I'm looking for a new range pistol and i can't decide between a 92FS or a CZ 75b. This will not be a CCW pistol. Looking for pro's and con's for each. Thanks

Con with the CZ is the trigger needs some work in the beginning.  After that it's a very good pistol.  Beretta 92FS was my first pistol and I loved it, but it's a bit thick in the hips for what it is.  Get both or flip a quarter

Had both, but I prefer the Beretta.

The CZ has better ergonomics, and has the ability to be C&Led. Trigger always leaves something to be desired, and there is a small issue with slide stops breaking. Magazines are somewhat expensive.

The Beretta can't be C&Led, has slide-mounted controls which can be strange. Its trigger can be greatly improved with a $5 spring, magazines are cheap, and its pretty easy to work on.

While I think the CZ-75 is a great handgun, its current pricing is a bit too expensive IMO.

I'd recommend the Beretta over the CZ, but the CZ isn't a bad choice.

try handling them and see where you stand then.

I love my Beretta 92FS But yeah go pick up both pistols and see how they feel, pistols are a very personal preference.

Check out the sp 01 shadow version of the cz75. Makes the  standard 75, and the 92 seem  clunky and cheap.

CZ 75  all the way.  22 conversion it is top quality.

If you go Beretta, which would be my pick BTW, consider:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=219518361

Can be found for about $75 less than this but this one had a nice pic.  

I was faced with the same decision over a year ago. I wanted a full size, metal frame 9mm mostly for the range. I found a new beretta and a new CZ75 for about the same price. Actually the CZ was less than $50 cheaper if I remember correctly. Anyway I went with the CZ and love the pistol except for the omega trigger. Have never had a problem but too many reports of problems for my comfort. Anyway, if you go with the CZ just make sure to get the standard trigger.

That said, I think if I had to do it over I would go with the beretta simply due to the cheaper and more readily available mags and parts.

If you go with the CZ, get the CZ-75SA. The trigger is MUCH better than their TDA version.

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The 92FS trigger is now plastic-covered metal which eliminates the option of the Wolff trigger return spring unit. If you drop in a metal trigger along with said Wolff unit & a reduced power mainspring, you have an instant trigger job you can do yourself.

I've got 3 92's & love them all dearly & I have two CZ's & love them as well. However, both of my CZ's are single actions due to the better trigger.

My .o2

I own both, bought the 92FS first

they're both decent pistols, but I shoot better with the 75. Usually when I go to the range the 75 goes with

I've owned two of each - a standard and a compact.  I've had more experience with the full size 92FS.  None of them have ever had a failure that I can recall.

I will give the edge to Beretta in fit and finish - they are typically very well executed.  However, the CZ's have been more accurate.  Also, if it's a range gun, the CZ gives you a few more options than a stock Beretta.  The stock front sight on the 92 is integral with the slide.  Having any changes made will run $$.  The CZ front sight is dovetailed, and aftermarkets are available in night sights as well as fiber optic.

Ergonomically, the CZ fits my hand a bit better than the 92.  The grips are very similar, though.

I prefer the CZ over the 92.

Recently I bought a 92 over a CZ, but my only reason was because I want more practice with the beretta. I'm miltary and deployinh soon and, while I've fired tens of thousands of rounds through a Glock I've only fired a few hundred through a beretta.

I prefer the CZ for hand-feel and the fact that I shoot it much better.
Somehow, and no one has been able to figure out what I'm doing... I stovepipe 92s pretty regularly unless I consciously limp wrist it.

I really want to like the 92, but they just don't like me.. Oddly, I can take a supposed "jam-o-matic" 1911 and run it all day with nary a bobble.

To each their own, I know the US Mil chose the M9 for a reason... Thank God I don't rely on one to keep myself alive. . Choose what fits you best and behaves best in your hands.

I was inyour position a few months back.
I was looking at a full size range pistol also.
I ended up going with a CZ 85 and love it.
It feels much better in my hand and the beretta felt big.

