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Posted: 1/28/2005 10:21:39 AM EDT
Granted, I paid less than $250 for this pistol, but I was hoping to have a reliable platform for suppression.  It completely sucked out of the box.  I couldn't even get through a mag without jamming.  Those with limp wrists had even more trouble.

It now runs very close to 100%, and here's what I did.  My problems may have not been your problems, but this is what worked for me.  For reference, here's a parts diagram

(0)  Disassemble the gun.  Take off the slide, pound out the 2 roll pins holding the action in the plastic lower.  You may need to unscrew the two halves (sideplates) of the action to do some things.

(1)  Ditch the stupid mag safety.  I removed part #23, and the gun actually works like a normal handgun.

(2)  Ditch the slide stop spring.  This kept slipping out from under the slide stop and making the last-round-hold-open nonfunctional.  In the hundreds of rounds I have shot since then, the mag spring has been plenty strong enough to lock the slide back.

(3)  Tweak the extractor spring.  Push out (mine is just held in place by the tension of the extractor spring) the pin holding in the extractor.  Gently stretch the extractor spring with some pliers.  Exceeding the elastic limit of the spring does weaken it in theory, but I haven't noticed any ill effects yet.  I get much more reliable extraction with this mod.  I can't remember the last time I had an FTE, but I had them all the time before doing this.

Well, that's it.  It worked for me, and I hope it's of help to you.  
Link Posted: 1/28/2005 1:53:31 PM EDT
Good call, I kinda miss my p22 now =x
Link Posted: 1/28/2005 5:20:10 PM EDT
oh dude, THANK YOU.  I will now de-crapify my walther.
Link Posted: 1/28/2005 5:41:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/29/2005 6:52:50 PM EDT by DrMark]



Good post, even though I don't own a P22.  (..yet?)




Link Posted: 1/28/2005 5:44:00 PM EDT
After I get the stuck casing removed from mine I am gonna try this..............
Link Posted: 1/28/2005 6:11:12 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/31/2005 11:12:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/31/2005 11:57:46 PM EDT by GonzoAR15-1]
I'd caution against removing the slide stop spring.

It holds the slide stop DOWN, not up, and without it, recoil can lock the slide.

Other good fixes:


1.    Take a dremel with a tapered stone and just "touch" the edges of the back of the chamber.  Its got a sharp edge on lots of guns, which impacts feeding.  Just polish and slightly chamfer the edge.

2.     Dress the ejector face.   You want to scale back three of the four corners on the face so that it ejects sharply to the side, instead of back into your face.  Diagram:  members.aol.com/snick24392/p22e.gif

3.     Add a trigger stop.   I put mine right at the very bottom, in the frame of the gun and not on the trigger itself.  Works great.   The P22 is so light that any tiny amount of overtravel by the trigger will throw off point of aim.  My grouping is MUCH MUCH better since I did this.   Some folks use rubber O rings around the trigger for the same effect (nice non permanent mod).

4.    Slightly (very slightly) radius the part of the hammer that rubs against the slide during the forward chambering / into battery phase of the cycle.  You'll feel a point where the hammer's edge catches on the place where the safety bar and the steel insert in the slide meet.  You want to round and smoothen the hammer to keep this "hang up" from happening.   Don't remove too much material, or the hammer won't lock back and you'll have a double action only Walther.  (alternatively, maybe that's what you want -- hey, to each is own).

5.    Add a little bit of cornstarch to the threads of the barrel nut, fire 2 mags, then cinch the barrel nut just a "hair" tighter.   Poor man's loctite and it lets you remove things if need be without heat.

6.   Remove the firing pin.   You'll see that the front has both the machined "dash" shape of a rimfire pin, and ALSO a square flat area that hits the breach face and prevents over penetration.   Well, you can take just a HAIR of material off of that square part to give deeper firing pin hits.    Especially once you've got some milage on the gun, the hammer spring may not have enough oomph to light off some brands of primer in D.A. (where the hammer throw is shorter).

7.    This one is VERY IMPORTANT:    Take a dremel and radius the FRONT edge of the two ears that stick up from the action and interact with the slide as disconnector ears.   That piece is SHARP from the factor and really beats the hell out of the indentations on the slide.  You want to make that into a "rounded" nub by removing the sharp edge from the front, top, edge of those little ears.   (take a look at how they interact with the slide and you'll get the right idea).



