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Posted: 9/12/2005 5:50:19 PM EDT
It will be a full size glock, either a 9mm or a 40 caliber. I guess the title should be 40 cal or 9mm. I know that this has been deicussed several times. But I dont know alot about ballistics and the like. The only pro to me getting a 40 cal is the wounding or the probability that I will drop someone more than likely the first time with the 40 as opposed to the 9mm. However the pros for me getting the 9mm are more bullets. More common round, cheaper, more controlabilty, less kick/recoil, if it ever came down to it and a big SHTF situation happened (GOD knows these days its gonna happen sooner or later) I think that the easyest round to find would be the 9mm. And I will be able to practice with the 9mm more than the 40 cal. I think that there both great rounds but I guess what I am asking is what is the difference between the 9mm and the 40 cal round as far as stopping power and one shot one kill goes? How big is the difference between these tow rounds. The 9mm and the 40 cal are the only considerations for me at this time, the 45 is out totally and completely. AS well as all other calibers except the 9mm and 40 cal. I was told by a Butler County Ohio SWAT officer that the 9mm (whit a good reliable hollow point +P) has the same stopping power as a 45 BALL round. Is this true? Thanks guys.
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 5:51:12 PM EDT
BTW I know it has alot to do with shot placement as well. I am only a OK shot. Average give or take a little.
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 5:52:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/12/2005 5:53:28 PM EDT by staraero]

I am only a OK shot

Link Posted: 9/12/2005 5:56:02 PM EDT
I'd recommend a revolver in .357 or a Sig in .357 Sig. You might want to expand your horizons just a titch....

Link Posted: 9/12/2005 5:56:07 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 5:56:33 PM EDT
Go with the 9mm, get a G17.

The .40S&W is more expensive to shoot, you can practice more with a 9mm. And the 9mm +P and ++P is damn near as good as the .40S&W.

Ths US Secret Service used a 9mm 115grain +P+ round before they went to the .357Sig. And the 9mm was just as good on paper as the 9mm.
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 5:57:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/12/2005 5:58:49 PM EDT by KScoltAR]
I went to the Cabelas this weekend with the intent of getting a Glock in 9mm or .45ACP. Ended up taking home the G22 in .40 S&W. Go figure. I guess there is just something about the Glock Fowtee that makes me feel professional.
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 5:59:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/12/2005 6:01:18 PM EDT by The_Beer_Slayer]
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 6:01:40 PM EDT
If I were to buy a G Lock it would have to be a 9mm!
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 6:03:32 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 6:09:54 PM EDT
If not a GLOCK then what gun I dont have the cash for an HK.
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 6:21:30 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 6:47:34 PM EDT
Why would i want to buy a new barrel for a new gun?
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 6:51:11 PM EDT
are you pro-fessunal enough to carry a glock fortay?

personally I would go for a glock 20, good compromise, fast and big
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 6:51:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By kevinR:
Why would i want to buy a new barrel for a new gun?

the unsupported region in the barrel by the feedramp

this is where most kabooms happen, and with 40S&W

get a bbl with a more supported chamber
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 6:58:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/12/2005 6:59:04 PM EDT by cruze5]
a service XD pistol, or perhaps a 92fs
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 7:18:40 PM EDT
I would get one of those Deagle's! I here you can do 100 yard head shots with them!!
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 7:27:23 PM EDT
glock forty,

don't forget that the 9mm was designed to wound soldiers not kill them.
It take more men to take care of a wounded soldier then a dead one. Those Nazi's where really good about those kinda things.

If you want to stop someone, go with more stopping power, that simple. The 3 extra rounds you get with the 9 is not worth it in terms of firepower.

Link Posted: 9/12/2005 7:38:55 PM EDT
It is all about placement in shooting which calibre does not matter much if you score hits to the chest or head. .40 has more velocity and a heavier round but 2 less in capacity (drop in .357 Sig barrels too). Neither holds any advantage versus body armor and the 9mm only carries 2 more rounds per clip, however there is the convenience of reliable 33rd mags should you need more firepower all be it unlikely.