Beretta 92FS bar none

My hands are wide but shorter, I'm sure as hell no piano player. I love the way smaller pistols fit my hand and feel, but I don't shoot them nearly as well. The Beretta was not really to my liking until I bought one. It either just plane shoots that great, or I just shoot that great with it.


BTW- It is a used G model with all metal parts, night sights, and no pesky safety to worry about like the FS. In decent shape it was under $400.

I want to thank all of you for your posts. I'm leaning towards the CZ but I think I would be happy with either.

If you don't mind my asking, what draws you to the CZ?

I would go with the CZ, but that's personal opinion. Full disclosure, I'm a big CZ fan. 90% of my collection is CZ.

What I don't like about the Beretta is it just feels clunky to me. It's too big for the weight and I don't like the way it balances. I don't like the slide mounted safety/decocker either.

Had a 92fs, great gun. Reliable, accurate. Good looking to boot.
Just traded it in for a Glock 17. The slide mounted safety was a deal breaker in the end.
Range only? Either would be fine, but my vote would be the CZ.

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Uhmmm, the Beretta uses a slide mounted safety. The Taurus uses the frame mount.

Yeah, sorry, I meant slide mounted, not frame mounted.

Based on my love for CZs, you know that was just a slip-up.

I can't understand the utter dislike for slide-mounted controls.

I bought into the hatred when I only had a CZ-75B, and then I eventually got into Berettas.

You really don't need a safety on DA handguns (see 92G, CZ-75BD, Revolvers), and the only other time you "need" it is to decock.

For me it was the way I racked the slide.
Overhand at the rear of the slide, over the site & not covering the ejection port.
Had a tendency to activate the safety.
If it was de-cock only model I could live with it.

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Beretta is a very nice gun out of the box, one of my favorites.  If you want a target gun/range gun, Id say get a 75, and get the competition hammer and SAO trigger from czcustom.  for under $100, you can turn it into a competition grade gun, takes the trigger from marginal, to one of the nicest triggers you can have on a pistol.  Both guns are about equal in regards to comfort/feel IMO.  I think the beretta is thicker all over though, including the grip.  CZ is generally $100 cheaper than beretta92.

You can do a trigger job on a Beretta for $5 with a D spring or Competition Hammer Spring which takes 5 minutes.

Plus CZ-75Bs are about $500 while Beretta 92FSs are about $550.

I'm not ragging on the CZ since I do like them. I just don't think they are a good value anymore. Back when they were $350-$400 NIB they were the best pistol money could buy IMO. However their current price point is putting them against Glocks, M&Ps, XDs, Berettas, and FNs. Plus there are the clones which tend to be cheaper.

There's not much more I can add about the CZ, but I will say you may want to find a *used* 75b/bd as the trigger will be a lot better than new.  I shoot my BD with good effect in IDPA.

The Beretta just feels like a chunky butt for the caliber/capacity it shoots.  Grip is much too large.

I would put a CZ up against any Glock, XD, M&P or FN eight days a week. In fact, I do this regularly when I shoot my CZ in USPSA matches. It takes backseat to no other brand short of the upper tier handguns such as H&K, Les Baer, Wilson Combat, etc.

Yep.

The CZ prices of yesterday were way below their true value. They were giving them away. I would say prices have only just caught up.

Like 'em both but ended up with three CZs.   Have a 97, 9mm 75 and a 40S&W 75 SAO.

But I like my Hi Powers even better.

Meh

Just don't think of them as on the level as Glocks, M&Ps, and especially Berettas after owning them.

Of course, YMMV.

Those were my final two choices for a full size 9mm non-plastic pistol as well.

It came down to putting hands on both and seeing which one fit my hand better.

CZ 75 SP-01...

From Pistol Training.com:  "Zed Is Not Your Friend"

Todd Green,  "As an instructor, I strive to be a good student. Good students are always learning. And last week in Canada, I learned that CZ pistols (pronounced “see zed” in Canadiese) are as reliable as a Ford.  A Ford Pinto, that is."

