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Posted: 8/11/2023 12:23:55 AM EDT
Has anybody been carrying and using the Glock Performance Trigger?

Considering trying it out on my carry gun but haven't talked to anyone who is using it yet.

Anyone have any feedback on if it's safe and reliable?

Thanks

ETA: I personally do not care about legal issues around modifying carry firearms, just concerned with the safety and performance of the trigger.
VP
Link Posted: 8/11/2023 12:27:44 AM EDT
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Couple of months now.  So far so good
Link Posted: 8/11/2023 1:49:19 AM EDT
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I wouldn't advise it. Taking away one of the 3 safeties to get a better trigger is not worth the gain of a lighter pull with a defensive pistol. Some may argue you'll be more accurate with a lighter pull, but I can  guarantee you you're not going to know the difference between a 2.5lb vs a 5lb pull in a high stress scenario. Also the prosecuting DA is going say your unsafe lightened trigger's only purpose is to spray as many bullets as possible into the poor, misguided, strung out druggie who was only wanting to car jack/rob because he was hungry.
Link Posted: 8/11/2023 2:27:19 AM EDT
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I wouldn't advise it. Taking away one of the 3 safeties to get a better trigger is not worth the gain of a lighter pull with a defensive pistol. Some may argue you'll be more accurate with a lighter pull, but I can  guarantee you you're not going to know the difference between a 2.5lb vs a 5lb pull in a high stress scenario. Also the prosecuting DA is going say your unsafe lightened trigger's only purpose is to spray as many bullets as possible into the poor, misguided, strung out druggie who was only wanting to car jack/rob because he was hungry.
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The Glock Performance Trigger maintains all Glock safeties.  The Timney is iffy on it.

I've been carrying mine since shortly after they came out.  Zero issues so far.
Link Posted: 8/11/2023 4:48:10 AM EDT
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I have one on a Glock 19 mos and it seems good to go !
Link Posted: 8/11/2023 6:33:42 AM EDT
[#5]
Out of the box was too light for me to consider it.

I replaced the dot connector with a standard connector to increase the pull weight and threw it in a G19.  

I ended up really liking that set up and have been carrying with that set up for several months without any worries.
Link Posted: 8/11/2023 8:34:11 AM EDT
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Got two installed when first released. Also replaced the dot connector with a regular one for a more defined wall.
No issues on issued 45 or personal 45.
Link Posted: 8/11/2023 9:09:21 AM EDT
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The Glock Performance Trigger maintains all Glock safeties.  The Timney is iffy on it.

I've been carrying mine since shortly after they came out.  Zero issues so far.
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I wouldn't advise it. Taking away one of the 3 safeties to get a better trigger is not worth the gain of a lighter pull with a defensive pistol. Some may argue you'll be more accurate with a lighter pull, but I can  guarantee you you're not going to know the difference between a 2.5lb vs a 5lb pull in a high stress scenario. Also the prosecuting DA is going say your unsafe lightened trigger's only purpose is to spray as many bullets as possible into the poor, misguided, strung out druggie who was only wanting to car jack/rob because he was hungry.


The Glock Performance Trigger maintains all Glock safeties.  The Timney is iffy on it.

I've been carrying mine since shortly after they came out.  Zero issues so far.


There are 3 safeties on a Glock: 1) Trigger block, 2) Striker pin plunger block, 3) The striker is not fully cocked. The Glock performance trigger as well as the Timney both eliminate the striker safety by fully cocking the striker, so unless I'm missing something it does eliminate one of the 3 Glock safeties.
Link Posted: 8/11/2023 9:23:08 AM EDT
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I have one in my G45 duty pistol on my hip right now.  I change out the dot connector on mine as well to the standard OEM connector, as I prefer a more distinct wall compared to the "."/Dot connector.  I get a consistent 4.3 pull every time with it.  

The GPT does not defeat any of the safeties in the Glock.  Has been 100% reliable and the only complain I have is the trigger shoe is a bit wide for me, front to back.  That's a personal thing and other than that they work as intended.




