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Posted: 5/29/2017 11:33:17 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/1/2017 6:46:04 PM EST by Finslayer83]
simple question.

figured someone here might know something...
Link Posted: 5/29/2017 11:38:42 AM EST
[Last Edit: 5/29/2017 11:40:50 AM EST by EdgecrusherXES]
Glock is going to play out the FS Glocks first, then make a MOS FS model, then release the carbine, then the M followed by the Gen5. Each release will come after they have sufficiently milked the market like they did with the 42/43 release.
Link Posted: 5/29/2017 11:39:56 AM EST
[Last Edit: 5/29/2017 11:41:44 AM EST by Sputnik556]
From another thread.

Originally Posted By Lancelot:
April 18 I had the Glock LE sales guy in my office. He told me federal orders will be filled first. Then LE agency orders. As an agency, if we ordered guns, it would be at least the middle of 2018.
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Link Posted: 5/29/2017 11:40:04 AM EST
[Last Edit: 5/29/2017 11:40:32 AM EST by AlphaOperator]
I'm going with what Edgecrusher said
Link Posted: 5/29/2017 12:30:08 PM EST
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Originally Posted By AlphaOperator:
I'm going with what Edgecrusher said
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Yeah....sounds right.
Link Posted: 5/30/2017 3:40:52 AM EST
Wait, I thought the 1911 was coming before the 5?!
Link Posted: 5/30/2017 12:49:46 PM EST
Link Posted: 5/30/2017 9:11:45 PM EST
I bet they could speed things up if the would just stop making the Gen 3.
Link Posted: 5/30/2017 9:20:57 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Lancelot:
The factory guys were here in April. They told me the same thing. Mid to Late 2018 at the earliest. And that was for agencies. Individual officers and everyone else might be later. They have contract obligations to meet first before they release any to anyone else. 
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My rep said essentially the same thing.
Link Posted: 6/1/2017 8:30:02 PM EST
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Originally Posted By EdgecrusherXES:
Glock is going to play out the FS Glocks first, then make a MOS FS model, then release the carbine, then the M followed by the Gen5. Each release will come after they have sufficiently milked the market like they did with the 42/43 release.
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Exactly this. Glock uses the Apple marketing method, when do you release the iPhone 8? When 95% of the population owns an iPhone 7 of course.
Link Posted: 6/2/2017 2:40:46 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Mikehikes:
I bet they could speed things up if the would just stop making the Gen 3.
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I agree.
Link Posted: 6/9/2017 7:53:09 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/9/2017 7:53:26 PM EST by call_me_ski]
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Originally Posted By m6z:
I agree.
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Originally Posted By m6z:
Originally Posted By Mikehikes:
I bet they could speed things up if the would just stop making the Gen 3.
I agree.
It is not that simple. They have contractual obligations to continue to support and deliver gen 3 guns. Furthermore, the generation 3 guns are the only pistols available in CA. The handgun roster effectively froze which new models of pistols that could be sold in 2008. So not only are they they only Glocks available, the only competition for poly striker fired guns is from SW SD9/40VE, and Springfield XD gen 1 pistols. even the M&P is gone because SW allowed it to expire without renewal.

No one would walk away from a market 50 million strong that they own.
Link Posted: 6/10/2017 2:35:55 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/10/2017 2:36:45 AM EST by Metro6]
It will probably be "debuted" at SHOT 2018, with actual dealer delivery sometime late 1st Qtr or into 2 Qtr 2018 according to my Glock contact