You can read  the full story here:

http://pistol-training.com/archives/3218

I would not worry about using either for a defensive gun.  The CZ is a reliable time proven and tested design.

I had 2 CZ-75's:  very poor fit and finish.  Worst trigger of any tda firearm by a mile.  Both of mine had numerous FTE issues.  Gone and do not miss them at all.

I have 3 Beretta handguns:  92G, 92G Compact, and 8000G Cougar.  All IMO are an entire league of quality above any CZ.  However, if you've got little hands, the CZ's ergos would indeed be more appealing.

I've never heard of that reputation. In fact in general I've heard the opposite.

I kind of wonder if something is up with the claims made in that article. I don't really care what the Tangfolio did. But I have a hard time believing that three CZ pistols were having that many constant issues. But even if so, as he states at the end of the article, there are plenty of people out there that have experienced the opposite. I myself have personally had several times the number of malfunctions with Glocks that I've ever had with CZs, and my CZ experience dwarfs my Glock experience.

I took my CZ SP01 to a Magpul pistol course and didn't have problems that weren't caused by me using my under powered reloads.  3 days and 2k+ rounds I got about half a dozen stove pipes but I knew I would have that problem going into it.  I should have put a lower powered recoil spring but I didn't bother.  I didn't clean it either.  I got good at clearing stove pipes

I'd agree from the box the 75B series have pretty crappy triggers while the trigger on the 92FS is much better straight from the box.  That said all my handguns minus the Colt revolver has work done on them.

I went with the Beretta (M9) just last week mainly due to the fact that i eventually want one of the PCC's (cX4 i think).

Mags are interchangeable between the carbine and the handgun.

The cz and the beretta seemed very close on their own to me.

Well, we all know what opinions are like, eh?

As for reliability, I've got thousands of rds of 9mm thru my CZ without a hiccup & look forward to many thousands more.

Anyone who compares a CZ to a Ford Pinto is an idiot at best & most likely a borderline retard.  

im sure the author reported what happened, but what put him in the BS dump for me is that he didnt investigate into WHY.   from the other replys and people that WERE there, it appears he left out some if not important info.

I remember when the Todd Green article first appeared on Pistol Training and the controversy it caused.

To be honest I had never heard any issues with CZ pistols before this and like most had assumed they were rock solid.  

In my observation, the majority of owners that jumped to CZ's defense are often vague about their usage with the pistol.  "Thousands of rounds without issue!!!!!".  Several thousand rounds, with regular cleanings between shooting sessions is in fact no big deal at all concerning auto pistol reliability.  Fire 200 rounds, clean and oil, Fire 200 rounds, clean and oil, etc. etc. if your pistol cannot do this without issue for several thousand rounds then their might be something wrong with it.

Granted the majority of CZ75 owners, like myself, really don't shoot them all that much in comparison to someone like Todd Green.

Go read through his HK45 endurance test.  Shooting 2000+ rounds in a week isn't uncommon.  And neither is going upwards of 10,000+ rounds without cleaning.

That being said Todd Green and his "followers" bought into the idea that CZ's aren't reliable yet they didn't provide the most important thing.  Actual real testing and numbers.  Which is someone that they tend to hold in the highest regard.  Saying that "In my classes CZ's tend to malfunction more" is a vague statement and offers nothing in terms of real evidence that people can look at.

I can shoot a pistol and say "It seems less accurate than a 1911"....what does that mean?  What is accurate? What are the groups? What ammo was used?  

I just have a hard time believing that CZ's aren't a quality piece when they have made over 1 million in the last 35 years.  Who keeps buying them if they don't work?

That being said...to the OP.

I would opt for the Beretta 92FS.  It is smoother in function, has a better trigger, is easier to disassemble and clean and has a cleaner appearance throughout.