TXPO
Link Posted: 8/11/2023 9:48:49 AM EDT
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There are 3 safeties on a Glock: 1) Trigger block, 2) Striker pin plunger block, 3) The striker is not fully cocked. The Glock performance trigger as well as the Timney both eliminate the striker safety by fully cocking the striker, so unless I'm missing something it does eliminate one of the 3 Glock safeties.
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I wouldn't advise it. Taking away one of the 3 safeties to get a better trigger is not worth the gain of a lighter pull with a defensive pistol. Some may argue you'll be more accurate with a lighter pull, but I can  guarantee you you're not going to know the difference between a 2.5lb vs a 5lb pull in a high stress scenario. Also the prosecuting DA is going say your unsafe lightened trigger's only purpose is to spray as many bullets as possible into the poor, misguided, strung out druggie who was only wanting to car jack/rob because he was hungry.


The Glock Performance Trigger maintains all Glock safeties.  The Timney is iffy on it.

I've been carrying mine since shortly after they came out.  Zero issues so far.


There are 3 safeties on a Glock: 1) Trigger block, 2) Striker pin plunger block, 3) The striker is not fully cocked. The Glock performance trigger as well as the Timney both eliminate the striker safety by fully cocking the striker, so unless I'm missing something it does eliminate one of the 3 Glock safeties.

This is true. You loose the "double action" type safety aspect.

That being said most other striker fired guns are fully "cocked". That's why they usually had a better trigger out of the box compared to Glock.
Link Posted: 8/11/2023 10:20:31 AM EDT
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This is not correct.

The safeties include:
1) The Trigger safety lever
2) The Firing pin safety
3) the Drop Safety.  With the GPT the cruciform shape is slightly modified at the rear of the trigger bar, but the trigger bar still rests on the drop safety shelf located in the trigger mechanism housing.

Thus all these safeties remain intact with the GPT.
Link Posted: 8/11/2023 12:19:21 PM EDT
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This is not correct.

The safeties include:
1) The Trigger safety lever
2) The Firing pin safety
3) the Drop Safety.  With the GPT the cruciform shape is slightly modified at the rear of the trigger bar, but the trigger bar still rests on the drop safety shelf located in the trigger mechanism housing.

Thus all these safeties remain intact with the GPT.
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From my understanding the GPT utilizes a "pre cocked trigger" and the standard drop safe Glock design uses a partial cocked trigger. How does that not eliminate that safety feature?
Link Posted: 8/11/2023 12:40:20 PM EDT
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This is not correct.

The safeties include:
1) The Trigger safety lever
2) The Firing pin safety
3) the Drop Safety.  With the GPT the cruciform shape is slightly modified at the rear of the trigger bar, but the trigger bar still rests on the drop safety shelf located in the trigger mechanism housing.

Thus all these safeties remain intact with the GPT.
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There are 3 safeties on a Glock: 1) Trigger block, 2) Striker pin plunger block, 3) The striker is not fully cocked.

This is not correct.

The safeties include:
1) The Trigger safety lever
2) The Firing pin safety
3) the Drop Safety.  With the GPT the cruciform shape is slightly modified at the rear of the trigger bar, but the trigger bar still rests on the drop safety shelf located in the trigger mechanism housing.

Thus all these safeties remain intact with the GPT.


Thank you, took the post right out of my head.

Whether or not the Firing Pin is fully or partially cocked is not considered to be one of the safety mechanisms.

The Trigger Safety (the lever in the middle of the trigger) keeps the trigger from moving initially during a drop, and keeps protrusions on the side from moving the trigger.

The Firing Pin Safety is the spring-loaded plunger in the slide that blocks Firing Pin movement until the uppermost extension of the Trigger Bar disengages it.

The Drop Safety is a ledge in the Trigger Housing that prevents the rear cruciform part of the Trigger Bar from being able to move down, thereby disengaging the lug of the Firing Pin, when the Trigger Bar is in the forward position.

