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Posted: 6/16/2014 3:49:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/16/2014 3:54:31 PM EDT by xm15e2s]
Dad was with first wave on d day. Tried to get his military record for awards to get an understanding of his service.

Gov wants $70 for this information.

Wtf. $70 fucking dollars for photo copy of his discharge.

Fuck you gov. You should be ashamed.

They claim they have it and its public record but archived. No problem if you send $70.

Link Posted: 6/16/2014 3:53:05 PM EDT
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Just a DD214 should be free. Might try contacting his local DAV or the state VA group.

http://www.archives.gov/veterans/military-service-records/
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 3:54:30 PM EDT
I guess I'm curious why you think *any* entity would comb through their records for a specific document and then produce a copy for a disinterested third party free of charge.

Do you also think the .gov spends too much money doing things it shouldn't be doing for free?
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 3:56:17 PM EDT
That is the exact gov website I went yo.
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 3:58:32 PM EDT
Wtf. $5 maybe $10 but not $70 for a copy of a Wwii 214.
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 3:59:43 PM EDT
This is what I found under the fees:

Generally there is no charge for basic military personnel and medical record information provided to veterans, next-of-kin and authorized representatives from Federal (non-archival) records. If your request involves a service fee, you will be notified as soon as that determination is made.

However, Archival OMPFs are subject to the NARA fee schedule that authorizes the Agency to collect fees from the public for copies of archival records (44 USC 2116c and 44 USC 2307).

Online, mailed and faxed archival requests require the purchase of the COMPLETE photocopy of the OMPF:
A routine OMPF of 5 pages or less: $25 flat fee
A routine OMPF of 6 pages or more: $70 flat fee (most OMPFs fall in this category)
Persons of Exceptional Prominence (PEP) OMPF: $.80 cents per page ($20 minimum)
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 4:00:21 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By xm15e2s:
Wtf. $5 maybe $10 but not $70 for a copy of a Wwii 214.
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What other prices should you be allowed to arbitrarily set based on your personal estimation of the value of the service provided?
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 4:06:27 PM EDT
Fuck you. My mom wanted it for the d day remeberence. $70 to copy a fucking 2 pages for a decorated vet.

Fuck them. It should be free.
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 4:15:19 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By xm15e2s:
Fuck you. My mom wanted it for the d day remeberence. $70 to copy a fucking 2 pages for a decorated vet.

Fuck them. It should be free.
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Why "should" it be free?

I'm genuinely curious how you reached this conclusion.
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 4:18:46 PM EDT
Because its next of kin for data for a decorated vet. I think my mom deservers it for fucking free. My dad paid his fucking fee.
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 4:25:46 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By xm15e2s:
Because its next of kin for data for a decorated vet. I think my mom deservers it for fucking free. My dad paid his fucking fee.
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Why couldn't your dad keep a copy of his record?
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 4:26:06 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By xm15e2s:
Wtf. $5 maybe $10 but not $70 for a copy of a Wwii 214.
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I paid $70 to get a factory letter from Winchester. It takes someone a couple hours minimum to dig through the records (carefully, so as to not damage them) and then to carefully make copies, and send them to you. (The winchester letter is a suitable for framing deal, very nicely done. dunno about the mil records) Not to mention their knowledge of those vast archives to be able to locate things somewhat quickly. A lot of that stuff is not in a computer to google in 3.2 seconds.


Also, be very glad your relatives' records are available. Both of my grandfather's WWII records were lost in the big fire in the 60s or 70s. All we have to go on is what little they told us. My maternal grandpa was 3rd wave Omaha, Battle of the Bulge, briefly a captive. Silver Star, 3 Purple Hearts captured a Luger. My paternal grandfather was in the Pacific, drove a Sherman tank, captured a Nambu 94 off a Zero pilot. My dad was very surprised after his death to find a Purple Heart with 2 clusters and a Bronze Star. We'll never know the details behind those medals now.

Link Posted: 6/16/2014 4:28:26 PM EDT
Most Wwii vets refused to talk about their service. Even to their family.
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 4:33:28 PM EDT


It should cost 5 cents.
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 4:35:42 PM EDT
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Most Wwii vets refused to talk about their service. Even to their family.
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I fail to see how that obligates a government department to dig through their files for free to reproduce a copy of a document they already gave the person once.
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 4:38:13 PM EDT
My grandfather paid his dues also but it still cost me $70.00 dollars for his records. I ordered them for the same reason you did.
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 4:42:25 PM EDT
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Fuck you. Its the price the gov pays for service. They paid their fees. They deserve respect and the nextof kin deserves .....my mom deserves respect.
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 4:44:16 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By xm15e2s:
Fuck you. Its the price the gov pays for service. They paid their fees. They deserve respect and the nextof kin deserves my mom deserves respect.
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Again, Why did he not maintain his own copy?
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 4:44:34 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By xm15e2s:
Because its next of kin for data for a decorated vet. I think my mom deservers it for fucking free. My dad paid his fucking fee.
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My dad has copies of all his records, he even kept his flight log books.
What else do you belive should be free, did you get your free
Obama phone yet??
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 4:47:41 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By xm15e2s:
Fuck you. Its the price the gov pays for service. They paid their fees. They deserve respect and the nextof kin deserves .....my mom deserves respect.
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I was on your side to begin with, but you need to slow your roll.
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 4:47:46 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By xm15e2s:
Fuck you. Its the price the gov pays for service. They paid their fees. They deserve respect and the nextof kin deserves .....my mom deserves respect.
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Your animosity and potty-mouth isn't doing your argument any favors. Of course, since your argument seems to boil down to "I want stuff for free cause I said so" it's really kind of a loser out of the gate.
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 4:50:52 PM EDT
Yup my 214 was free. Its all the Wwii vets wives that have to pay the fees because they are now classified as archived.
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 4:56:24 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By xm15e2s:
Fuck you. Its the price the gov pays for service. They paid their fees. They deserve respect and the nextof kin deserves .....my mom deserves respect.
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Pretty sure he got a copy when left active service.
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 4:59:52 PM EDT
God forbid a family losing something 70 years old.
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 5:01:37 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By DOUGHERTY03:


Why couldn't your dad keep a copy of his record?
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Originally Posted By DOUGHERTY03:
Originally Posted By xm15e2s:
Because its next of kin for data for a decorated vet. I think my mom deservers it for fucking free. My dad paid his fucking fee.


