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Posted: 3/8/2015 11:34:42 AM EDT
I'm thinking the M&P will be the next service pistol if the Army actually does decide to replace the M9.
Link Posted: 3/8/2015 11:36:04 AM EDT
You might be right.  I don't really see any reason to switch though.
Link Posted: 3/8/2015 11:40:33 AM EDT
Doubt it.  Lots of PDs have dropped them, Texas DPS was going to adopt them but had lots of trouble with them...

Don't see it happening.  

Link Posted: 3/8/2015 11:41:49 AM EDT
Institutional armories will fuck up the modularity of such a fine pistol, good luck getting the correct backstrap installed for your hand size, when your unit shared a supply of handguns. Just more parts for the armorers to lock up in order to maintain inventory accountability.

Glock 17 or 34 are whats up here.
Link Posted: 3/8/2015 11:42:36 AM EDT
The Army will irrationally insist on a manual safety.
Link Posted: 3/8/2015 11:44:36 AM EDT
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Available on the M&P. I'd be more worried about reliability and long term durability with the M&P.



 
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Which is offered on the M&P.
Link Posted: 3/8/2015 11:53:00 AM EDT
The Army will do what it always does. Say it is going to change to something better and more modern, hold trials, waste millions of dollars and 3 to 5 years of time and come way with nothing but saying they are staying with what they currently have.
Link Posted: 3/8/2015 11:53:44 AM EDT
The US needs to issue the same pistol the IDF issues.
Link Posted: 3/8/2015 11:54:12 AM EDT
It should be, but they won't replace the M9 for at least a decade, maybe three decades.
Link Posted: 3/8/2015 11:55:28 AM EDT
I don't get the love for the M&P. I owned one for a year or so and it was my least favorite to shoot.
Link Posted: 3/8/2015 11:56:09 AM EDT
lol
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A multitude of pistols, you mean?

 






No, we should have one general issue pistol.
Link Posted: 3/8/2015 11:57:35 AM EDT

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Also, I think they won't go for a polymer pistol.







Serious.
Link Posted: 3/8/2015 11:59:07 AM EDT
I think the main reason a Glock or similar pistol was never adopted by our military is they required a double strike capability. They don't care about manual safeties. The last major military pistol competition the winners were Beretta and Sig. Unless they change their requirements I doubt there will ever be a striker fired pistol entered. I think the only one that could enter would be the Walther P99 since it has a double action mode.
Link Posted: 3/8/2015 12:00:26 PM EDT
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They already do in limited numbers according to Sig with the SP2022.

Frankly, I'm curious if they would just go to the P226 for everyone, especially with Sig moving a lot of production over here.

Though the safe bet is they do nothing and keep issuing the M9 for a while.

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No, we should have one general issue pistol.


The don't issue.  Because pistols are stupid.
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No, we should have one general issue pistol.


The don't issue.  Because pistols are stupid.


Are you serious? Not everybody needs a pistol, and mine spent the majority of deployment locked up. But still. Other times it was invaluable. Like KLEs for concealed, ETC.
Link Posted: 3/8/2015 12:05:33 PM EDT
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I have had exactly the opposite experience. I've had my M&P for almost a year and half and it goes with me every time I go to,the range and i have not had a single problem.
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They already do in limited numbers according to Sig with the SP2022.

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Though the safe bet is they do nothing and keep issuing the M9 for a while.

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They already do in limited numbers according to Sig with the SP2022.

Frankly, I'm curious if they would just go to the P226 for everyone, especially with Sig moving a lot of production over here.

Though the safe bet is they do nothing and keep issuing the M9 for a while.


Sig 226 FTW.
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The don't issue.  Because pistols are stupid.
Pistols have their place.  I didn't mean everyone should get them.

 



There should be a single pistol for those that get them, with exceptions for unusual situations.  i.e. Criminal investigation agents that need a smaller pistol, SF, etc..
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I have had exactly the opposite experience. I've had my M&P for almost a year and half and it goes with me every time I go to,the range and i have not had a single problem.
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I have had exactly the opposite experience. I've had my M&P for almost a year and half and it goes with me every time I go to,the range and i have not had a single problem.


All mine have been solid. I wonder what issues they experienced and under what circumstances. Are the pistols failing at the 10,000 round count without a cleaning or what? What's breaking?
Link Posted: 3/8/2015 12:27:19 PM EDT
Glocks are already in use with selected US forces that deploy on a consistent basis.  However as much as I would love to see the Glock become the next service pistol, without a safety I do not believe it has a chance.  There are nations that have used the Glock to outfit armies without incidence.  

IMO, the M9 is not going anywhere anytime soon.  Units that have a requirement for an pistol that provides a different capability than the Beretta will continue to procure those weapon system platforms as needed..


ETA:  Glock 17S - Glock with a safety used in Pakistan, Israel and Tasmanian security forces.

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