Link Posted: 8/11/2023 1:00:24 PM EDT
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I have one in my G45 duty pistol on my hip right now.  I change out the dot connector on mine as well to the standard OEM connector, as I prefer a more distinct wall compared to the "."/Dot connector.  I get a consistent 4.3 pull every time with it.  

The GPT does not defeat any of the safeties in the Glock.  Has been 100% reliable and the only complain I have is the trigger shoe is a bit wide for me, front to back.  That's a personal thing and other than that they work as intended.




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Yeah the main complaint I've heard is the trigger shoe.

You can swap that out without affecting function and safety, right?

Was eyeballing that Tyrant shoe

https://www.tyrantcnc.com/i-t-t-s-glock-compatible-trigger-gen-5.html
Link Posted: 8/11/2023 11:12:52 PM EDT
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From my understanding the GPT utilizes a "pre cocked trigger" and the standard drop safe Glock design uses a partial cocked trigger. How does that not eliminate that safety feature?
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This is not correct.

The safeties include:
1) The Trigger safety lever
2) The Firing pin safety
3) the Drop Safety.  With the GPT the cruciform shape is slightly modified at the rear of the trigger bar, but the trigger bar still rests on the drop safety shelf located in the trigger mechanism housing.

Thus all these safeties remain intact with the GPT.

From my understanding the GPT utilizes a "pre cocked trigger" and the standard drop safe Glock design uses a partial cocked trigger. How does that not eliminate that safety feature?

The partially cocked firing pin is not a GLOCK safety. The GLOCK has three safeties as the previous poster stated: trigger safety, firing pin safety, drop shelf safety.

https://us.glock.com/en/learn/glock-pistols/safe-action-system


Link Posted: 8/12/2023 2:59:27 AM EDT
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The partially cocked firing pin is not a GLOCK safety. The GLOCK has three safeties as the previous poster stated: trigger safety, firing pin safety, drop shelf safety.

https://us.glock.com/en/learn/glock-pistols/safe-action-system

https://us.glock.com/-/media/Global/US/old/US-Site/212-Safe-Action/SafeAction-famousfour-Sketch4.ashx
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Thanks for the clarification
Link Posted: 8/12/2023 8:20:08 AM EDT
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loaded a primed casing  into my issued 45 with the gpt. we then proceeded to throw and drop the gun around. no issues except my gun has some marks now.
Link Posted: 8/12/2023 11:16:24 AM EDT
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This is not correct.

The safeties include:
1) The Trigger safety lever
2) The Firing pin safety
3) the Drop Safety.  With the GPT the cruciform shape is slightly modified at the rear of the trigger bar, but the trigger bar still rests on the drop safety shelf located in the trigger mechanism housing.

Thus all these safeties remain intact with the GPT.

From my understanding the GPT utilizes a "pre cocked trigger" and the standard drop safe Glock design uses a partial cocked trigger. How does that not eliminate that safety feature?



Because Glock never claimed that it was a safety. You might consider it to be, but if Glock didn't you can't claim that they eliminated it with a new trigger.
Link Posted: 8/12/2023 4:59:48 PM EDT
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loaded a primed casing  into my issued 45 with the gpt. we then proceeded to throw and drop the gun around. no issues except my gun has some marks now.
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I appreciate the real world testing.
Link Posted: 8/12/2023 7:19:52 PM EDT
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I don't carry a Glock, but I do have a GPT and would have zero qualms about carrying it.  It is safe, reliable, and most notably is a FACTORY GLOCK OEM trigger.  That alone should allay all the hypothetical courtroom drama.  

As for being too light, my EDC is a 1911 with a 3.5 lb trigger... Your finger should be off the trigger until you are ready to shoot, especially with a Glock.  