Crux of it is this the 40 is more likely to incapacitate with non-critcal hits. Go .40S&W if you go 9mm consider the 34 rather than the 17 the extra 1'+ of barrel length better velocity and longer reach.
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 7:42:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Mattl:
2 more rounds per clip

HUH?!?!? are they top load?
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 7:45:45 PM EDT
Save your money, have kids, sent them to college, buy your wife jewelry and THEN buy whatever gun you darn well please. In fact buy one of EACH. You can never have too many.
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 7:52:36 PM EDT
9mm.,lots of ammo, and practice,practice ,practice!
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 7:54:25 PM EDT
the .40 S7W has room (be it slight, very slight) for improvement.

I've herd of 180gr rounds that break the 1000 FPS mark.

If your talking about great hollowpoint rounds that send all of their energy into the enemy then both rounds have similar Projectile Energy.

If you want to go the cheaper route get the 9mm.

If you want to go the more expensive route get the .40 S&W glock and a fully supported After Market barrel.

That's my 2 cents
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 5:29:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:

Originally Posted By glazer1972:
If I were to buy a G Lock it would have to be a 9mm!

spoken like a man that prefers to keep all of his fingers

Link Posted: 9/13/2005 8:20:19 PM EDT
Jarvis makes a nice barrel for the Glock. (and for pretty much everything else, too) Fully supported and all that good shit. When I shot competition with my Para 40 Limited, I wouldn't even pick up 40 brass that showed marks from a Glock striker. You could see case bulges from the unsupported chamber. Sooner or later one is going to give way. I saw one guy get Super faced, I bet it would be a lot worse with a plastic gun.

By the way, 1911 or nothing.
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 8:27:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Belfry_Express:

Originally Posted By kevinR:
Why would i want to buy a new barrel for a new gun?

the unsupported region in the barrel by the feedramp

this is where most kabooms happen, and with 40S&W

get a bbl with a more supported chamber

I was under the impression that the kaboom issue was related to a few serial numbers. I have one 22 and it works very nicely. No problems whatsoever.

BTW: I've been thinking about getting a 9mm kit just for flexibility in a SHTF scenario. Any recommendaitons on brand?
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 8:43:47 PM EDT
As I just said, Jarvis. Pricey, but worth it. Briley's are good, too.
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 8:51:11 PM EDT
I heard about the problem with .40 glocks on here. I own 2 so I did some digging and cannot find a single documented incident. Might not be looking hard enough but I couldn't. Go with the .40 and don't worry about cost of ammo. It's just a few bucks higher and money isn't worth your life and whether 9mm guys agree or not, a .40 cal round will put you down faster if all other variables are the same. What I'm saying is that if you take a ranger 9mm and make a dead center hit on the the sternum, it won't have as much stopping power as a .40 cal round in the exact same spot. If your worried about capacity then get extensions. I shoot USPSA with several guys that shoot 20 round mags in G35s. If your going to lay down 500 bucks on a gun, then you can afford 4 extra bucks per 100 rounds of plinking ammo. Make your practice count. As far as considering other brands goes, don't waste your time. SHTF and your running low on ammo and you find a dead cop, you have glock .40, chances are that cop has the same thing. People think I'm crazy for thinking like this, but I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that it's happened before. H&K's are probably just as good but have about twice the moving parts in them, and more moving parts means more shit to break. You can't beat a glock. They earned their slogan of "perfection" I've only had mine about 3 weeks, if that, and I've put 1500 rounds through it with only 2 cleanings and it hasn't had a hiccup once. No problems at all. My wife's 2 week old Glock 27 has one cleaning and about 700 through it. Again no problems. The VAST majority of Glock shooters will report the same. Get a Glock in .40 and you won't regret it, ever. Unless someone takes it from you. No external safety is it's only problem IMHO.
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 9:04:41 PM EDT
Glock 35 loaded with Double Tap's 200gr DPX load...
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 9:17:46 PM EDT
9 & practice
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 9:31:27 PM EDT
When it comes to pistol calibers, one rule remais a constant.

