Just wondering what you guys say to the anti-gunners (or maybe even not anti, just questioning/curious) people/friends/whoever who say "well what do you really need an AK-47 for anyway?"


My friend asked me today and I didn't feel I gave a good enough argument back.  I mean besides the fact that its my right according to the constitution, he didn't want to hear that....  he was saying something along the lines of you don't hunt with that (I know you can and even with 5.56 for varmint) but anyway, just wondering on some input on what you're responses would be.



I just thought now of an anology, its like why do they make cars that can go above the speed limit, you shouldn't be speeding so why do you have to have a car able to go faster.  And I guess people can say "just incase", and to that --- thats the #1 reason I would own a gun... just incase!  And also if they try and say, well guns are dangerous and kill people blah blah ---- so are speeding cars, more so than guns.




Anyway....

i have one cause there are LOTS of badguys in the world, and some are closer to home than you think

besides, why not??!!

well, an assault rifle being one capable of selective fire, I need one because I want one and its my right to have one.  Now, I have an AR-15 "assault weapon" mainly cause it pisses people off.

Cause I can. Cause they are fun. Cause they scare liberals.

Zombies.

Quoted: Just wondering what you guys say to the anti-gunners (or maybe even not anti, just questioning/curious) people/friends/whoever who say "well what do you really need an AK-47 for anyway?" My friend asked me today and I didn't feel I gave a good enough argument back.  I mean besides the fact that its my right according to the constitution, he didn't want to hear that....  he was saying something along the lines of you don't hunt with that (I know you can and even with 5.56 for varmint) but anyway, just wondering on some input on what you're responses would be. I just thought now of an anology, its like why do they make cars that can go above the speed limit, you shouldn't be speeding so why do you have to have a car able to go faster.  And I guess people can say "just incase", and to that --- thats the #1 reason I would own a gun... just incase!  And also if they try and say, well guns are dangerous and kill people blah blah ---- so are speeding cars, more so than guns. Anyway....

Because the one I have (AR-15) is the most accurate semiauto rifle available in it's pricerange.

For what I use it for, EVERYONE uses ARs because of the accuracy issue...

For an AK? It's a piece of history... Every gun collector needs one...

Quoted: Cause I can. Cause they are fun. Cause they scare liberals.

This Works for me

Quoted: Zombies.

Yes zombies are bad  

Quoted:  he was saying something along the lines of you don't hunt with that (I know you can and even with 5.56 for varmint)

Ask him where the word "hunting" shows up anywhere in the constitution.

Quoted: Zombies.

Yep...ya never know...

Because fuck you, thats why!

Quoted: Quoted: Zombies. Yep...ya never know...

Could be any day now.

#1 Animals don't shoot back, bad people do.  

You need a gun meant for self-defense against an armed enemy, not a primitive animal you're going to eat.

#2 If there's ever a riot, and the crowds turn toward your family, the only thing you have to protect their lives is your rifle. For this, you want a rifle MADE for the job.

You wouldn't wear sandals to play tennis.  Sure they'll work, but you're screwed once you have to move around the court.

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Don't be afraid to flat out tell 'em you don't live in their fantasy Utopian land, that you are a realist that realizes rare threats can and do happen (i.e. LA Riots, Government abuse of power, etc.), and that you may actually need an "assault rifle" to "deter" people in self-defense, instead of being a sheeple like he/she (your friend) that is so naive that he/she thinks nothing bad will ever happen to them, a belief which comes from pure ignorance and stupidity.

After that, tell them that if the time ever came, and they run to your house for protection, you'll do your best not to shoot 'em but can't make any promises.

There are a lot of ways to answer this question.

Ask them why the second amendment is there.

Tell them you want t be able to defend yourself.

Tell them because the are super fun, offer to take them shooting.

Tell them because I can.

Asking them about the car is a good one also, or the big screan TV, or a stereo the never go past 4 on the volume with etc.

Quoted: Don't be afraid to flat out tell 'em you don't live in their fantasy Utopian land, that you are a realist that realizes rare threats can and do happen (i.e. LA Riots, Government abuse of power, etc.), and that you may actually need an "assault rifle" to "deter" people in self-defense, instead of being a sheeple like he/she (your friend) that is so naive that he/she thinks nothing bad will ever happen to them, a belief which comes from pure ignorance and stupidity. After that, tell them that if the time ever came, and they run to your house for protection, you'll do your best not to shoot 'em but can't make any promises. h.gif

lol you know whats funny, all my friends say "well if anything ever happens im going to your house"

and i say F' that , get your own gun and stop being a puss


But no I agree with you 100%, I don't know why I didn't think of it when he asked me, I was really tired  i guess lol...