To those who say a heavier trigger won't be noticed in a high stress situation, that may be true.  But a lighter break will be easier to shoot accurately.  This has been debated a ton, the Glock NY triggers being one example.
Link Posted: 8/13/2023 1:28:04 AM EDT
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Been carrying it since it first came out. I trust it as much as the standard trigger and trust it more than other aftermarket triggers. I also think the fully cocked striker is a benefit as it’s extremely obvious when you have an un-reset/dead trigger.
Link Posted: 8/14/2023 1:37:20 AM EDT
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Because Glock never claimed that it was a safety. You might consider it to be, but if Glock didn't you can't claim that they eliminated it with a new trigger.
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Hence my writing "From my understanding"
Link Posted: 8/14/2023 5:00:21 AM EDT
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Been carrying a G45 with GPT and “-“ connector for months now. Very satisfied.
Link Posted: 8/14/2023 8:17:52 AM EDT
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Yeah the main complaint I've heard is the trigger shoe.

You can swap that out without affecting function and safety, right?

Was eyeballing that Tyrant shoe

https://www.tyrantcnc.com/i-t-t-s-glock-compatible-trigger-gen-5.html
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Yeah you can swap out the trigger shoe on the GPT.  I put a standard trigger shoe on my first one, and it was slightly better, but nothing to write home about.  I have considered going with one of the aftermarket trigger shoes, but I don't cherish the thought of spending $100 more on the trigger.  I'm not sure it's that much better than a good broken in factory trigger.  

As my again in 6 more months and after further evaluation I may decide it's worth the added expense.  




TXPO
Link Posted: 8/27/2023 4:00:39 PM EDT
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The PolyDAT shoe is nice with the GPT.
Not a fan of how much more the trigger moves to the rear when the slide cycles.
Interestingly, the housing is clearanced and marked where an overtravel screw could go.
Link Posted: 8/27/2023 4:06:16 PM EDT
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Imho, no. Any upgrade makes your carry more lethal. I know, I know,  but thats how the perps lawyers are going to attack.
Be a diff story if the maker made a "LE SPECIAL",  but then THEY would be on the hook, and they are fully aware that attys always go for the deepest pockets. My 2 cents. Practice with the factory.
Link Posted: 8/27/2023 5:30:46 PM EDT
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Here is my take on the subject:

In 1995 when I took my first concealed class for permit, the instructor was retired NOPD (New Orleans PD) and told us very clearly, do not carry a modified firearm, if you need to use it you will be a prosecutors wet dream.  You will be transformed from an individual trying to protect yourself to a vigilante looking for trouble and someone to shoot.

Fast forward a few more years and second instructor told me the same thing, and then had another one say essentially the same speech.  

My best friends brother is our local police chief and I asked him about this and said if you are carrying for self protection, carry a box stock firearm, dont give the prosecution any reason to pile on your case.

So with that being said, my carry is box stock, down to the sights.

Link Posted: 8/27/2023 6:15:56 PM EDT
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Here is my take on the subject:

In 1995 when I took my first concealed class for permit, the instructor was retired NOPD (New Orleans PD) and told us very clearly, do not carry a modified firearm, if you need to use it you will be a prosecutors wet dream.  You will be transformed from an individual trying to protect yourself to a vigilante looking for trouble and someone to shoot.

Fast forward a few more years and second instructor told me the same thing, and then had another one say essentially the same speech.  

My best friends brother is our local police chief and I asked him about this and said if you are carrying for self protection, carry a box stock firearm, dont give the prosecution any reason to pile on your case.

So with that being said, my carry is box stock, down to the sights.

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Cops also advise you to drive the speed limit in all scenarios and never jaywalk.  

Some advice is common because its safe to give, not because it's good advice.  This is especially true of legal advice.

Link Posted: 8/28/2023 11:11:55 AM EDT
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Well the GPT is a factory part.

What responsible civilian wouldn't want to be more
"precise" when forced to defend themselves?