The Gen 3 has contractoral obligations in addition to being grandfathered into certain states
Link Posted: 7/5/2017 7:07:46 PM EST
I went with new L/E package Smith 2.0 40 cal 3 mags ,night sights sku 11519 , Glock can keep the M gun none for me . I have a gen 3 G19 night sights and 10 mags Iam good to go .
Link Posted: 7/6/2017 11:15:17 PM EST
A relative of mine working in the GA Glock office...not going to give a name or hint. But, according to my relative the M model will be agency only purchase. Not even a blue label for first respondents or individual officer purchase, let a lone LGS purchases. Seems the M model is agency purchase only. To be honest, the M model is nothing more than a M&P if you ask me...Save a few dollars and just get an M&P, you'll be just as happy and just as good if not better weapon with all the issues the M model has produced over the last year.
Link Posted: 7/7/2017 7:21:50 AM EST
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Originally Posted By army75th:
A relative of mine working in the GA Glock office...not going to give a name or hint. But, according to my relative the M model will be agency only purchase. Not even a blue label for first respondents or individual officer purchase, let a lone LGS purchases. Seems the M model is agency purchase only. To be honest, the M model is nothing more than a M&P if you ask me...Save a few dollars and just get an M&P, you'll be just as happy and just as good if not better weapon with all the issues the M model has produced over the last year.
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I was kind of thinking that as well. After getting a 2.0 9mm it does have pretty much all same features as the M model. And has turned out to be a damn fine pistol in my opinion. Maybe that's what the "M" in M2.0 stands for.
Link Posted: 7/7/2017 7:37:48 AM EST
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Originally Posted By army75th:
A relative of mine working in the GA Glock office...not going to give a name or hint. But, according to my relative the M model will be agency only purchase. Not even a blue label for first respondents or individual officer purchase, let a lone LGS purchases. Seems the M model is agency purchase only. To be honest, the M model is nothing more than a M&P if you ask me...Save a few dollars and just get an M&P, you'll be just as happy and just as good if not better weapon with all the issues the M model has produced over the last year.
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Like others have said.......for as much as I like the pistols they produce......the way they market their stuff is Apple style.  

Therefore, I don't really ever expect them to give me what I want when it's available......I expect them to throw 4 other iterations of pieces or parts of what I want.....hoping I'll buy those while I impatiently wait for the thing I really want.

What they don't realize is that I know their game, and I'm still on Gen3 guns.  I can wait.  I will wait.  I didn't buy a G42.  I did buy a 43.  
Link Posted: 7/7/2017 7:46:42 AM EST
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Originally Posted By army75th:
A relative of mine working in the GA Glock office...not going to give a name or hint. But, according to my relative the M model will be agency only purchase. Not even a blue label for first respondents or individual officer purchase, let a lone LGS purchases. Seems the M model is agency purchase only. To be honest, the M model is nothing more than a M&P if you ask me...Save a few dollars and just get an M&P, you'll be just as happy and just as good if not better weapon with all the issues the M model has produced over the last year.
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I do not know if I would go that far. Several reps have already said they are not selling them to the public yet it would probably be 2018 before they would release to the public because they are fulfilling orders to agency's. Glock is strange in how they release items but I cannot foresee Glock skipping the opportunity to make money selling something so many people want. They may not release the "M" but I could see them making a Gen5 with the M features (ambi slide stop, no finger grooves, and rounded pig nose) coupled with the new front serrations and then follow it up with a Gen5 MOS. I can foresee them keeping the M designation for LEO and then just calling the public Glock the Gen5.
Link Posted: 7/7/2017 9:09:53 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Lancelot:
The factory guys were here in April. They told me the same thing. Mid to Late 2018 at the earliest. And that was for agencies. Individual officers and everyone else might be later. They have contract obligations to meet first before they release any to anyone else. 
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What's the size of your agency & how prevalent is SIG / S&W in your area?
Link Posted: 7/7/2017 11:45:41 AM EST
So M features + MHS features +MOS +FS = Gen 5 in 2018 ?
Link Posted: 7/11/2017 4:39:45 PM EST
I may or may not have one at my house right now
Link Posted: 7/11/2017 9:24:09 PM EST
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Originally Posted By mban2:
I may or may not have one at my house right now
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So is there like a media blackout on them or something?
Link Posted: 7/11/2017 9:31:49 PM EST
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Originally Posted By unseenSNIPER:


So is there like a media blackout on them or something?
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Non-disclosure agreements
Link Posted: 7/11/2017 10:26:00 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Wangstang:


Non-disclosure agreements
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at least tell us when the NDA ends
Link Posted: 7/14/2017 7:21:10 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Wangstang:


