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Posted: 1/21/2011 9:43:18 AM EDT

So my mind was a-tickin' today. I was looking at the 25 ACP round, and thought it was cute. I looked into guns that take it, but all of them seem to be pocket pistols.

I was thinking, what if you made a super lightweight 1911 that was chambered in 25ACP? You could probably get away with a polymer frame & slide due to the low presure and low power of the round. You would probablly also need a light recoil spring. The body is straight walled, or close enough, so a double stack mag would probably work, and you could probably get 20+ rounds into it. There may be a little issue with the fact that the rim is larger then the body, but if you make the stack "leaning" forward towards the barrel in the mag, it might work.

It obviously would be a plinking gun / fun range toy.

What do you guys think?

Posted: 1/21/2011 9:47:31 AM EDT

[#1]

It might work but....... not many people like the 25acp round. Almost nobody is going to use it for self defense. As a plinker, a .22 caliber conversion seems like the better choice.

Posted: 1/21/2011 9:50:07 AM EDT

[#2]

I don't think there would be much demand except from the guys who want to collect all 1911 calibres.

Posted: 1/21/2011 9:50:10 AM EDT

[#3]

I was thinking range toy only. Polymer frame & slide would cut the cost severly. The 25 ACP may have an advantage over the 22LR because of consistancy and cleaner ammo. I do agree 22LR is more popular and cheaper. I am also not a fan of the current mags that take the 22LR, peticularry the Ruger stamped steel mags. They may work, but I dont like them.

Posted: 1/21/2011 10:04:35 AM EDT

[#4]

After seeing the Mossberg chainsaw, the new S&W knockoff of the taurus Judge, and Taurus's own lever action revolver carbine chambered in .410 I say "fuck it!" Why not?

ETA: I think it would add nothing essentially. 25 ACP ammo is more expensive and does nothing for a plinking or range gun that .22LR does not already do, and do in a whole host of proven, accurate, quality .22 target pistols. But hey poeple are out there buying a whole host of silly guns, so you never know.

The only problem with .22 consistency is with the cheapre ammo. Cheap 22 ammo is not very consistent because people don't demand it for most applications. The good ammo is very consistent.

Posted: 1/21/2011 10:16:12 AM EDT

[#5]

Quoted:
After seeing the Mossberg chainsaw, the new S&W knockoff of the taurus Judge, and Taurus's own lever action revolver carbine chambered in .410 I say "fuck it!" Why not?

ETA: I think it would add nothing essentially. 25 ACP ammo is more expensive and does nothing for a plinking or range gun that .22LR does not already do, and do in a whole host of proven, accurate, quality .22 target pistols. But hey poeple are out there buying a whole host of silly guns, so you never know.

The only problem with .22 consistency is with the cheapre ammo. Cheap 22 ammo is not very consistent because people don't demand it for most applications. The good ammo is very consistent.

This is true. The better ammo is more consistant.

I also see the velocity is pretty low (below 1000 fps), meaning that most ammo would be subsonic and quieter. Could be useful for a suppressor host.

Posted: 1/21/2011 12:36:09 PM EDT

[#6]

They had one. It's called the Colt Jr. / Astra cub.

Posted: 1/21/2011 3:12:38 PM EDT

[#7]

.25ACP would actually be a pretty fun plinker if it weren't expensive as all hell.

Posted: 1/21/2011 3:31:39 PM EDT

[#8]

Rather than .25acp, why not .32acp? Still low pressured enough for blowback op & FMJ isn't too expensive.

Posted: 1/21/2011 3:41:09 PM EDT

[#9]

I went a different direction when I saw the title.

I was thinking more like a half sized 1911 in .25ACP. That might make a pretty neat little paperweight, or pocket pistol.

Posted: 1/21/2011 4:43:24 PM EDT

[#10]

Basically, what I'm trying to get at, is a super-lightweight, medium to full size gun in 25 ACP, with a high ammo capacity. That was the whole idea behind my concept. Kinda similar to the PMR-30

Posted: 1/21/2011 4:58:48 PM EDT

[#11]

Be advised....

Me and Col. Jeff Cooper and enroute to your location, to kick yer butt.

WTF

Posted: 1/22/2011 11:22:42 AM EDT

[#12]

Llama made a small frame 1911 style pistol in 22 LR, 380 ACP, 32 ACP and IIRC 25 ACP. I've shot the 22 LR and 380 ACP llama and wish I had a 22 LR. Browning just brought out two new 1911 pistols in 22 LR and one pistol is reduced in size and may be close to the size of the original llama 1911 micro.

Posted: 1/22/2011 1:06:15 PM EDT

[#13]

My local shot has a pretty neat looking one. Looks like someone took a 1911 and shrunk it in half. Cool little pocket pistol. Can't recall the manufacturer or the caliber, but it was somewhere between a .25 ACP and a .380.

Posted: 1/22/2011 3:28:53 PM EDT

[#14]

Try 25NAA or 32NAA or 762x25

Posted: 1/22/2011 3:33:06 PM EDT

[#15]

A polymer slide? I doubt it. Maybe aluminium at most, but I doubt that too.

Posted: 1/24/2011 6:44:54 AM EDT

[#16]

I think you guys are mis-interpriting my post. I am not looking for a "1911 in 25ACP". The idea I had was for a full size handgun (pick your base gun, Glock, HK, Sig, etc.), chambered in 25 ACP for a fun alternative to the 22LR.