If your use of deadly force is justifiable you should be ok.
Link Posted: 8/28/2023 11:39:38 AM EDT
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Here is my take on the subject:

In 1995 when I took my first concealed class for permit, the instructor was retired NOPD (New Orleans PD) and told us very clearly, do not carry a modified firearm, if you need to use it you will be a prosecutors wet dream.  You will be transformed from an individual trying to protect yourself to a vigilante looking for trouble and someone to shoot.

Fast forward a few more years and second instructor told me the same thing, and then had another one say essentially the same speech.  

My best friends brother is our local police chief and I asked him about this and said if you are carrying for self protection, carry a box stock firearm, dont give the prosecution any reason to pile on your case.

So with that being said, my carry is box stock, down to the sights.

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Totally agree.
The DA will pepper your angus over aftermarket performance parts.
Stock pistol out of the box for EDC.
You can increase your overall skill level by learning to shoot factory triggers instead of Gucci triggers.
Become a better shot with practice and skill instead of a gucci trigger. Make yourself better shot and leave the pistol alone(factory). That way you can pick up any caliber Glock and shoot it like an action hero. jmho
Link Posted: 8/28/2023 11:43:54 AM EDT
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Totally agree.
The DA will pepper your angus over aftermarket performance parts.
Stock pistol out of the box for EDC.
You can increase your overall skill level by learning to shoot factory triggers instead of Gucci triggers.
Become a better shot with practice and skill instead of a gucci trigger. Make yourself better shot and leave the pistol alone(factory). That way you can pick up any caliber Glock and shoot it like an action hero. jmho
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Here is my take on the subject:

In 1995 when I took my first concealed class for permit, the instructor was retired NOPD (New Orleans PD) and told us very clearly, do not carry a modified firearm, if you need to use it you will be a prosecutors wet dream.  You will be transformed from an individual trying to protect yourself to a vigilante looking for trouble and someone to shoot.

Fast forward a few more years and second instructor told me the same thing, and then had another one say essentially the same speech.  

My best friends brother is our local police chief and I asked him about this and said if you are carrying for self protection, carry a box stock firearm, dont give the prosecution any reason to pile on your case.

So with that being said, my carry is box stock, down to the sights.


Totally agree.
The DA will pepper your angus over aftermarket performance parts.
Stock pistol out of the box for EDC.
You can increase your overall skill level by learning to shoot factory triggers instead of Gucci triggers.
Become a better shot with practice and skill instead of a gucci trigger. Make yourself better shot and leave the pistol alone(factory). That way you can pick up any caliber Glock and shoot it like an action hero. jmho



None of that is really true.  


If a DA wants to charge you, you will get charged with everything under the sun and your trigger isn't going to save or end you unless its something tarded like you wrote a racial slur on the side of it.  


Mods that improve safety, reliability, accuracy, and precision...are a good thing.  


Link Posted: 8/28/2023 2:47:32 PM EDT
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I'll stick with a stock trigger for carry and duty use. For the most part an altered firearm won't cause you legal troubles if the shoot is good, I'd just be worried about being so use to say a 5.5 lb. trigger and then having a 3.5 in the pistol the day I need it... you finger fuck just ever so slightly to much... the pistol just might go off w/o you really wanting it to.

I shoot my duty gun a lot, on a few occasions when I've not shot my glocks with aftermarket triggers, I've noticed a difference. In a dynamic high-stress incident, I want a firm but reasonable trigger.
Link Posted: 8/28/2023 3:01:13 PM EDT
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Urban legend really.

The use of deadly force is viewed from an objective standard... was deadly force reasonable and necessary under the specific facts of the case/incident. WHAT you used to inflict that deadly force is of little concern whether it be a 1975 Buick, an ice pick, or a custom pistol with aftermarket parts. You are completely allowed to use what ever you have available to cause death IF causing that death is objectively  justified.  

You will not find one single case where the use of deadly force was ruled as being justified but the person got in trouble because they used a firearm with custom parts.