Non-disclosure agreements
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This.
Link Posted: 7/14/2017 9:29:59 AM EST
Since SWAT magazine has had a story and pics I would think the NDA is no longer enforceable ? Also while watching a rerun of Gun Stories with Joe Mantegna the other night on Outdoor Channel he mentioned the show would be doing a segment on the FBI's new 17M and their ballistic testing in the fall. Now that the media has it why bother with an NDA ?
Link Posted: 7/14/2017 11:57:51 AM EST
[Last Edit: 7/14/2017 11:58:40 AM EST by NTXGlocker]
Glocks "mode of operandi" (operation) has always been to supply Gov/LE FIRST. This garners interest in their guns when the masses see
gov/LE using their guns.

This is how they first started marketing and continue to this day. Get the Gov/LE using them and the azzes of the masses will follow and
open their wallets. They do make a buck from these contracts, but not near the margin they get with individual sales.
Link Posted: 7/14/2017 12:58:33 PM EST
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Originally Posted By NTXGlocker:
Glocks "mode of operandi" (operation) has always been to supply Gov/LE FIRST. This garners interest in their guns when the masses see
gov/LE using their guns.

This is how they first started marketing and continue to this day. Get the Gov/LE using them and the azzes of the masses will follow and
open their wallets. They do make a buck from these contracts, but not near the margin they get with individual sales.
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+1
Link Posted: 7/14/2017 10:00:45 PM EST
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Originally Posted By mban2:
I may or may not have one at my house right now
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Attachment Attached File
Link Posted: 7/14/2017 11:48:29 PM EST
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Originally Posted By othersmaydie:
So M features + MHS features +MOS +FS = Gen 5 in 2018 ?
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2019
Link Posted: 7/19/2017 6:16:03 AM EST
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Originally Posted By BigPapaColt:
Originally Posted By mban2:
I may or may not have one at my house right now
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/208978/IMG-0471-254258.JPG
So true lol
Link Posted: 8/13/2017 4:36:30 PM EST
8/26/17
Link Posted: 8/14/2017 1:25:04 PM EST
Are the 19M's going to be part of the release?
Link Posted: 8/14/2017 2:22:29 PM EST
I can't believe photos haven't been leaked out yet. Yeah I know about NDA's but they usually don't work.
Link Posted: 8/14/2017 6:47:59 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
Are the 19M's going to be part of the release?
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they are the release. 17 and 19
Link Posted: 8/14/2017 6:48:32 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Peacekeeper3073:
I can't believe photos haven't been leaked out yet. Yeah I know about NDA's but they usually don't work.
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there are pictures all over the Internet
Link Posted: 8/14/2017 7:11:20 PM EST
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Originally Posted By PineappleDevil:
there are pictures all over the Internet
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Of the Gen 5? Or just the M? Is the M for 100% certain the exact gun as the gen 5?
Link Posted: 8/14/2017 8:59:15 PM EST
A guy on glocktalk just preordered a gen5 last week and was told he'd get it in September.
Link Posted: 8/14/2017 11:08:55 PM EST
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Originally Posted By dwcopple:
Of the Gen 5? Or just the M? Is the M for 100% certain the exact gun as the gen 5?
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Originally Posted By dwcopple:
Originally Posted By PineappleDevil:
there are pictures all over the Internet
Of the Gen 5? Or just the M? Is the M for 100% certain the exact gun as the gen 5?
Doesn't sound like the 5 is going to be exactly like the M.
Link Posted: 8/15/2017 1:56:20 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Peacekeeper3073:
Doesn't sound like the 5 is going to be exactly like the M.
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I hope they are different.

The ambi slide stop is a negative to me, and a large percentage of lefties won't even use them.

I would like to see the Gen5 be basically a "M" variant without the ambi slide-stop and add front serrations.

I would also love to see a MHS size offering (17 frame with 19 slide)... Just because
Link Posted: 8/15/2017 5:37:57 AM EST
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Originally Posted By TheMercenary:


I hope they are different.

The ambi slide stop is a negative to me, and a large percentage of lefties won't even use them.

