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Posted: 4/19/2010 7:00:42 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/21/2010 5:37:21 AM EDT by John_Wayne777]
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 7:28:40 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/19/2010 7:30:10 AM EDT by Papi4baby]
That one shows FBI target, this link shows FAMS. Witch one is it.

http://www.letargets.com/estylez_item.aspx?item=LTR-IICB-AM

Either one, looks challenging. Would need practice to get the hang of it. 7 yards is not far should be no problem. Just need to be fast. And since is concealed that could be a problem.
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 7:30:45 AM EDT
Nope!

I could get close though.
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 7:32:11 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 7:40:27 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 7:41:40 AM EDT
I think I could get close now.

With practice, maybe could down the road.



GM

Link Posted: 4/19/2010 7:46:28 AM EDT
Interesting thread topic.
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 7:52:38 AM EDT
What is the "Run" part?
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 8:01:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/19/2010 8:02:11 AM EDT by Papi4baby]
Originally Posted By Drsalee:
What is the "Run" part?


Repeat same course of fire i believe.



I think the biggest issue, at least for me is doing this from a concealed configuration.
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 8:09:35 AM EDT
Marshal has 1 L.
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 8:20:52 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/19/2010 8:23:05 AM EDT by John_Wayne777]
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 8:53:17 AM EDT
I can do it.
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 8:55:24 AM EDT

Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:
Originally Posted By Papi4baby:
That one shows FBI target, this link shows FAMS. Witch one is it.

http://www.letargets.com/estylez_item.aspx?item=LTR-IICB-AM


To the best of my knowledge it's the target pictured in my post. Remember that quals have evolved in the FAMS since the old days (by "evolved" I mean dumbed down somewhat) and the target you linked to may be what they use for the current qual.
The FBI Q is used for the TPC and the Transtar is used for the FLETC PPC.

Link Posted: 4/19/2010 8:57:41 AM EDT
I can shoot the hostage target perfectly, with every shot.
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 9:36:52 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 9:39:21 AM EDT
I'm confident I could do it. I ran some of esentially the same courses except for #6 and #7 and didn't have much problems.

When I went through the instructor course for handgun/shotgun we did several of the "one shot quals" where you start from the holster, draw and shoot one shot, and your score depends on the tenth of a second you finished.
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 9:39:26 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 9:42:16 AM EDT
Just thought I would add: I am going to be trying these drills on my next range trip. Will post an AAR.
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 9:45:13 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/19/2010 9:46:21 AM EDT by Lowflyer]
Ive done it before, but I was not using a Sig P229 in 357 Sig like they do. I would have to practice to do it again
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 10:01:00 AM EDT
Nope, I'd be over time on almost all of them.
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 10:11:05 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 10:16:33 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Papi4baby:
Originally Posted By Drsalee:
What is the "Run" part?


Repeat same course of fire i believe.





Oh! So they're not sprinting back and forth down the length of the plane shooting?

This sounds like less fun now...
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 10:31:27 AM EDT
Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:
Keep in mind that back in the day the FAMS had to show up and shoot that qual cold before every international flight.


Is there a range at every airport? Even close to one?

While I am sure they did their qual drills often, and the two (new school) air marshals I know are pretty darn good with their pistols, I doubt the old schoolers practiced THAT much. Is there a reference to that anywhere?

I think I'd get close on the quals, but won't likely pass the first try - for some reason I think I did an IDPA match that did much of those with movement. I certainly want to see someone do that with their Sig in a Galco Skyops holster, and make that time.
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 10:42:00 AM EDT
Tagged for cool drills to try next time I go shoot.
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 10:42:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/19/2010 10:51:02 AM EDT by TexasDoubleTap]


It's a disease I swear.
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 10:43:18 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 10:48:38 AM EDT
I think I could get damn close and with a little pratice running these drill I could do it.
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 10:55:42 AM EDT

Originally Posted By homeyclaus:
Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:
Keep in mind that back in the day the FAMS had to show up and shoot that qual cold before every international flight.


Is there a range at every airport? Even close to one?

While I am sure they did their qual drills often, and the two (new school) air marshals I know are pretty darn good with their pistols, I doubt the old schoolers practiced THAT much. Is there a reference to that anywhere?

I think I'd get close on the quals, but won't likely pass the first try - for some reason I think I did an IDPA match that did much of those with movement. I certainly want to see someone do that with their Sig in a Galco Skyops holster, and make that time.

All the old time guys did was train between trips. They flew a whole lot less, but did attend various SWAT schools all over the world and trained with everyone. The new guys train quite a bit as well. 40 hrs. per quarter is the minimum. I can't divulge a bunch of training for obvious reasons, but it is plentiful. Not every airport has a range either.

BTW, all official quals are done with a thumb break holster. I don't like the SkyOps, but I have used a Galco Concealable without issue. A lot of our guys can clean the TPC shooting support hand only. When you shoot as many rounds as we do, it gets much easier. I believe I could shoot it cold right now and make it, but the only way to know is to shoot it. I'd be awfully damn close at least.
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 11:15:18 AM EDT
I could do it.







But not in the times prescribed!
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 11:21:52 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DangerJ:
Nope!

I could get close though.

With a few days lead time to practice, maybe.


Link Posted: 4/19/2010 12:23:15 PM EDT
I can do it on the FBI "bowling pin" target.

