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Posted: 10/5/2005 8:37:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/5/2005 8:38:28 AM EDT by DienBienPhu54]
if a guy tried to sell you a rifle like an SKS or mini 14 and he said he fired around 10,000 rds out of it but took good care of it and cleaned it everytime, would you still buy it ? or is 10,000 rds too used?
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 8:38:56 AM EDT
Used does not mean 'used up'.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 8:39:24 AM EDT
I would only buy if he gave me a good deal on it.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 8:39:55 AM EDT
Is it priced accordingly?

Link Posted: 10/5/2005 8:40:26 AM EDT
Probably not. Depends though.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 8:40:51 AM EDT
Well, look at the price of what it would go for use, think about the cost of a new barrel, and go from there.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 8:42:07 AM EDT
depends on how it headspaces.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 8:42:15 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/5/2005 8:44:58 AM EDT by DienBienPhu54]
like a Russian SKS for $150 with 10,000 rds through it

I read AK's barrels are made to last 50,000?
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 8:47:23 AM EDT
i'd buy it if the price was right
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 8:47:39 AM EDT
Buy it, Hell I know people that put 10,000 rounds through a firearm in a heavy month. Barrels do get pricey but I think 50k is the soonest you'd need to replace one.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 8:49:02 AM EDT
No way .... the rifling on the barrel may be non existent by then!
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 8:51:26 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DienBienPhu54:
like a Russian SKS for $150 with 10,000 rds through it

I read AK's barrels are made to last 50,000?



+1 if its a cromed barrel sks

I would get it no prob if the price was good.

But mini14 they couldn't give it to me
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 8:58:13 AM EDT
Years ago one of the gun mags did a torture test where they fired about 10,000 rounds through a Springfield M1A as fast as they could pull the trigger. The barrel got so hot it set the stock on fire several times.

At the end of the test they fired a five shot group that was tighter than the group they shot when they started.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 9:01:20 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/5/2005 9:13:23 AM EDT by ProfessorEvil]
I have an upper that i've dumped, bumped, and abused for nearly 14,000 rounds (mostly old school Wolf!) and it's still got clear rifling down its length and runs like a greased lightning. It is/was the Bumpmaster AR upper. Still shoots as well as I can shoot, so it's not bad. Chrome chambered bushy barrel. I once shot nearly 3000 rounds of wolf through it between cleanings to see if it would stop working (it was just fine).
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 9:02:00 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/5/2005 9:02:13 AM EDT by mjohn3006]

Originally Posted By eye_spy:
No way .... the rifling on the barrel may be non existent by then!



It makes target shooting more challenging, and therefore more fun.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 9:04:31 AM EDT
I have 23,000+ rounds out of my Marlin Model 60 from 1989 (its the 17 shot model).

The rifling is fine, its in perfect shape, and all I've had to do was replace the recoil spring once ONCE! that whole time.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 9:05:03 AM EDT
The price would need to reflect that. Keep in mind though that a lot of the guns being sold at shows probably have a lot more rounds through them than the sellers might disclose. Anytime I have sold anything with a lot of rounds, I have honestly said about how many rounds have gone down the pipe. But honestly, the guns looked like they had a lot less rounds through them. That got me thinking if certain guns that supposedly had a few hundred rounds actually had several thousand...
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 9:09:52 AM EDT
If it's an SKS with 10,000 rounds though it he should pay you to take it.

$129 new... maybe $50 with 10k through the pipe. Just an estimate.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 9:15:44 AM EDT

Originally Posted By macman37:
If it's an SKS with 10,000 rounds though it he should pay you to take it.

$129 new... maybe $50 with 10k through the pipe. Just an estimate.



If this was a yugo then I'd agree with you. Russian SKS's command a premium however. IIRC, used Russians are in the high $200 - low $400 range.

Plus, the yugo is not chrome lined, while the Russian is.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 9:16:22 AM EDT
That way you can tell if a barrel is worn out is when the shot groups starts to open up. I spoke with Bushmaster awhile back, and they have a M16 that was fired full-auto that is still factory accurate after 20,000 rounds.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 9:20:50 AM EDT
I remember Campybob had a Maddi that became a smoothbore after 40k rds through it.

That rifle has lots of life in it!
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 9:21:24 AM EDT
Among the hundreds of guns I've handled, I've seen only a handful that I'd consider "shot out." Think about how few people can exploit the full potential accuracy of any given gun (I'm not one of them) and then ask how likely it is that wear will drag the gun's potential below your own.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 9:23:45 AM EDT

Originally Posted By GonzoAR15-1:
I have 23,000+ rounds out of my Marlin Model 60 from 1989 (its the 17 shot model).

The rifling is fine, its in perfect shape, and all I've had to do was replace the recoil spring once ONCE! that whole time.



Thats a 22lr, as long as you dont let it rust out, you can probably quadruple that... If you go to a smallbore match, it will be nothing to see a fifle there with 50k+ out of it. Thats about when they start considering a rebarrel...

As far as the origional question.. If it looks like it was taken care of, and the price is right, why not.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 9:27:28 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Bob243:

Originally Posted By GonzoAR15-1:
I have 23,000+ rounds out of my Marlin Model 60 from 1989 (its the 17 shot model).

The rifling is fine, its in perfect shape, and all I've had to do was replace the recoil spring once ONCE! that whole time.



Thats a 22lr, as long as you dont let it rust out, you can probably quadruple that... If you go to a smallbore match, it will be nothing to see a fifle there with 50k+ out of it. Thats about when they start considering a rebarrel...

As far as the origional question.. If it looks like it was taken care of, and the price is right, why not.



Usually with .22s its cleaning rod wear at the crown that screws everything up.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 9:28:18 AM EDT

Originally Posted By GonzoAR15-1:

Originally Posted By Bob243:

Originally Posted By GonzoAR15-1:
I have 23,000+ rounds out of my Marlin Model 60 from 1989 (its the 17 shot model).

The rifling is fine, its in perfect shape, and all I've had to do was replace the recoil spring once ONCE! that whole time.



Thats a 22lr, as long as you dont let it rust out, you can probably quadruple that... If you go to a smallbore match, it will be nothing to see a fifle there with 50k+ out of it. Thats about when they start considering a rebarrel...

As far as the origional question.. If it looks like it was taken care of, and the price is right, why not.



Usually with .22s its cleaning rod wear at the crown that screws everything up.



Exactly.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 9:38:53 AM EDT
An SKS, maybe $50-80 dollars

A Mini 14, probably wouldn't, unless it was priced about the same, and I would have to shoot it first, to demonstrate acceptable accuracy and reliability. Most mini 14's cannot even provide MOH (minute of head) accuracy when they are brand new. Any rifle that is not accurate, really has no place in the inventory. A good pistol will out shoot it.

Mini 14: An excellent example of a good concept, horribly executed. They look great, but shoot bad, unless you put another couple hundred into them, in which case you should just buy the AR.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 11:04:16 AM EDT

Originally Posted By GonzoAR15-1:
I have 23,000+ rounds out of my Marlin Model 60 from 1989 (its the 17 shot model).

The rifling is fine, its in perfect shape, and all I've had to do was replace the recoil spring once ONCE! that whole time.



Most wear occurs in the throat, the rifling should stay pretty sharp unless it was not cleaned and been taken care of.
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