The bigger the hole, the harder they squirt.
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 9:37:36 PM EDT
I too have just purchased a G22 in .40 S&W. Like Dusty I decided to do a little research. From what I've seen, the problems with the Glocks seems to be more of a problem with reloads than factory ammo. As mentioned before, the unsupported region of the Glock's chamber may put a little more stress on the casing than some other weapons. If this same casing is reloaded, especially if it is reloaded hotter than normal, and then used in the Glock again it may have a higher probability of failure than a factory round. I'll stick with fresh casings and I'll shoot my Glock without worry, and the stock barrel! All guns are capable of catastrophic failure if the conditions are right. The only time I've seen it happen is with a .45 Springfield MC Operator. Guess what.....the guy was shooting some of his reloads.
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 9:55:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By madmann135:
the .40 S7W has room (be it slight, very slight) for improvement.

I've herd of 180gr rounds that break the 1000 FPS mark.

Yeah, it's called a ten millimeter and it 1300 fps.
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 9:56:07 PM EDT
I agree with the "get one of each" crowd. Can't have just one.
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 6:35:25 PM EDT
OK guys. If I should get a glock in 40 caliber I think as far as the price goes it will be kind of dumb to buy a brand new gun only to replace the barrel. Do glocks have a life time warrenty or what. I mean if I have to buy a new barrel for a new gun then hell Ill just buy a HK then not a glock but the problem is is that HK cost 200 - 300 more. Does anyone know how many rounds the HK USP 40 cal holds in the full size and compact size. Also if I was to never shoot reloads out of the glock 40 caliber then do I really need to worry about the KABOOM?
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 6:47:47 PM EDT
I've shot .40's, I like .40's, I've owned .40's, and I've gotten rid of my .40's. Primarily because I carry a 1911, but also because I figured if ammo is ever hard to obtain (if my stash were to run out), I want ammo that's easy to find and in large quantities. Hence, I have 9mm, .45 ACP, and 556/223, and 12 gauge. That's it for me.

And don't forget about a paragraph break now and then. Please!
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 6:55:13 PM EDT
You need to shoot as many guns as you possibly can to see which one works for you. Forget what everyone tells you and don't get your mind made up on a Glock until you know it is right for you. Try some of these first.

Beretta 92 or 96
SigArms 226 or 229
Kahr PM9
Springfield XD9
Glock 17 19 22 23
HK USP series ( I find these a bit bulky)
Smith and Wesson (Avoid the SIGMA series like the Plague though).
You could also consider a good revolver.

There are so many choices you need to try before you settle.
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 7:09:50 PM EDT
Well the choice is going to be either a 9mm or a 40 caliber. I just don't know if I want the 40 to be in a glock or not. I would rather have the 9mm because it is cheaper, but I am worried about the stoping power in a situation where I don't get a direct hit on someone. In a situation like this the bigger the bullet the better. But I don't see how a hit to the sweet spot is going to matter weither its a 9mm to the center mass or a 40 if the 9mm dont take them down then I dont see how a 40 will. A 45 maybe but I'm not looking to get a 45 just yet.
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 7:13:49 PM EDT

Sorry I couldnt resist!
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 7:20:16 PM EDT
Ha ha.
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 7:30:54 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 7:59:08 PM EDT
9mm is what? .375 caliber? damn near .40 if you want a .40 buy one don't listen to this bs about buying a new barrel from anyone who hasn't had one blow up in their hands. it's possible for any gun to kb due to extra hot loads. it's a risk you take. IMHO the .40 is a solution without a problem but thats why i primarialy own pistols in 9mm. buy whatever fits your budget, needs, & hands.
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 2:08:03 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 2:47:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Sylvan:
Every country in the world uses 9mm except for the US.
Its shot placement that counts.

What happened to the Beretta?
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