Used an M9 in a thumbreak converted UM84
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 12:45:50 PM EDT
I saw this on Pistoltraining. Definitely taking a scoresheet with me for the next drills night.
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 3:51:35 PM EDT
What kind of shot timers are you guys using?

I've been practicing and in dry fire I was getting an average of about 1.8 drawing from concealment (two shirts, combat cut Crossbreed IWB holster), going off safe, and squeezing off an aimed shot (dry) with a random start beep. I'm as low as 1.4 and as high as 2.2 when I'd snag on my shirt. This was with essentially zero pressure (no quals, spectators, competitors and certainly no one shooting at me).
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 4:25:57 PM EDT
I'm using a Competition Electronics Pocket Pro II and I set the par time at 1.6 seconds. I use what I carry a Glock 17 with Big Dots out of a Comp-Tac CTAC IWB holster covered by shirt.

If your new to this practice without the timer. Get used to doing everyting perfect, nice and slow build some muscle memory. Then challenge yourself.

Remember smooth is fast
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 4:48:13 PM EDT
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 4:58:37 PM EDT
I could do it.
Link Posted: 4/20/2010 5:27:02 AM EDT
Tag. I want to try this one next time I have a shot timer around.
Link Posted: 4/20/2010 5:37:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/20/2010 6:03:12 AM EDT by John_Wayne777]
Link Posted: 4/20/2010 6:18:57 AM EDT
i dont think i could pass...not in those times

we'll see sometime i can make the range next
Link Posted: 4/20/2010 6:24:31 AM EDT
Thanks for posting.

I've been talking to another SO from our club and we're thinking of adapting this as our course of fire at one of our upcoming shoots.

Should be an interesting challenge for participants.
Link Posted: 4/20/2010 6:45:49 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Lowflyer:
Ive done it before, but I was not using a Sig P229 in 357 Sig like they do. I would have to practice to do it again


So is this what they qualify with? Someone mentioned a thumb break holster, I am assuming they draw from concealment, and have to pop that thumb break? I want to try now.
Link Posted: 4/20/2010 7:16:26 AM EDT
Originally Posted By vanilla_gorilla:
Tag. I want to try this one next time I have a shot timer around.


If you have an iphone their is a shot timer app from surefire that is free. I haven't had a chance to use it other than some clapping to see how it reported but you can set it up however you want and it will email your results if you want it to. Kind of a neat way to keep records really.
Link Posted: 4/20/2010 7:46:33 AM EDT
I want to give it a try....
Link Posted: 4/20/2010 7:59:54 AM EDT
A challenge sounds like a great idea. Me and my group will work on the drill this week.

Remember its drawing from concealment.
Link Posted: 4/20/2010 2:24:46 PM EDT
Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:
Originally Posted By echofivekilo:
I could do it.


...so you'll post your scores, right?



Absolutely.

It'll be a little while though. I have limited range access right now as it is and next weekend I'll be busy shooting in the SC IDPA state championship. One of the local clubs I shoot with is small, (but growing) and they're open to new ideas for match stages as well as things like side-matches. I'll see if I can work this thing in as a side-match or something. Again, it may be a while before I can make it happen.
Link Posted: 4/20/2010 3:15:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/20/2010 5:17:10 PM EDT by ToyCop]

Originally Posted By PhillyB:
Originally Posted By Lowflyer:
Ive done it before, but I was not using a Sig P229 in 357 Sig like they do. I would have to practice to do it again


So is this what they qualify with? Someone mentioned a thumb break holster, I am assuming they draw from concealment, and have to pop that thumb break? I want to try now.

Originally, the holster was a open top DeSantis paddle. The current rig is a thumb break belt holster. Cover garment is mandatory. Weapon is Sig P229 firing Speer 124gr GDHP. I managed a 3 second 14 round rhythm drill with a Sig P250 today. That is quite the feat with the crap trigger.
Link Posted: 4/20/2010 4:28:17 PM EDT
I've been wanting to try this qual for a while now. John Wayne just motivated me to hurry up and do it. I will try it tomorrow, I don't think any of us here have a timer right now though. So the best I can do is run it as fast as I can and post a pic of my target. I've done the MEUSOC a few times and always found that to be a fun challenge.
Link Posted: 4/20/2010 5:11:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/20/2010 5:15:58 PM EDT by ICEAGE]
Great post... Its my goal to become a FAM in a few years (will be graduating college in about 6 months). I've been wanting to become one since I started college 3.5 years ago so I'm hoping I can make it happen, the job just seems ideal for me.


I'm going to have to start working on this drill and see how I do. Whats a good place to buy a timer?
Link Posted: 4/20/2010 5:16:38 PM EDT
If we can come up with a way to establish video evidence of successfully accomplishing said feat, I can award FAM Challenge coins to at least the first five who make it (probably a few more than that). I'm sure I can get together some other goodies as well. How's that for a challenge?
Link Posted: 4/20/2010 5:25:46 PM EDT
When I get the chance to attempt it; I'll have the hat-cam rolling. Like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6FFGenRhCU
Link Posted: 4/20/2010 5:41:53 PM EDT
I'm up for the challenge.

The last three times I've shot the FBI qual. I've shot a 100%, a 96% and a 98% respectively.
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