Why couldn't your dad keep a copy of his record?

I know (well, sadly now "knew") a ton of WWII vets through working with an organization that recognizes war veterans. To get into the organization, you needed to provide your discharge papers. None of the WWII guys ever had them--they just came home and went on with life after they finished their job overseas. They weren't thinking in terms of being a veteran and needing to prove it.
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 5:02:41 PM EDT
Most vets I know file their dd214 at the county courthouse. Did you look there?
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 5:07:35 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By xm15e2s:
God forbid a family losing something 70 years old.
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Right, he got one, it's lost, it costs money to replace it.

This is kind of the natural way life works ... in general.
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 5:09:09 PM EDT
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Most Wwii vets were peasefull hero's and never spoke of their duty.

Often family tries to understand their scarfice after their death.

I just think it a insult to ask a widow for $70 for that information.

Screw you.
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 5:11:58 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By xm15e2s:
Most Wwii vets were peasefull hero's and never spoke of their duty.

Often family tries to understand their scarfice after their death.
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What does any of that have to do with paying for a service?
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 5:13:59 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By xm15e2s:
Most Wwii vets were peasefull hero's and never spoke of their duty.

Often family tries to understand their scarfice after their death.

I just think it a insult to ask a widow for $70 for that information.

Screw you.
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Just how drunk are you?
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 5:16:03 PM EDT
I just think it a insult to ask a widow to pay for that information.

Screw you.
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 5:17:16 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By xm15e2s:
I just think it a insult to ask a widow to pay for that information.

Screw you.
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We know, we already heard your vote.

You still haven't articulated *why* you think that way.
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 5:17:32 PM EDT
Hey OP, might oughtta dial it back a little...
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 8:39:34 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By xm15e2s:
I just think it a insult to ask a widow to pay for that information.

Screw you.
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The price just went up to $140, run your mouth again and we will accidentally shred the records.
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 8:44:04 PM EDT
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The price just went up to $140, run your mouth again and we will accidentally give them the St. Louis '73 treatment shred the records.
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Originally Posted By sasquatch98:
Originally Posted By xm15e2s:
I just think it a insult to ask a widow to pay for that information.

Screw you.


The price just went up to $140, run your mouth again and we will accidentally give them the St. Louis '73 treatment shred the records.


fify
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 8:44:53 PM EDT
I feel like a Ray Wiley Hubbard song should be playing in this thread....is the OP from TX?

Link Posted: 6/16/2014 8:48:52 PM EDT
Thread did not go the way OP planned, therefore the constant Fuck You, screw you
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 9:04:14 PM EDT
Psst. It's the second button from the left on the bottom.
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 9:10:30 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By xm15e2s:
Wtf. $5 maybe $10 but not $70 for a copy of a Wwii 214.
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One of 16,000,000 records
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 9:17:17 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:

Right, he got one, it's lost, it costs money to replace it.

This is kind of the natural way life works ... in general.
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Originally Posted By xm15e2s:
God forbid a family losing something 70 years old.

Right, he got one, it's lost, it costs money to replace it.

This is kind of the natural way life works ... in general.
My FIL was a WWII veteran. He died in 09.

I have a copy of his service record. I got it from him. When my kids are old enough to appreciate it, I'll go through it with them (ages 4 and 2).


I wouldn't be offended to pay $70 to pass on this heritage to my kids if my FIL hadn't kept his copy of the record handy.

You pay to get a drivers license or passport, I don't understand OP's indignation. I really don't.
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 9:19:02 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By xm15e2s:
I just think it a insult to ask a widow to pay for that information.

Screw you.
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Widow should have asked for records before she became a widow.

Sorry.

My wife has access to a couple hundred pages of docs from my two decades of military service. Including my award citations and orders.
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 9:20:00 PM EDT
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Hey OP, might oughtta dial it back a little...
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Screw you!! Indignation for fee for service!!

Give me free shit without regard to transaction cost or labor!!
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 9:20:32 PM EDT
Log off OP, your drunk.
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 9:20:48 PM EDT
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fify
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Originally Posted By sasquatch98:
Originally Posted By xm15e2s:
I just think it a insult to ask a widow to pay for that information.

Screw you.


The price just went up to $140, run your mouth again and we will accidentally give them the St. Louis '73 treatment shred the records.


fify
you know somebody was totally smoking a joint. fucking dopers.
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 9:24:10 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:

Right, he got one, it's lost, it costs money to replace it.

This is kind of the natural way life works ... in general.
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Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:
Originally Posted By xm15e2s:
God forbid a family losing something 70 years old.

Right, he got one, it's lost, it costs money to replace it.

This is kind of the natural way life works ... in general.


I see your point but $ 70 is ridiculous.

No we don't get to set the price,but we can pretty easily recognize an excessive one.
Link Posted: 6/17/2014 3:38:09 AM EDT
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