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Posted: 5/20/2001 1:09:46 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/20/2001 1:14:39 PM EDT
Maybe because it doesn't penetrate armor. It does penetrate better than M193 though.
Link Posted: 5/20/2001 1:15:55 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/20/2001 1:19:00 PM EDT
They will penetrate 3/8 hot rolled steel @ 100yds and ball won't. ball will just put a little dimple.
Link Posted: 5/20/2001 1:26:47 PM EDT
like your name ! DVDA
Link Posted: 5/20/2001 1:27:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/20/2001 1:26:07 PM EDT by AKfan]
I read on the ATF page that the ss109 and 30.06 AP stuff is exempt because it has a sporting use or something like that.
Link Posted: 5/20/2001 1:31:07 PM EDT
SO! that doesn't make it not an AP round!
Link Posted: 5/20/2001 1:33:23 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DVDA: SO! that doesn't make it not an AP round!
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Who said it wasn't an AP round?
Link Posted: 5/20/2001 1:40:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/20/2001 1:40:00 PM EDT by Phil_in_Seattle]
Link Posted: 5/20/2001 1:51:24 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 7point62: like your name ! DVDA
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wonder if anyone else gets it though? [i]bring in the assf#ck twins[/i]
Link Posted: 5/20/2001 2:04:39 PM EDT
you mean, theoretically, I could have 50BMG SLAP rounds with tungsten or Dep Uranium cores??? STOCK UP TIME!!!! here barret, here boy [:)]
Link Posted: 5/20/2001 2:22:59 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/20/2001 2:26:12 PM EDT
Why isn't a dog a cat?
Link Posted: 5/20/2001 3:28:46 PM EDT
The South African ball workes for me. [img]albums.photopoint.com/j/view?u=1391821&a=11897768&p=46523803[/img].
Link Posted: 5/20/2001 3:50:32 PM EDT
I have seen SS-109 3100fps 63 grain ammo advertised as armor piercing. Is this false? Armor piercing of this nature is illegal. Right??!!
Link Posted: 5/20/2001 4:37:17 PM EDT
IT wasnt designes to be used in the anti armor role hence its not AP
Link Posted: 5/20/2001 5:08:26 PM EDT
Armor piercing 5.56 is M995. It has a tungsten core and is not (and will not be) available to civilians, except via black market. M855 (US spec for "SS109" type NATO ammo) was developed for use in the M249 SAW and adapted to the M16 for commonality. It provides enhanced penetration, but is considered "ball". Here is a nice link for you: [url]http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/556.htm[/url]
Link Posted: 5/20/2001 5:33:14 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/20/2001 6:19:55 PM EDT
Thanks WILSON I could not remember were I saw that.
Link Posted: 5/20/2001 6:24:18 PM EDT
I am Sancho......
Link Posted: 5/20/2001 6:58:56 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/20/2001 7:04:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/20/2001 7:06:16 PM EDT by AC Doctor]
The M855 rounds steel insert only accounts for 20% of the projectiles weight, which is below the 25% maximum stated by the BATF , to be considered an AP round. .30 cal black tip AP bullets can also be reloaded into .308 caliber brass, as long as the reloader does not possess a regular FFL( or has a true ammo manufacturing license). Now figure that one out. M855's are nice, but if you want to see some real metal piercing abilities, load up some 165g AP rounds in a .300 Win-Mag at 3000 fps, and you will blow through 1" cold steel all day long, at 200 yards.
Link Posted: 5/20/2001 7:09:50 PM EDT
falcon: dam! that's mighty big holes, 223?[:)]
Link Posted: 5/21/2001 2:11:51 AM EDT
I know. I think the bullit, flattened out as it was penitrating the plate. That is 1/4 inch plate. I was shooting from about 60 yeards out, with 16in barrel.
Link Posted: 5/21/2001 8:12:40 AM EDT
At 60 yds, Ball ammo will go thru 1/4" steel. It is not as clean a hole as the SS109, but hard to stop a 3200 fps bullet! The SS 109 does not even make a clang , just goes thru like it was hot butter. I have tried 3/8 steel and SS109 still goes thru good.
Link Posted: 5/21/2001 10:44:51 AM EDT
Originally Posted By WILSON: I don't know if anyone who's talking about Depleted Uranium projectiles is serious (Not that you could obtain it, even if you wanted to). That is some nasty, hot chit, & a lot of people are getting sick from it. I don't mean nasty, & hot as in good performing ammo - I mean nasty/bad as in radioactive. The military has finally admitted that there's quite a few Americans pretty sick from just walking over sand where Warthogs have laid their eggs,,, lately Warthog pilots, & munitions people have been getting the same symptoms. It's supposed to be doing a lot of damage in Iraq right now. The bad part is that it doesn't read especially hot on a geiger counter.
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"MMMMMMMMM.....DEPLETED URANIUM".....(homer simpson)..........[beer]
Link Posted: 5/21/2001 10:14:16 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/22/2001 5:56:58 AM EDT
Different armor is made of different specs. Different bullets/calibers have different capabilities. I don't care whether any round is considered AP or not. I just want a round that will do the job that I want it to. If I want something to penetrate light body armor in close quarters combat or something to penetrate a tank I will choose the best round. Whether a round is considered AP or not is just propaganda and marketing. I hope they don't ever consider the ss109 AP because the it would soon be illegal to own.
Link Posted: 5/22/2001 7:08:37 AM EDT
The 50 BMG M2 ball projectile is steel core. The 50 BMG M2 AP is an alloy steel core. There's steel core and there's hard steel core. One is AP, the other isn't. Since the SS109 projectile contains some lead, it falls out of the "legal" definition. Just because it shoots through steel plate doesn't make it legally AP. And the legal definition is all you should be really interested. If you personally want to call it AP, then go ahead.
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