Tell him the 2nd Amendment has absolutely jack shit to do with hunting. The right to keep and bear arms was devised with the self-defense of the individual and the American populace in mind, as well as the protection of our Constitutionally granted rights. The "Assault Rifle" is an excellent tool for the job.

Don't need a reason. Where the fuck do people get off asking me why I do what I do? Unless I am breaking the law, it's nobody's business.  I don't speak of my possessions in public, unless it is with like-minded people who share my interest.

Quoted: Tell him the 2nd Amendment has absolutely jack shit to do with hunting. The right to keep and bear arms was devised with the self-defense of the individual and the American populace in mind, as well as the protection of our Constitutionally granted rights. The "Assault Rifle" is an excellent tool for the job.

There are no such things as Constitutionally granted right.






I have been asked on occasion as to "why I need a..(fill in the gun de jour)"  If the person asking has at least a moderate level of intelligence, I tell them that need is irrelevant. It is not a matter of need, but of desire. Our right to own property, be it a lawn mower, kitchen sink, semi auto rifle, is not based upon our NEED for these things. It is our right because we are human beings. We as humans have the right to do as we please so long as we do not infringe upon the rights of others. etc etc etc

If the person asking is a shithead, I tell them I need an "assault weapon" so that I can shoot more shithead like you in a shorter period of time. I understand that there is NO POINT in discussing anything with these people as they are incapable or unwilling to listen/learn/open their minds. So I piss them off instead.

I use mine to kill people.


Sgtar15

Quoted: I use mine to kill people. Sgtar15

Just people no cats or other furred evil critters?

Quoted: Quoted: I use mine to kill people. Sgtar15 Just people no cats or other furred evil critters?

Don't be an idiot.

That's what the M1A is for!


Sgatr15

Ahh, around here I use the SKS.

If I got a shot at that Dalmation Id have to use the 8mm softpoints though

People ask me why I have a 500hp Mustang...


BECAUSE I CAN

"Why do you carry a GUN???"

"'Case I wanna put a hole in sumthin'"

"Why do you NEED an ASSAULT RIFLE???"

"'Case I wanna put a bunch of holes in sumthin' real quick."

Quoted: Quoted: Tell him the 2nd Amendment has absolutely jack shit to do with hunting. The right to keep and bear arms was devised with the self-defense of the individual and the American populace in mind, as well as the protection of our Constitutionally granted rights. The "Assault Rifle" is an excellent tool for the job. There are no such things as Constitutionally granted right. I have been asked on occasion as to "why I need a..(fill in the gun de jour)"  If the person asking has at least a moderate level of intelligence, I tell them that need is irrelevant. It is not a matter of need, but of desire. Our right to own property, be it a lawn mower, kitchen sink, semi auto rifle, is not based upon our NEED for these things. It is our right because we are human beings. We as humans have the right to do as we please so long as we do not infringe upon the rights of others. etc etc etc If the person asking is a shithead, I tell them I need an "assault weapon" so that I can shoot more shithead like you in a shorter period of time. I understand that there is NO POINT in discussing anything with these people as they are incapable or unwilling to listen/learn/open their minds. So I piss them off instead.

You read my mind!
<places tin-foil cap on>

For me it's really very simple.

I need an "assault rifle" because I am a citizen, not a subject. The state has no authority to limit the effectiveness of my chosen tools unless it's willing to forego them itself. Any weapon that has a legitimate law enforcement role is equally legitimate as a self defense tool.

(side note, I really think this is an important line to draw, if there is no legitimate need for full auto or suppressors or flash hiders or whatever in self defense then why the LE exemption? Cops don't go on the offensive in free societies. Seems to me that should be a state level decision, and any law that bans a weapon must ban it for everybody, whether they're state employees or not.)

I need it because my right to life includes the right to self defense, and my right to life is not granted by the state. The second amendment is a secondary issue, it's right there in the preamble.

Because I'm married to an assault wife!