I'm at 2000 rounds through my P22 since I did most of these mods, and I've literally gone about 1500 rounds without a jam, failure to fire, or other malfunction.   I've left the mag safety in my gun.  But some prefer to take it out.  
Link Posted: 1/31/2005 11:19:43 PM EDT
Marked for later.....
Link Posted: 2/3/2005 10:26:52 PM EDT
Hmmm.  May have to tinker around with mine now.  
Link Posted: 2/3/2005 11:23:44 PM EDT
tag
Link Posted: 2/4/2005 11:56:39 AM EDT
Thanks Gonzo and fizassist,  I just bought my P22 last night.  Most of what I have read here and at rimfirecentral gave me the confidence to buy and enjoy.   I'm going to clean up the grease the darn thing is soaked in and shoot a little, then apply some of these "fixes".

Link Posted: 2/8/2005 2:35:37 PM EDT
Tagged, P22/Pilot combo in route
Link Posted: 2/8/2005 2:50:30 PM EDT
tag 4 home
Link Posted: 2/10/2005 10:05:48 PM EDT
Won't all this void out the facotry warrenty though?
Link Posted: 2/10/2005 10:19:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bruh44:
Won't all this void out the facotry warrenty though?



Well, yeah.

I'd rather have an unwarranted gun that WORKS than send it back to S&W on my dime six times for repairs though.
Link Posted: 2/10/2005 11:36:57 PM EDT
I just pulled the magazine safety out of mine.  It's SOOOO much better now!  Except, when I seat a mag, it's loose and rattles around slightly.  It may not have an effect on function -- I'll know this weekend.  It could've been like that before, for all I know, though.  Have you noticed this?

Damn, I just love tinkering with guns at my bench!
Link Posted: 2/11/2005 2:44:41 PM EDT
I must be lucky, I have had my p22 for about a year and haven't had any problems with mine. Mine shoots everytime, I will of source be checking out all of your recommendation. I just have to tinker.

Cazio
Link Posted: 2/11/2005 10:21:20 PM EDT
FWIW, I mine has a serial number in the "unreliable" range and I have the "bad" A mags.  550 rounds so far and the only jams I've had were a couple of subsonics after the gun was thoroughly filthy.  I'm so happy to be rid of the mag safety.  We'll see how it does . . .
Link Posted: 2/12/2005 10:10:12 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BlammO:
FWIW, I mine has a serial number in the "unreliable" range and I have the "bad" A mags.  550 rounds so far and the only jams I've had were a couple of subsonics after the gun was thoroughly filthy.  I'm so happy to be rid of the mag safety.  We'll see how it does . . .



What #s are in the "unreliable range," and how do you know if the mags are "A" mags????

Thanks!!! !
Link Posted: 2/13/2005 3:10:15 AM EDT

Originally Posted By WalkerTexasRanger:

Originally Posted By BlammO:
FWIW, I mine has a serial number in the "unreliable" range and I have the "bad" A mags.  550 rounds so far and the only jams I've had were a couple of subsonics after the gun was thoroughly filthy.  I'm so happy to be rid of the mag safety.  We'll see how it does . . .



What #s are in the "unreliable range," and how do you know if the mags are "A" mags????

Thanks!!! !



IIRC, a serial number prefix of "L" on the gun is bad joo joo and a suffix of "A" on the magazine's part number (etched on the mag body) is supposed to be bad too.  At least that's what I read somewere here.  After removing the mag safety, I took it out today and ran a few mags full of ammo through it.  No problems as usual!  I'm using Federal Lightning mostly, but have also run some Aguila SSS.
Link Posted: 2/13/2005 5:01:54 AM EDT

Originally Posted By BlammO:
I have the "bad" A mags.  



Bad "A" mags?  The "A" mags are the improved ones with the slots.

