a loaded mag without one in the chamber?
Once you get more comfortable with the pistol you'll be less hesitant to carry it chambered. |
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Posted: 3/26/2006 4:15:52 PM EDT
[#16]
I just started carrying a G26 and with one in the pipe since I started. I have beat it against numerous things while holstered and I haven't had an AD. I feel fully confident with it. I have also taken it out of the holster several times each day with no problems.
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Posted: 3/26/2006 4:16:38 PM EDT
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To each his own. I carry all my handguns with a empty pipe. That is just me, I allways have.
I picked Glock because there is nothing to get in the way of racking the slide, no buttons or do-dades. I think Glock is the perfic gun to carry with the pipe empty. |
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Posted: 3/27/2006 7:56:22 AM EDT
[#18]
It's a bitch to load one handed. Who knows how a fight will start--maybe the attacker will have a deathgrip on my arm and I will have to draw and fire one handed. |
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Posted: 3/27/2006 8:05:49 AM EDT
[#19]
bad guys wont wait for you to chamber a round.
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Posted: 3/27/2006 8:07:42 AM EDT
[#20]
There is a reason it's called "dead man's carry."
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Posted: 3/27/2006 9:29:48 AM EDT
[#21]
We went through this in another thread, and hopefully it won't get nearly as nasty here. While there is nothing inherently wrong with carrying a Glock with one in the pipe, in reality it is a bit of a non-issue. There are strengths and weaknesses to all modes of carry, the trick is to identify what strengths benefit you and what weaknesses can trouble you. Historically most people have carried autos chamber empty without any trouble, and it is still the preferred method of carry in many places. In the overall scheme of things it generally doesn't matter which you choose, chamber empty or loaded. Figure out what fits your situation best, then practice with that mode in mind.
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Posted: 3/27/2006 12:52:31 PM EDT
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Since some of the best practice you can do is at home with an UNLOADED gun try this... Drill in the garage or safe room with an UNLOADED gun with your carry rig... After a couple hundred presentations you'll get more comfortable with your gear...
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Posted: 3/27/2006 7:09:49 PM EDT
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agree with darm441 the one thing I will add is decide what is best for you trian that way and don't deviate- where people get into truble is when they start plating the game
will carry gun a in mode1 carry gun b in mode 2 etc. |
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Posted: 3/28/2006 2:47:03 AM EDT
[#24]
Yep, holstering is it. Remember, complacency kills. Re: Glock- fotey video |
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Posted: 3/28/2006 9:21:09 AM EDT
[#25]
+1!
My unit would spend hours on the firing line drawing and holstering our G19's without mags. It helps build muscle memory and makes getting a sight picture second nature. But we did this often. Shooting is a frangible skill and will deteriorate over time when not practiced. As a civie, I've noticed that when go long periods in between range visits, my skills are not as up to par. Holster work is all about form. Stand in front of a full length mirror and practice your form (just as you would when lifting weights or shadowboxing. |
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Posted: 3/28/2006 9:25:18 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/28/2006 7:16:54 PM EDT
[#27]
Thats funny you posted that. I was thinking of that scene the whole time I read this thread. |
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Posted: 3/30/2006 1:17:09 PM EDT
[#28]
I feel as long as you carry it in a holster and you are safe it should be alright.Years ago while uc I would just carry my glock27 in my waistband but didnt have one in the chamber.Got real proficient with the Israeli way of drawing etc.
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Posted: 3/30/2006 10:54:51 PM EDT
[#29]
You all should surrender your glock and turn in your man card to me immediately.having
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Posted: 3/30/2006 10:58:03 PM EDT
[#30]
We have to carry empty chamber at work. They are trying to switch us to Level III holsters, too. Why the fuck even give us guns if we can't bring them into action if we need to.
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Posted: 3/31/2006 10:21:43 AM EDT
[#31]
If you need to bring your gun into action having the chamber empty will not be a problem. It is quite easy to charge the weapon as part of the drawstroke.
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Posted: 3/31/2006 10:32:47 AM EDT
[#32]
...still not as fast as draw and shoot.