Usually when firearms are taken they are sent to a testing authority that only concerns itself with the safe and proper function of the firearm to rule out negligence or malfunction as a cause for the weapon firing... in other words, to determine the firearm fired because someone made it fire.
Link Posted: 8/28/2023 3:24:31 PM EDT
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No issues carrying mine in a Glock 19.5 MOS.  I installed it when they first came out. Didn’t care much for the flat trigger shoe.  Replace it with a Johnny Glock factory OEM curved trigger shoe that he modifies and enhances.  Best $22 I’ve ever spent on a shoe.
Link Posted: 8/29/2023 12:50:03 AM EDT
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Here is my take on the subject:

In 1995 when I took my first concealed class for permit, the instructor was retired NOPD (New Orleans PD) and told us very clearly, do not carry a modified firearm, if you need to use it you will be a prosecutors wet dream.  You will be transformed from an individual trying to protect yourself to a vigilante looking for trouble and someone to shoot.

Fast forward a few more years and second instructor told me the same thing, and then had another one say essentially the same speech.  

My best friends brother is our local police chief and I asked him about this and said if you are carrying for self protection, carry a box stock firearm, dont give the prosecution any reason to pile on your case.

So with that being said, my carry is box stock, down to the sights.

Cops also advise you to drive the speed limit in all scenarios and never jaywalk.  

Some advice is common because its safe to give, not because it's good advice.  This is especially true of legal advice.




What I left off of my original reply was the third instructor was also a defense lawyer...I should have stated that.  With that being said, I have stuck to this process/approach to carrying.  Second, as noted above, I have spent a lot of time behind a Glock trigger since my first Glock purchase in 1993 and I am very profecient with the stock trigger.
Link Posted: 8/29/2023 9:05:36 AM EDT
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Here is my take on the subject:

In 1995 when I took my first concealed class for permit, the instructor was retired NOPD (New Orleans PD) and told us very clearly, do not carry a modified firearm, if you need to use it you will be a prosecutors wet dream.  You will be transformed from an individual trying to protect yourself to a vigilante looking for trouble and someone to shoot.

Fast forward a few more years and second instructor told me the same thing, and then had another one say essentially the same speech.  

My best friends brother is our local police chief and I asked him about this and said if you are carrying for self protection, carry a box stock firearm, dont give the prosecution any reason to pile on your case.

So with that being said, my carry is box stock, down to the sights.

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A couple thoughts, Ive been involved in firearms investigations for about 23 years. My observations is the "do not modify your firearms" mantra esp. from current or former LEOs often comes from the fact most agencies have firearm policies that prohibit all or unauthorized modifications to the issued firearms. An officer wouldnt be breaking the law per say, but they could loose agency indemnification (which now exposes the LEO to serious legal liability in a civil suit). Non-LEO folks are under no such restriction.

What I have seen is someone install an aftermarket part that resulted in an unintentional discharge get sued. In a self defense shooting where you have been criminally charged, you can bank on the prosecutor trying to make anything you have firearm, ammo, holster, etc. out to be the tools of a killer. Think back to the Rittenhouse case. At one point the prosecutor was attacking Rittenhouse for having FMJ ammo claiming that he only used that type so he could shoot through a person. Had Rittenhouse used a JHP round you can be sure the prosecutor would have made that type of ammo seem like the most evil option. For what its worth in my area, a good percent of firearms recovered in criminal investigations have been modified and it rarely if ever comes up at trial.