I would like to see the Gen5 be basically a "M" variant without the ambi slide-stop and add front serrations.

I would also love to see a MHS size offering (17 frame with 19 slide)... Just because
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What's your aversion to the ambi slide stop? Have you shot one of the 17M pistols yet?
Link Posted: 8/15/2017 6:01:45 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Wangstang:
What's your aversion to the ambi slide stop? Have you shot one of the 17M pistols yet?
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No I have not. My agency went to the 17.4 before the M variants were a thing.

As for the slide stop, I have no use for it personally and find it aesthetically displeasing. Most of the lefties I know have trained on right-handed handguns for so long they don't even reverse the magazine release, much less have any use for the lefty slide stop.

YMMV
Link Posted: 8/15/2017 7:10:50 AM EST
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Originally Posted By TheMercenary:


No I have not. My agency went to the 17.4 before the M variants were a thing.

As for the slide stop, I have no use for it personally and find it aesthetically displeasing. Most of the lefties I know have trained on right-handed handguns for so long they don't even reverse the magazine release, much less have any use for the lefty slide stop.

YMMV
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The ambi mag catch is a $10 part swap if its a bother to you.

Don't know how much one handed and off hand only injured/disabled shooter operation training you've done and how much direct training you've done with lefties with smaller hands that don't have significant hand strength, but adding that ambi slide stop will help in those situations quite a bit. I think more folks will take advantage of the mag release as the instructors get used to asking more often as new employees join your agency.
Link Posted: 8/15/2017 10:14:28 AM EST
I wish the mhs model would be available.

Really just the 17 frame and 19 slide
Link Posted: 8/15/2017 10:38:29 AM EST
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Very important date...:)

TXPO
Link Posted: 8/15/2017 10:40:15 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
I wish the mhs model would be available.

Really just the 17 frame and 19 slide
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Keep wishing, and I am not being sarcastic when I say that........That's all I will say......


TXPO
Link Posted: 8/15/2017 11:35:24 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Wangstang:

Don't know how much one handed and off hand only injured/disabled shooter operation training you've done and how much direct training you've done with lefties with smaller hands that don't have significant hand strength, but adding that ambi slide stop will help in those situations quite a bit. I think more folks will take advantage of the mag release as the instructors get used to asking more often as new employees join your agency.
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This.

I'm a rightly with plenty of Glocks waiting to be replaced with Gen 5s. Left handed only manipulations are very difficult with the stock slide stop. Extended slide stops cause/prevent slide lock.
Link Posted: 8/15/2017 3:15:51 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Texaspo:


Very important date...:)

TXPO
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That date coincides with the NRA CCW show in Milwaukee I believe......
Link Posted: 8/15/2017 10:04:31 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Xhado:
I'm a rightly with plenty of Glocks waiting to be replaced with Gen 5s. Left handed only manipulations are very difficult with the stock slide stop. Extended slide stops cause/prevent slide lock.
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I never use the slide stop unless I'm locking the slide back without a magazine inserted. The "slingshot" method of releasing the slide is much more reliable and does not require the user to manipulate their grip on the pistol. (Gross motor skills > Fine motor skills) For one handed drills I use my belt.
Link Posted: 8/15/2017 11:07:03 PM EST
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What was old is new again.

It only took them 20 years to figure out we did not like finger grooves and they forgot about the undercut.

I'll take them another 20 year to figure out the undercut, but the gen 6 will include fingure grooves.
Link Posted: 8/16/2017 3:20:31 AM EST
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Originally Posted By TheMercenary:


I never use the slide stop unless I'm locking the slide back without a magazine inserted. The "slingshot" method of releasing the slide is much more reliable and does not require the user to manipulate their grip on the pistol. (Gross motor skills > Fine motor skills) For one handed drills I use my belt.
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Brruuuhhhhhhhh

Manipulating the slide stop shouldn't require compromising your master grip on the pistol. This can be done via the addition of an extended slide stop or pressing the slide stop with your support hand thumb. Don't by into the Gross/Fine skill hype.
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