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Posted: 8/6/2005 2:39:17 PM EDT
I saw it in a gun magazine at the store, they said it is affiliated with Century Arms International, it said they start at $299 for a standerd mil-spec. G.I. model. I'd buy 1 or 2 right now if I knew where to get them, but no one's heard of them around here yet.
Link Posted: 8/6/2005 3:27:21 PM EDT
Be wary about the quality of anything from CAI.
Link Posted: 8/6/2005 3:32:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/6/2005 3:34:25 PM EDT by _DR]
They are made in the Philipines - website here.

Probably about the same quality as Rock Island Armory 1911s, also made in the Philippines, as are Charles Daly 1911s. Lots of cast parts. Century markets them, that's all. They have no hand in production, just importers. There are reviews and discussions on the Charles Daly and RIA .45s if you want to see what kind of pistols are made in the Philippines. I've never had one, so can't state an opinion. I doubt they could be worse than the Llama 1911 I had.
Link Posted: 8/6/2005 4:13:21 PM EDT
My Rock Island Armory has been excellent after about 700 rds of use. It has been reliable and accurate. My only complaint is that they followed the specs on the 1911 so well that I get my web pinched if I forget to bring a band-aid along to the range. I paid $269 at the gunshow a year ago and it was money well spent.
Link Posted: 8/6/2005 4:23:54 PM EDT
I bet it's still better than a Llama
Link Posted: 8/6/2005 5:30:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Dusty_C:
I bet it's still better than a Llama



Damn Llama was a jam-O-matic, from the minute it left the box.
Actually they have been making 1911s in the PI since WWII, quite a large arms industry there.

Link Posted: 8/6/2005 8:25:56 PM EDT
See, I'm the kind of person who likes to tinker, I bought a Llama Mini-Max from Wal-Mart in '98/'99 (before they quit selling hand guns), it was a jam-o-matic indeed, the only gun I've ever seen that could fire a round, then get the brass back into the chamber backwards!!!!!!!!!!!!I noticed marks on the brass, the chamber had deep machine marks in it, I went over it with a dremmel to polish it, feed ramped it, now it runs as well as my Springfield, no kidding!
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 12:01:36 AM EDT
I looked at one at my local store and was not that impressed. They wanted about $335 or so for it and they only wanted about $400 for a SA GI. I will take the G.I. any day. It is just my opinion though. It just did not seem to fit together that well.
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 3:36:21 AM EDT
It's rather scary that there are people that buy these pistols and trust them with their lives.
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 5:37:14 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/7/2005 5:39:08 AM EDT by _DR]

Originally Posted By Lollypop_69:
See, I'm the kind of person who likes to tinker, I bought a Llama Mini-Max from Wal-Mart in '98/'99 (before they quit selling hand guns), it was a jam-o-matic indeed, the only gun I've ever seen that could fire a round, then get the brass back into the chamber backwards!!!!!!!!!!!!
I noticed marks on the brass, the chamber had deep machine marks in it, I went over it with a dremmel to polish it, feed ramped it, now it runs as well as my Springfield, no kidding!



And I hate people like you, the ones that turn lemons into bargain gems! I don't have the patience. Such a simple fix, too, but you have to be to deduce what it happening.

This funny as hell:

the only gun I've ever seen that could fire a round, then get the brass back into the chamber backwards!!!!!!!!!!!!


Link Posted: 8/7/2005 7:21:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/7/2005 7:23:37 PM EDT by blackta6]

Originally Posted By effinNewGuy:
It's rather scary that there are people that buy these pistols and trust them with their lives.



Ever been in the military? Just think about that the contract winner is always the lowest bidder! I felt great in the fact that my vest was made by the lowest bidder!


I own a Charles Daly, I may have paid a little too much up front, but now I would trust it as well as my Beretta. I have replaced all of the internal parts.
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 7:34:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Lollypop_69:
it said they start at $299 for a standerd mil-spec. my nuts G.I. model. .




Century also has a link to "colt" rifles which directs you to a Cali-legal AR knockoff (VAR or some such nonsense). I believe the 10-rd fixed mag "VAR" to be as much a Colt rifle as much as I believe those "V1911s" to be mil-spec.

If you buy a Corvette for $8,000 expect problems. That's exponentially true for firearms.
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 8:31:21 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 4:44:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/18/2005 10:49:59 AM EDT by effinNewGuy]

Originally Posted By blackta6:

Originally Posted By effinNewGuy:
It's rather scary that there are people that buy these pistols and trust them with their lives.



Ever been in the military? Just think about that the contract winner is always the lowest bidder! I felt great in the fact that my vest was made by the lowest bidder!


I own a Charles Daly, I may have paid a little too much up front, but now I would trust it as well as my Beretta. I have replaced all of the internal parts.



I am retired from the military. 21 years and so many months of faithful and loyal service. Although I don't see what that has to do with this. With regards to your statement about the lowest bidder getting the contract, and that somehow THAT is a bad thing, don't forget that there are military specifications, stringent military specifications that even the lowest bidder MUST follow. So your subtle hint about the lowest bidder being subpar, really, as a debating point, has no validity.

About your Charles Daly... Funny thing, but you said you might have paid too much for it, but trust it now as well as your Beretta.... Is this before or after you changed all the internal parts??? Would you have trusted it as much before the major surgery??
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 6:48:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By kpel308:
If Shooters Arms is made by Armscor, like the Charles Daly and Rock River Island, then I'd guess it is mil-spec, as Armscor is the issue .45 for the AFP (Armed Forces of the Philippines).

One thing about the Armscor pistols: The closer they are to plain vanilla, it seems, the better they work.

Not everyone can afford an Ed Brown, but at least these don't have the ejector epoxied in!


If I could find Rock River 1911's for the price of Rock Island's, I'd be a happy man.
Link Posted: 8/9/2005 8:35:52 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/9/2005 12:53:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By effinNewGuy:
About your Charles Daly... Funny thing, but you said you might have paid too much for it, but trust it now as well as your Beretta.... Is this before or after you changed all the internal parts??? Would you have trusted it as much before the major surgery??



Yes, the parts had to be replaced due to it going F/A. It hasn't had any other problems. I say I may have paid too much due to lack of knowledge. I still didn't pay over $400 for it.
Link Posted: 8/9/2005 1:05:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By blackta6:

Originally Posted By effinNewGuy:
About your Charles Daly... Funny thing, but you said you might have paid too much for it, but trust it now as well as your Beretta.... Is this before or after you changed all the internal parts??? Would you have trusted it as much before the major surgery??



Yes, the parts had to be replaced due to it going F/A. It hasn't had any other problems. I say I may have paid too much due to lack of knowledge. I still didn't pay over $400 for it.





And now we go full circle regarding my original statement: It's rather scary that there are people that buy these pistols and trust them with their lives.
Link Posted: 8/9/2005 7:23:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/9/2005 7:25:50 PM EDT by blackta6]
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Link Posted: 8/9/2005 10:29:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By _DR:

Actually they have been making 1911s in the PI since WWII, quite a large arms industry there.




which is funny as hell as PI's govt HEAVILY restircts guns over there
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