Check:

Walther P22 Fixes

Link Posted: 2/13/2005 5:09:57 AM EDT
Ahhhh, thankyouberrymush!  I stand corrected.  Do you have any idea why the "L" series guns are supposedly less reliable?  Mine fires fine, but if the slide doesn't return to battery at full speed, it sometimes hangs halfway open.  Not a problem when shooting -- just odd.
Link Posted: 2/13/2005 10:52:45 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/13/2005 10:53:23 AM EDT by AR_prof]

Originally Posted By BlammO:
Ahhhh, thankyouberrymush!  I stand corrected.  Do you have any idea why the "L" series guns are supposedly less reliable?  Mine fires fine, but if the slide doesn't return to battery at full speed, it sometimes hangs halfway open.  Not a problem when shooting -- just odd.



I'd still like to see a database of S/N vs. reliability.  Most claim that one doesn't exist, but at least I'd like to see the dates of manufacture for various S/Ns.

So far, mine is great.  Just one dud round which I attributed to it being a bulk pack of Winchester Dynapoints.

Link Posted: 2/13/2005 5:35:07 PM EDT
I did some reading over at the Walther Forum and they said it has nothing to do with an L in the prefix.  What to look for is the AA AB AC AD AE on the barrel.  AA='00 AB="01 etc.  

They said as long as the barrel is AD indicating '03 production, or later it should be just fine.  And yes, the "good" mags are the ones with the "A" in the #.  That and the stainless mags...  

Hope this helps!!!  

Link Posted: 2/14/2005 3:58:29 PM EDT
tag
Link Posted: 2/14/2005 4:14:00 PM EDT
Tagaroo.
I've always liked these pistols and keep threatening to buy one.
Link Posted: 2/14/2005 4:59:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AR_prof:

I'd still like to see a database of S/N vs. reliability.  Most claim that one doesn't exist, but at least I'd like to see the dates of manufacture for various S/Ns.




Yup.  I think alot of that is "urban legend" material.

The VERY FIRST P22s had too stout of a recoil spring to reliably shoot subsonics out of the shorter barrelled version.   That was a change in spec. that could be attributed to serial numbers.  So, too, there was a problem with the original magazines, and I suppose one could track the point in time when they started shipping the "-A" improved versions.   Third, they DID start "staking" the pin that holds the steel insert in the slide at some point, but I don't know when.   Other than these changes, I'm not aware of a "major" overhaul of the pistol that would be evident from viewing when the gun was produced.
Link Posted: 2/14/2005 7:16:15 PM EDT
Makes sense, I've looked carefully at some used ones at gun shows and couln't detect any differences (w/o disassembly).  Maybe it is just we've learned enough to get them to work, and the new mags make that much difference.

Link Posted: 3/6/2005 11:58:06 PM EDT
tag
Link Posted: 3/7/2005 12:06:16 AM EDT
tag, never had a problem with mine, but the info is good to have.
Link Posted: 3/9/2005 7:13:53 AM EDT
First, I love my P22 esp. with a silencer, but I have to say its reliabilty compared to my Ruger 22/45 sucks.

It will not fire any subsonic ammo (PMC Moderator, Federal GM Target, Wolf/Jagd Match, Aguila Match Rifle) in anything other than single shot mode.  It eats up Stingers and Remington HV bulk from Walmart.   It will not fire the Federal HV bulk if you've fired more than a magazine in it.  It has an AD marked barrel but a L serial number, FWIW.  Aguila SSS will cycle, but it also won't stabilize and keyholes all over the freaking place so I do not fire it.

The first mod I did to it was to remove the magazine safety.  Then I started on the hammer because it hangs up on the juncture between the steel insert and the safety on the slide.  I also reshaped the extractor to have a nicer, sharper hook, I haven't had extraction problems when firing (if the gun is dirty, and I'm pulling a live round, I've found that putting my finger on the extractor as I pull the slide will usually do the trick).

I went to the gunshow this weekend and bought two more magazines.  Neither of them would fire.  I mean, put them in the gun, the gun will NOT go bang.  I put the originals back in... bang.  New ones (stainless ones that look like the G22 mags)... no bang.  It turns out that after I used my calipers on them, the raised tab magazine catch portion of the mags on the new ones was 1.092-1.097" thick (front to back) and my original ones are 1.088".  So I take a hammer and lightly start on them (I mean lightly) and get them to 1.088".  Now they go bang, just like the originals.  With the longer thickness in the magazine, the trigger was being prevented from travelling back far enough for the sear to release.