My experience has been typically the most reliable configuration of a pistol will be close to stock. The manufactures can test these platforms and parts far more extensively than an aftermarket company typically can. If you do choose to modify something, make sure you have verified that it works as intended. In any case if you have to use it, it would probably be a good thing to be able to articulate why you made this modification, if for no other reason than to inform your attorney should it come to that.
Link Posted: 8/29/2023 9:07:20 AM EDT
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What I left off of my original reply was the third instructor was also a defense lawyer...I should have stated that.  With that being said, I have stuck to this process/approach to carrying.  Second, as noted above, I have spent a lot of time behind a Glock trigger since my first Glock purchase in 1993 and I am very profecient with the stock trigger.
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Same logic still applies, even more so with an attorney who you haven't retained.  "Keep everything stock" is always safe advice to give.  That's why it is given out so frequently.
Link Posted: 8/29/2023 11:07:41 AM EDT
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Here is my take on the subject:

In 1995 when I took my first concealed class for permit, the instructor was retired NOPD (New Orleans PD) and told us very clearly, do not carry a modified firearm, if you need to use it you will be a prosecutors wet dream.  You will be transformed from an individual trying to protect yourself to a vigilante looking for trouble and someone to shoot.

Fast forward a few more years and second instructor told me the same thing, and then had another one say essentially the same speech.  

My best friends brother is our local police chief and I asked him about this and said if you are carrying for self protection, carry a box stock firearm, dont give the prosecution any reason to pile on your case.

So with that being said, my carry is box stock, down to the sights.

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I hear what you're saying and hear it a lot.  So I brought up this idea of being prosecuted for otherwise good self defense shooting due to gun modifications with some APs in my Prosecutor's office and they just laughed.  In so many words,  they said their office has way too much on their plates already dealing with real criminals to go out of their way trying to hang up regular good citizens just defending themselves over what parts they have on their guns.    So I don't worry about carrying with gun mods in the slightest.  There are much more important things that I do worry about, like really understanding and applying proper Use of Force rules, and training beyond just paper punching or dinging steel on square ranges in order to prepare to problem solve, think and perform under mental overload stresses.   Where I put rounds and being able to articulate why I was justified to put them there are what will matter to the Prosecutor.

To the point in question in this post, if the safeties aren't disabled with the trigger and it isn't some crazy hair trigger, I would have no problem carrying with it.
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I've put the Glock Perf. trigger in all my carry Glocks so far, including my gen3 and gen4 9mm's as well as my 32 and 33 Glock 357 sigs. It's a better trigger than what the stock triggers were, so it was an easy choice. The fact I can get them for "blue label pricing" which is 70 bux was also a bonus. As for prosecutors targeting me because of the GPT in my gun after a legitimate self defense shooting, bring it bitch. A legit shooting is always a legit shooting, and I live in FL, where Gov DeSantis fires democratic woke prosecutors who refuse to prosecute criminals. You guys who live in your blue state utopias controlled by liberals from top to bottom, you can worry about that crap.
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What I left off of my original reply was the third instructor was also a defense lawyer...I should have stated that.  With that being said, I have stuck to this process/approach to carrying.  Second, as noted above, I have spent a lot of time behind a Glock trigger since my first Glock purchase in 1993 and I am very profecient with the stock trigger.
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Louisiana law is different. I’m not saying its different in this case, because I don’t know (I’m not a lwayer, but have had to consult them), but, it can be kind of weird for anyone used to navigating the legal process in any other state.

Still, I’d probably carry whatever, yet I tend to carry stock Glocks with upgraded sighting systems. Most everywhere.
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A couple thoughts, Ive been involved in firearms investigations for about 23 years. My observations is the "do not modify your firearms" mantra esp. from current or former LEOs often comes from the fact most agencies have firearm policies that prohibit all or unauthorized modifications to the issued firearms. An officer wouldnt be breaking the law per say, but they could loose agency indemnification (which now exposes the LEO to serious legal liability in a civil suit). Non-LEO folks are under no such restriction.

What I have seen is someone install an aftermarket part that resulted in an unintentional discharge get sued. In a self defense shooting where you have been criminally charged, you can bank on the prosecutor trying to make anything you have firearm, ammo, holster, etc. out to be the tools of a killer. Think back to the Rittenhouse case. At one point the prosecutor was attacking Rittenhouse for having FMJ ammo claiming that he only used that type so he could shoot through a person. Had Rittenhouse used a JHP round you can be sure the prosecutor would have made that type of ammo seem like the most evil option. For what its worth in my area, a good percent of firearms recovered in criminal investigations have been modified and it rarely if ever comes up at trial.