My argument:

The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Keep
[ keep ]
verb  (past kept [ kept ], present participle keep·ing, 3rd person present singular keeps)
1. transitive and intransitive verb possess: to hold or maintain something in your possession
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bear
[ bair ] (past bore [ bawr ], past participle borne [ bawrn ], born [ bawrn ], present participle bear·ing, 3rd person present singular bears)

verb  
1. transitive and intransitive verb tolerate: to be able to endure something without great distress or annoyance ( used with a negative )

couldn’t bear to see them unhappy

2. transitive verb support something: to hold or support a weight or something heavy
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in·fringe

[ in frínj ] (past in·fringed, past participle in·fringed, present participle in·fring·ing, 3rd person present singular in·fring·es)
verb  
1. transitive verb disobey or disregard something: to fail to obey a law or regulation or observe the terms of an agreement

2. transitive and intransitive verb encroach on somebody’s rights or property: to take over land, rights, privileges, or activities that belong to somebody else, especially in a minor or gradual way
infringing on our personal freedom
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The end result is simple:
Any law that limits or denies a citizen of the United States ownership or transportation of a firearm is unconstitutional.
How can it be interpreted any other way?

If they answer anythinig other than in agreement I suggest that they get a copy of the ammentment and look up each word in the dictionary and if they can get it to equate anything else I'll give them $50.00.

I have yet to lose a dime.
Edited to add:
If they come back and even hint that it means this but they do not agree for some reason, I offer to take them to the range, then lunch, and then I find a reason to stop by the gun store to convert.

... a PE-POST from several years ago:


... READ IT ALL if you really want to know


Why do I need one of those?
Why do I need an AR-15 Assault Rifle?

About 230 ago, some incredibly gifted, wealthy, slave-owning, white guys looked at Western Civilization and undertook what is undoubtedly the most radical, profound political revolution ever conceived. Despite what the history books say, it really wasn't about taxes, or troops in people's homes, or the price of tea or any of that crap. These men were British subjects, but taxes were lower in the colonies than in Britain at the time of the Revolution, there was unprecedented freedom, particularly on the frontier, and these guys were generally the wealthy elite who could have been colonial governors if they had chosen to. They could have afforded to drink tea until they pissed pure caffeine.

Another misconception was that it was a popular revolution. I don't remember who said it, but one of those old dead white guys said that the colonists were divided roughly into thirds, one third loyalist, one third ambivalent, and one third revolutionary (sound familiar?). It took years of coercion and propaganda to motivate the general public to take up arms against the British.

What was our Revolution all about then? These guys realized, 2000 miles from their ruling country that they had an unprecedented opportunity to revolt and form a radical new self-government, where political power was vested in the People themselves, not in a ruling class.

It was an ideological revolution that is still radical today, with the Constitution as the Blueprint for Freedom. In this system, individual liberty is the beginning and end of all government activity. That is to say, government powers are only supposed to extend so far, and only with the permission of the governed. Ideally, where my rights as a citizen begin, the powers of government come to an abrupt halt. Conversely, the primary function of government is to guarantee my liberties, hence the Bill of Rights.
So what we have is an incredibly radical new power structure, one not truly duplicated anywhere else in the world.

So how does this explain why I need an AR15 assault rifle?

What the founding fathers knew, and so many of the "People" have forgotten (or never learned), is that Power is a zero sum game. If I have it, the government doesn't, and vice versa. Even many pro-gunners miss the point and we allow ourselves to be distracted with "rights" issues, that, while they exist, aren't specifically addressed by the Constitution (right to hunt, right to self-defense, etc.)

The Constitution, the Blueprint for Freedom, and the Bill of Rights, the non-expiring guarantee of liberty, are about one thing: Power. So don't get confused by other issues here.

If this is a country where Power is truly vested in the People, and the government is
LIMITED by the Constitution, then my ownership of an AR15 is off limits to the government. The Second Amendment guarantees my Right to Keep and Bear Arms, and the Constitution limits the government to very specific, narrow activities, which does not include regulating guns. So, not only is this right specifically reserved to the
People (or, even with a loose interpretation, the states), it also falls outside of the boundaries outlined in the Constitution for the Federal Govt.

Its a double whammy.