Also, I found that my P22 does not like the firing pin return spring.  I've burned through two of them.  Walther told me to quit dry-firing the gun because the spring is going solid too often and the spring is taking a permanent set.  When that happens, the firing pin becomes an inertia pin that does not like being dirty so it gets stuck half way inside the gun.  It won't go bang, the safety won't activate, and it will jam the firing pin block (which will then start hitting the disconnector each cycle causing hammer follow).  I have one or two more springs being sent to me by Walther/S&W.  Right now I have two of the spring-set springs interlaced.  Its working for now, but I've also gotten a couple FTFs that never occured before.

If someone can tell me how to make it more reliable with Subsonics, I'd be ever so grateful... :)
Link Posted: 3/9/2005 10:36:18 AM EDT
Mine loves Federal HV bulk from Wally World.  You might be well served by putting the mag safety back in and returning it to Walther for warranty service.
Link Posted: 3/9/2005 10:46:30 AM EDT
Mine shoots all manner of subsonics without a hitch of any kind whatsoever.  Remington, CCI, Wolf, and even the 'spensive "boutique" stuff.

Is yours failing to extract/eject, or are the rounds hanging up when chambering?

Link Posted: 3/9/2005 10:57:34 AM EDT
Tag - I haven't had any problems with mine (yet ), but I want to follow this thread anyway, just in case...
Link Posted: 3/10/2005 12:33:13 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/10/2005 12:37:13 AM EDT by jchock]
No, it goes into single shot mode.  Pull trigger bang.  Case moves back just enough (literally) to get stuck between the breach face and the rear of the barrel.  Rack the slide to eject it, then hope the slide doesn't get stuck on the safety/hammer interaction, pull trigger again, bang.  Gun pulls case just enough to stop it again, rack slide, repeat...  It doesn't matter if I'm firing Wolf/Jagd, PMC Moderator, Remington Target, Federal GM target, Aguila Match Rifle, Federal bulk, etc.  They all might as well be Aguila Colibri.

It's very irritating.  Aguila SSS cycles fine, but will not group as it's keyholing like mad (I will not fire this when the silencer is attached for obvious reasons).  I filled a magazine randomly with a combination of Remington HV bulk from Wally World and Federal HV bulk from Wally World.  The Federal _every time_ would not cycle the action.

I called Walther to ask about this and they said I could only shoot the gun with high quality, clean burning high velocity or the gun won't cycle.  The tech specifically said it will only shoot CCI Stingers because anything else is too dirty and the gun will gum up.  I don't know about dirty, but I know that that isn't true about the cycling with only CCI as the Rem HV works.  I loaned it out at the range to a guy so he and his friend could try the silencer and it also cycled with CCI Mini-Mags.

ETA:  you asked if it had problems chambering.  Yes it does from a fresh mag with the slide locked back.  The slide just sort of half pushed the top round off of the mag when you hit the slide release.  If you flick your wrist forward and back or just tap the slide with your thumb, the slide jumps forward and there's no problem from then on (if you're using a round that cycles).

I have never gotten more than 250 rounds through it before it became so completely unreliable that I felt it needed a good cleaning or had to be using something with more oomph.  Even with all these problems I really like it (I think it's a combination of looks and ergonomics).  I just really wish it could approach the reliablility of the Ruger (and I have yet to hit a squirrel with the P22 where the Ruger+silencer hit the first squirrel dead on with Federal GM Target).

Oh, another mod that had to be done, the barrel sleeve notch in the receiver (the little tab that fits in the groove) was peened.  I don't know how, but it was (when I first disassembled it) causing the sleeve to rock around on it.  I deepened the groove in the sleeve and its no longer a problem, but the gun no longer needed the sight thrown all the way to the left to be close to the target.