My experience has been typically the most reliable configuration of a pistol will be close to stock. The manufactures can test these platforms and parts far more extensively than an aftermarket company typically can. If you do choose to modify something, make sure you have verified that it works as intended. In any case if you have to use it, it would probably be a good thing to be able to articulate why you made this modification, if for no other reason than to inform your attorney should it come to that.
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That's correct.
Combine that with a police, white person hating liberal DA and pepper your angus aka big stick no grease.
Learn to shoot your stock trigger like John Wick. Improve your shooting skills, practice, pratice and practice.
Installing some gucci wonder trigger is a pussy move and gets zero respect from me at the range and on the street.
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I must be extra special because I can get them for $75 every day and $60 several times a year
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This thread has the weirdest flexing going on.  

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Carry what you want.  Don't carry anything that might cause an AD.  


The chances of using it against a person is infinitesimal.  The chances of having legal issues are even less.  

Am I going to carry some homebrew Ricky Mouse trigger job?  No.  I'm not experienced enough with trigger work to trusty own work.  I'm also perfectly happy with stock triggers, but do what makes you happy.
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When you talk all I hear is "Meow Meow meow"
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This thread has the weirdest flexing going on.  

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This thread has the weirdest flexing going on.  




Flexing is not uncommon for trigger mod discussions.  Some people dead set in their opinions that they won't comprehend that a lot of people who change triggers aren't actually newbs avoiding learning how to shoot a stock trigger well, but rather have shot for years with stock triggers first without issue.  But mechanical advantage is a real thing and mechanical improvements can make small differences and we can discover those through experience.   Luckily, I don't give a shit about getting other people's "respect" over my gear choices.   Let flexers waste their time worrying about what others do because I don't care about some randos' opinions because a cop told them it was true once upon a time in band camp.
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Can we stop with the "don't modify your gun! They'll crucify you in court!" BS? I see and hear it all the time, yet no one can provide any examples of it happening in a case involving an otherwise justified shooting. I've spent my career in LE, and been involved in multiple defensive gun use cases and guess what? If it's a justified shoot, it doesn't matter what's been done to the gun. Even when Phillip Brailsford shot Daniel Shaver, which was totally unjustified, the "you're fucked" dust cover on the AR he used was deemed non-admissible by the court.
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I sometimes wonder where that particular fuddlore originated.
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Can we stop with the "don't modify your gun! They'll crucify you in court!" BS? I see and hear it all the time, yet no one can provide any examples of it happening in a case involving an otherwise justified shooting.
I sometimes wonder where that particular fuddlore originated.



I dug into it many years ago and there were a few cases where weapon mods were an issue.  There were 2 basic areas where it was problematic-

Punisher logos, things engraved and written on the gun, motivational stickers like "kill them all and let God sort them out"...  This goes into intent and mindset.  

Mods that were unsafe and caused a ND or some sort of unintentional harm to another person.  This goes into negligence.  


If the prosecutor is trying to claim that you unintentionally shot someone...then blaming the trigger is a valid line of attack.  If you modified the trigger and then ND'd into a person...weapon mods that make it easier to fire are something that matters in your case.  Negligence is often slightly easier to prove than intentional homicide, so it may be easier for a prosecutor to accuse you of negligently killing someone and then try to bring in the mods.  


That said, I can't locate any actual cases where it worked and I can't see a logical/safe trigger like the GPT being the basis of a prosecution.  There is nothing wrong with adding a GPT, mag well, using good duty ammo, and so on.  


If the people worried about being charged for a trigger want something to really worry about, they need to get professional training and do annual firearms, med, and tactics courses.  That is where the real liability lives.
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I must be extra special because I can get them for $75 every day and $60 several times a year
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Where's the $60 website so I can buy more?
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