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Posted: 3/31/2006 10:54:38 AM EDT
[#33]
...assuming you have the luxury of the use of your other hand. |
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Posted: 3/31/2006 10:57:33 AM EDT
[#34]
But quite fast enough! |
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Posted: 3/31/2006 10:58:32 AM EDT
[#35]
Nice assumption, but one that looks at a problem that has not shown itself to be real over the years. |
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Posted: 3/31/2006 11:08:24 AM EDT
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Would you carry a revolver with the hammer resting on an empty cylinder? Just something to ponder.
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Posted: 3/31/2006 11:11:38 AM EDT
[#37]
Consider this. You are 2 feet from the agressor and you need to draw and fire from the hip...yeah, fast enough my ass. And I don't want to hear they shouldnt be that close cus' in the real world you cant have a 5 foot perimeter at all times. |
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Posted: 3/31/2006 11:24:20 AM EDT
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Did you see that recently posted video of the hotel clerk shooting the would-be armed robber? You're telling me that he would have had time to draw, rack the slide and still get those rounds off before the felon? I'll have to disagree. |
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Posted: 3/31/2006 11:46:33 AM EDT
[#39]
If all I had was an old school revolver with a hammer mounted firing pin, then yes. Otherwise no. |
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Posted: 4/1/2006 3:49:23 PM EDT
[#41]
If you keep sticking your Glock inside your waistband, you WILL have a problem one day. Get a high quality holster and practice, practice, practice. |
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Posted: 4/2/2006 10:45:59 AM EDT
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ARDunstan,
I carry in a Desantis horsehide IWB holster. It is not as robust as the milt sparks holster other folks seem to be fond of. I have been looking at the milt sparks et al. and think maybe a more rigid holster would be a good idea. The one I have is okay, but is only rigid once the pistol is inserted. This forces me to clip the holster to my pants with the pistol already inserted. Fortunately, the trigger is covered. |
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Posted: 4/2/2006 11:51:42 AM EDT
[#43]
viper5194 said it best.
if you are scared of carrying a gun loaded with one in the chamber, BUY A NEW GUN. a glock is as safe as any gun out there. i get so tired of hearing that glocks arent safe... here it is nice and easy... IF YOU DONT WANT THE GUN TO FIRE, DONT PULL THE TRIGGER!!! and if your glock is holstered correctly in a holster that is MADE FOR THE MODEL YOU HAVE, then to trigger and the trigger housing will be covered by the holster and you wont be able to accidentally pull the trigger. |
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Posted: 4/2/2006 8:27:23 PM EDT
[#45]
As the others have already stated. Get some training with your pistol.
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Posted: 4/3/2006 9:12:27 AM EDT
[#46]
Revolver hammers don't rest on cylinders, but I get your point. The dynamics of a revolver and an auto are quite different, therefore carry condition techniques might not be appropriate. However, for some revolvers, yes, the standard method of carry was to keep the hammer down over an empty chamber. |
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Posted: 4/3/2006 9:15:45 AM EDT
[#47]
Consider that drawing and firing from the hip may not be the right response here. Consider that selecting an extremely improbable and rare event for evidence does not support the idea at all. Consider that this "problem" has not actually been a problem in reality based on years of history and actual use. |
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Posted: 4/3/2006 9:17:49 AM EDT
[#48]
Yes, easily. That is assuming that the clerk had normal physical abilities. Racking the slide even for the untrained won't add more than 1/2 second to the overall draw stroke. Plus all this talk about out-of-norm gunfights misses the issue, which is overall use and carry. As I've pointed out elsewhere, focusing only on the one narrow (and perhaps most unllikely) part of the CCW concept keep sone from seeing the whole picture. |
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Posted: 4/3/2006 9:19:51 AM EDT
[#49]
ASLET?? |
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Posted: 4/3/2006 9:24:03 AM EDT
[#50]
Average distance for a handgun shoot out is 7 ft. Average time of shootiut is 3 secs. Average ammo expendature is 2-3 rounds. ALL things being equal level 1 carry will always be faster then a level 2 carry. If my life is on the line I want all the time I can get. |
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