Also the little wrench that came with mine was badly heat treated.  It  splayed out, bent, and then marred the barrel nut.  S&W/Walther sent me a new one of each for free when they sent my first replacement firing pin return spring.  The new wrench works as the old one should have...
Link Posted: 3/10/2005 10:13:31 AM EDT

Originally Posted By jchock:
No, it goes into single shot mode.  Pull trigger bang.  Case moves back just enough (literally) to get stuck between the breach face and the rear of the barrel.  Rack the slide to eject it, then hope the slide doesn't get stuck on the safety/hammer interaction, pull trigger again, bang.  Gun pulls case just enough to stop it again, rack slide, repeat...  It doesn't matter if I'm firing Wolf/Jagd, PMC Moderator, Remington Target, Federal GM target, Aguila Match Rifle, Federal bulk, etc.  They all might as well be Aguila Colibri.

It's very irritating.  Aguila SSS cycles fine, but will not group as it's keyholing like mad (I will not fire this when the silencer is attached for obvious reasons).  I filled a magazine randomly with a combination of Remington HV bulk from Wally World and Federal HV bulk from Wally World.  The Federal _every time_ would not cycle the action.

I called Walther to ask about this and they said I could only shoot the gun with high quality, clean burning high velocity or the gun won't cycle.  The tech specifically said it will only shoot CCI Stingers because anything else is too dirty and the gun will gum up.  I don't know about dirty, but I know that that isn't true about the cycling with only CCI as the Rem HV works.  I loaned it out at the range to a guy so he and his friend could try the silencer and it also cycled with CCI Mini-Mags.

ETA:  you asked if it had problems chambering.  Yes it does from a fresh mag with the slide locked back.  The slide just sort of half pushed the top round off of the mag when you hit the slide release.  If you flick your wrist forward and back or just tap the slide with your thumb, the slide jumps forward and there's no problem from then on (if you're using a round that cycles).

I have never gotten more than 250 rounds through it before it became so completely unreliable that I felt it needed a good cleaning or had to be using something with more oomph.  Even with all these problems I really like it (I think it's a combination of looks and ergonomics).  I just really wish it could approach the reliablility of the Ruger (and I have yet to hit a squirrel with the P22 where the Ruger+silencer hit the first squirrel dead on with Federal GM Target).

Oh, another mod that had to be done, the barrel sleeve notch in the receiver (the little tab that fits in the groove) was peened.  I don't know how, but it was (when I first disassembled it) causing the sleeve to rock around on it.  I deepened the groove in the sleeve and its no longer a problem, but the gun no longer needed the sight thrown all the way to the left to be close to the target.

Also the little wrench that came with mine was badly heat treated.  It  splayed out, bent, and then marred the barrel nut.  S&W/Walther sent me a new one of each for free when they sent my first replacement firing pin return spring.  The new wrench works as the old one should have...



I am aware that the FIRST generation of P22s had a recoil spring that was too stout.  You may wish to consider swapping the spring out for the equivilent of what they're shipping in current generation guns.

With regard to chambering and the smoothness of the ejection, etc., cycle... I would be sure to dress the sharp edge of the hammer where it hangs on the safety/breach block junction.  Just round it off a bit.  Don't take off too much material, or the gun will go to double action only (there needs to be enough material to bring the hammer back far enough to catch the S.A. sear engagement).  

I am surprised you are having so much trouble with subsonics, though.  Weird that mine shoots all those brands just fine.

Link Posted: 3/10/2005 10:26:56 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/10/2005 10:44:02 AM EDT
Tag
Link Posted: 3/10/2005 12:34:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/10/2005 12:36:25 PM EDT by jchock]

Originally Posted By GonzoAR15-1:

I am aware that the FIRST generation of P22s had a recoil spring that was too stout.  You may wish to consider swapping the spring out for the equivilent of what they're shipping in current generation guns.



I thought this did have the current generation of springs.  Its marked AD and I got it... let me think... Early 2004?



round it off a bit.  Don't take off too much material, or the gun will go to double action only (there needs to be enough material to bring the hammer back far enough to catch the S.A. sear engagement).  



Yup.  Actually mine needed more than rounding.  The steel insert that meets the safety has been peened so much by the hammer that it's curled inside and there's about a 1/32"-1/16" wide dent where the hammer would sit.  I had to create a large flat on the hammer to get around it.  When I was done, I had a bunch of hammer follow that didn't make sense, that's when I noticed the firing pin was stuck half way in (again) and the firing pin plunger was jammed hitting the disconnector.  Next day I called Walther for a new firing pin spring.  If the springs are to be weaker, I'm wondering if the hammer spring needs to be a touch weaker, esp. if mine was peening the slide like that.