I have yet to see a full size gun chambered in this round, that is what I am looking for, not a 1911 style pocket gun in 25ACP

Thanks

Posted: 1/24/2011 6:06:39 PM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:

I think you guys are mis-interpriting my post. I am not looking for a "1911 in 25ACP". The idea I had was for a full size handgun (pick your base gun, Glock, HK, Sig, etc.), chambered in 25 ACP for a fun alternative to the 22LR.

I have yet to see a full size gun chambered in this round, that is what I am looking for, not a 1911 style pocket gun in 25ACP

Thanks

If you think about it, there is a reason no one has built this dream gun of yours in all these years we have had the .25 ACP cartridge. Now, stop and think about it.

Posted: 1/24/2011 6:38:17 PM EDT

[#18]

someone round here did a badass 7.62x25 1911.

it was wicked

Posted: 1/25/2011 8:32:07 AM EDT

[#19]

Ammo is hard to find, expensive, and ballestically anemic. Other than that, sure why not.

Posted: 1/26/2011 8:59:23 AM EDT

[#20]

Quoted:
It might work but....... not many people like the 25acp round. Almost nobody is going to use it for self defense. As a plinker, a .22 caliber conversion seems like the better choice.

+1, 25 acp is almost double 9mm cost wise, 9mm is a serious round, and in a 1911 has light recoil. I dont get the point of a 25 acp.

Posted: 1/29/2011 1:31:55 PM EDT

[#21]

Quoted:
After seeing the Mossberg chainsaw, the new S&W knockoff of the taurus Judge, and Taurus's own lever action revolver carbine chambered in .410 I say "fuck it!" Why not?

ETA: I think it would add nothing essentially. 25 ACP ammo is more expensive and does nothing for a plinking or range gun that .22LR does not already do, and do in a whole host of proven, accurate, quality .22 target pistols. But hey poeple are out there buying a whole host of silly guns, so you never know.

The only problem with .22 consistency is with the cheapre ammo. Cheap 22 ammo is not very consistent because people don't demand it for most applications. The good ammo is very consistent.

Couldn't have said it better myself.
If you built a gun to hold 20 rounds of .25 in a 1911 model set up, it just makes sense to me to carry a 1911 in .45

Posted: 1/29/2011 1:47:44 PM EDT

[#22]

Quoted:

Quoted:

After seeing the Mossberg chainsaw, the new S&W knockoff of the taurus Judge, and Taurus's own lever action revolver carbine chambered in .410 I say "fuck it!" Why not?

ETA: I think it would add nothing essentially. 25 ACP ammo is more expensive and does nothing for a plinking or range gun that .22LR does not already do, and do in a whole host of proven, accurate, quality .22 target pistols. But hey poeple are out there buying a whole host of silly guns, so you never know.

The only problem with .22 consistency is with the cheapre ammo. Cheap 22 ammo is not very consistent because people don't demand it for most applications. The good ammo is very consistent.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

If you built a gun to hold 20 rounds of .25 in a 1911 model set up, it just makes sense to me to carry a 1911 in .45

When you consider how few actual hits you are going to get in a real armed encounter, this makes sense.

Posted: 1/29/2011 11:44:48 PM EDT

[#23]

Quoted:

Quoted:
After seeing the Mossberg chainsaw, the new S&W knockoff of the taurus Judge, and Taurus's own lever action revolver carbine chambered in .410 I say "fuck it!" Why not?

ETA: I think it would add nothing essentially. 25 ACP ammo is more expensive and does nothing for a plinking or range gun that .22LR does not already do, and do in a whole host of proven, accurate, quality .22 target pistols. But hey poeple are out there buying a whole host of silly guns, so you never know.

The only problem with .22 consistency is with the cheapre ammo. Cheap 22 ammo is not very consistent because people don't demand it for most applications. The good ammo is very consistent.

Couldn't have said it better myself.
If you built a gun to hold 20 rounds of .25 in a 1911 model set up, it just makes sense to me to carry a 1911 in .45

When you consider how few actual hits you are going to get in a real armed encounter, this makes sense.

I cant tell if you are advocating the .45 or the .25

but I could not suggest anyone to carry a gun that will not reliably reach vitals, especially in a full sized handgun(pocket pistols make sense though). If you were gonna use a .25 1911, youd be better served with a FiveseveN. Now a 9mm 1911, doublestack in a standard or *slightly* larger frame is a great idea, I think STI makes them but not exactly sure on frame size or mag type.

Posted: 1/30/2011 2:20:08 AM EDT

[#24]

Quoted:
Llama made a small frame 1911 style pistol in 22 LR, 380 ACP, 32 ACP and IIRC 25 ACP. I've shot the 22 LR and 380 ACP llama and wish I had a 22 LR. Browning just brought out two new 1911 pistols in 22 LR and one pistol is reduced in size and may be close to the size of the original llama 1911 micro.

Llama model XA in .32 ACP; fixed barrel, blowback operation.

They were produced in .380, with a locked barrel with link, and .22 Lr blowback as well.

I love this little gun; it has been super reliable and acceptably accurate for what it is.

Posted: 1/30/2011 6:24:30 AM EDT

[#25]

Quoted:
.25ACP would actually be a pretty fun plinker if it weren't expensive as all hell.

And a real PITA to reload.

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