I wish it would work with subsonics as that's what the can is really good with, but I'm looking right now at a .22 Federal GM target case stuck between the breech and the barrel and it's not very encouraging.  It its still canted towards the left so I don't even think it had enough oomph to reach the ejector.  There were a lot of burrs on the barrel itself near the breech face (eta:  on the outside, not near the chamber), and with the originally canted barrel due to the peened receiver notch,  there were wear marks all over the barrel sleeve from the slide rubbing.  I polished the worn areas on the barrel and sleeve and re-blued them with Oxpho-Blue, so if they keep wearing, I'll notice (the aluminum slide has grooves worn on the inside from burrs on the barrel).
Link Posted: 3/10/2005 12:45:13 PM EDT
taggy
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 9:19:12 PM EDT
Is there a way to say, weaken the springs a touch?  I've been leaving the pistol with the slide locked back for a few days, but I don't know that it'll make a difference.  I was wondering if someone (Gonzo?) could tell the group (and me) what the free length of your recoil spring was as/if yours functions fine with subsonics?
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 9:55:32 AM EDT

Originally Posted By jchock:
Is there a way to say, weaken the springs a touch?  I've been leaving the pistol with the slide locked back for a few days, but I don't know that it'll make a difference.  I was wondering if someone (Gonzo?) could tell the group (and me) what the free length of your recoil spring was as/if yours functions fine with subsonics?



I'll measure my recoil spring, but I wanted to share with you that during my last trip to the range, I came across a young woman shooting a P22 similar to mine ("L" serial number).   She was shooting CCI Pistol Match, which I believe to be subsonic, and was having no difficulty.

As I hear about the issues you've had with your barrel and shroud and slide, I can't help but wonder if something is seriously off kilter there. It doesn't take much in terms of added friction to screw up the moment of inertia necessary to open the slide on a rimrire blowback gun, and I'm just not convinced that springs are going to be enough for you.  

Good luck.
Link Posted: 3/15/2005 4:13:54 PM EDT
I'm not convinced the springs are the thing either, but aside from buffing everything, the only thing I can do is hope the springs will solve it or send it back to S&W (something I'm trying to avoid).

Anyway, my recoil spring, after being in the slide lock back position for a couple days (not that I think it will take a real set to it, but I "gotta try") is 3.85" in free length.  On the chance that I somehow mis-reassembled the pistol WRT the hammer spring, which side of the hammer do you see the spring end in the gap underneath the hammer at the rear?  Mine is on the left, looking at the rear of the pistol with the hammer lowered.

On a side note, anyone thought of beveling the mag well on theirs at all?  The grip seems easily enough trimmed with an Exacto or Dremel (I'd think the Exacto would be more precise less easy to accidentally gouge the rest of the gun).
Link Posted: 3/15/2005 4:19:54 PM EDT
Oh, NOW you guys come up with these fixes !!    I got rid of my P22 a couple or three months ago!  It was driving me up the wall.  Dammit!!
Link Posted: 3/15/2005 4:38:40 PM EDT
tagged but no problems with mine running remmy subsonic and an outback can.
Link Posted: 3/15/2005 5:36:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By jchock:
I'm not convinced the springs are the thing either, but aside from buffing everything, the only thing I can do is hope the springs will solve it or send it back to S&W (something I'm trying to avoid).

Anyway, my recoil spring, after being in the slide lock back position for a couple days (not that I think it will take a real set to it, but I "gotta try") is 3.85" in free length.  On the chance that I somehow mis-reassembled the pistol WRT the hammer spring, which side of the hammer do you see the spring end in the gap underneath the hammer at the rear?  Mine is on the left, looking at the rear of the pistol with the hammer lowered.

On a side note, anyone thought of beveling the mag well on theirs at all?  The grip seems easily enough trimmed with an Exacto or Dremel (I'd think the Exacto would be more precise less easy to accidentally gouge the rest of the gun).




My spring is just about the same size (little longer).

Spring length can be deceiving in a braided spring, however.  

I'm still interested in the problem with the barrel shroud and all that.  Are you absolutely sure that the thing sits on there "straight?"
Link Posted: 3/21/2005 3:53:07 PM EDT
just did mine ..works good also took out the damn safety lock
Link Posted: 3/21/2005 4:47:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/21/2005 4:48:57 PM EDT by jchock]
What did you do to yours?

Anyway,  I took the P22 out this weekend again.  After leaving the slide locked back for a week or so, I loaded it with Aguila Match Rifle.  First shot, it cycled, next shot, it didn't, next one it did for two, this continued.  It would fire two, then on the second, it wouldn't cycle.  I tried Federal GM Target.  Some single shots, others functioned.  When it doesn't cycle, it does one of two things:

1) the slide does not move.  The hammer does not get charged, emtpy brass stays in the chamber.
2) the slide moves just enough to cycle back to jam the empty case against the breech face.

If I"m lucky, I can get to the last shot, but using anything that has no oomph, (Aguila Match Rifle, Federal GM) the thing doesn't cycle, and won't lock back on the last shot.

It fired 100% with Stingers, Aguila Super Max, Remington Golden bulk from WM, and Aguila SSS (and it grouped which was wierd, but I won't fire it with the can).

Wear was noticed again on the rails (non-symmetric), the side of the barrel sleeve, inside of the slide at various points (including the barrel opening), and on the side of the barrel hood/chamber/breech.  These (non-Aluminum) areas had been previously blued with Oxpho-blue and are now worn again.

ETA:   Also, the roll pins for the extractor and the slide block moved repeatedly, they won't stay in place.  It hadn't done this before.
Link Posted: 3/23/2005 4:09:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/24/2005 2:38:23 PM EDT by johnnyrebel]

Originally Posted By jchock:
What did you do to yours?

Anyway,  I took the P22 out this weekend again.  After leaving the slide locked back for a week or so, I loaded it with Aguila Match Rifle.  First shot, it cycled, next shot, it didn't, next one it did for two, this continued.  It would fire two, then on the second, it wouldn't cycle.  I tried Federal GM Target.  Some single shots, others functioned.  When it doesn't cycle, it does one of two things:

1) the slide does not move.  The hammer does not get charged, emtpy brass stays in the chamber.
2) the slide moves just enough to cycle back to jam the empty case against the breech face.

If I"m lucky, I can get to the last shot, but using anything that has no oomph, (Aguila Match Rifle, Federal GM) the thing doesn't cycle, and won't lock back on the last shot.

It fired 100% with Stingers, Aguila Super Max, Remington Golden bulk from WM, and Aguila SSS (and it grouped which was wierd, but I won't fire it with the can).

Wear was noticed again on the rails (non-symmetric), the side of the barrel sleeve, inside of the slide at various points (including the barrel opening), and on the side of the barrel hood/chamber/breech.  These (non-Aluminum) areas had been previously blued with Oxpho-blue and are now worn again.

ETA:   Also, the roll pins for the extractor and the slide block moved repeatedly, they won't stay in place.  It hadn't done this before.



1 leaving the slide locked back wont help ..the recoil spring is made of coiled wire which holds its elasticity

2 read the manual it says it willnot function with a low propellant charge.."match ammo" it states use hi velocity only....

3 i am going to order a few extra recoil springs and try cutting them down a few notches so they use match ammo  if it works i will post about it

the can should be ok to fire with low velocity...the backpressure created witll cause the slide to function in mine ..i can make the mags hi cap ..and hold about 13-15 ..should i try this?  if i do i will post about it also
Link Posted: 3/31/2005 5:39:26 PM EDT
Mine worked pretty reasonable for the first 1000 rounds, then I cleaned it . Now it doesn't cylce at all. Forget subsonics. It jams every other round....POS.

I scrap it if I didn;t already have a Pilot for it.

Bomber
Link Posted: 3/31/2005 5:41:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By thebomber:
Mine worked pretty reasonable for the first 1000 rounds, then I cleaned it . Now it doesn't cylce at all. Forget subsonics. It jams every other round....POS.

I scrap it if I didn;t already have a Pilot for it.

Bomber



Not cycling at all seems to me to be a function of a loose barrel nut.  The SLIGHTEST bit of play in the barrel with SUCK energy away from the recoil cycle.

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