Why is it so important to us? Some people fear a tyrannical government taking over (you think they're "paranoid", despite so many historical lessons I could fill several books; but that's another thread). But most, I believe, are more like me. We still believe in the Revolution and its ideals. We ARE Revolutionaries. Power is vested in
ME, as a citizen, and not in the government. It cannot be taken without my permission, which I do not give. Remember, its a zero sum game, so if the government can infringe those liberties, they really don't exist at all, except in theory. Well, I don't want theoretical freedom. I want the real stuff.

So, some argue, we still have freedom of the press and the rest of it, why the big deal over guns? Well, the Bill of Rights is not a buffet, we don't get to pick and choose. I don't like neo-Socialist rhetoric, but I'm not calling for the abolishment of free speech, am I? Because I know that the First Amendment is also about Power - the Power of information (way deadlier than guns, in the right hands, by the way. Case in point, Hitler, whose propaganda machine convinced the Germans to commit unthinkable atrocities; I digress).

Many of us here in the U.S. see the slow, steady, reversal of our Power structure.
Our rights are becoming more "theoretical" all the time. Anyone see that Dateline NBC story on the Louisiana police who are confiscating cars and money from out of state motorists, without a trial (due process) and are not even charging them with a crime or arresting them? How about the IRS, which in case you aren't familiar, has the power to confiscate just about anything you own with the wave of a bureaucrat’s pen. Both of these are examples of activities strictly forbidden by the Constitution and Bill of Rights, yet it happens all the time and there are many more examples beyond these.

So you see, it's not just the Second Amendment where the reversal of Power is evident. Anymore, it seems that the Constitution is just a shell and government doesn't exist for the people, rather the people (taxpayers) exist for the government.

So, like the colonists at Lexington and Concord, this is the issue where we choose to make our stand. Not over taxes, which are atrocious or unreasonable search and seizure, which is rampant, or the separation of powers (who said Klinton could declare war all by himself, anyway?) or any of that other stuff, but over my AR15. Why? Because like our forefathers (80 civilians on a bridge against 1800 regular troops; how committed were they?), we realize its the foundation of Real Power. Without a weapon capable of providing adequate resistance to overthrow an unjust, un-Constitutional government, the rest of those rights truly are hollow, no longer belong to the people, and can be rescinded at any time by the government (many feel we're already past that point). And then they are not rights, they're privileges.
If the government can take my AR15, or restrict the amount of ammunition it holds, or restrict further purchases of "Assault Weapons" then the revolution is dead and so are the ideals countless thousands have died for. There's a reason for the Second
Amendment and gun ownership (ESPECIALLY assault rifles), a reason those colonists on that bridge understood; its the last of my rights to go.

THAT'S why I need an AR15 assault rifle.

- Unknown AR15.com author

That is a brilliant post! (re-post?)

I have several because if GI Joe call have his all these years and never misuse it ,then I fell I should be able to own the same priviledges.I also think its neat to have them because I'm a responsible adult .

I don't own an "Assault Rifle"



I DO however have a safe stocked full of Homeland Defense Weapons!
and I took an oath many years ago to defend the Consitution of the United States against ALL ENEMIES both foreign AND domestic. That oath did not come with an expiration date and is still in full force as it was on the day that I swore to it.

Because it is my RIGHT.

I don't have to justify SHIT for any pussy gun-grabber.

Get different friends.

This one of yours sounds like a homo....

It's a matter of choice.  That tends to work as good as anything.  Because I chose to, in the same way that I have the choice of what books to read.

Quoted: Because fuck you, thats why!

+1

How many pairs of shoes do you have? wait you only have 2 feet!!

How many different screw drivers do you have? you only have 2 hands!!

And if that doesnt get em, i just tell them my collection i had, before i lost it in the boating accident, is to make up for my small penis. They usually don't have anything else to say at that point.

Why do you need to ask stupid questions?

Basically, my answer to that question is that I NEED my RIGHTS!  And I have the right to keep and bear arms and the right to defend myself with lethal force.  I don't have to justify the particular gun I use to anyone.
Period.

It has nothing to do with need.  It has everything to do with want.

Plus, as we all know, the 2nd doesn't even have the work "hunt' in it so it has nothing to do with hunting.

Quoted: Quoted:  he was saying something along the lines of you don't hunt with that (I know you can and even with 5.56 for varmint)   Ask him where the word "hunting" shows up anywhere in the constitution.

+1

This whole "hunting" thing is nothing but horse shit fed to the public by liberal pukes.
The 2nd amendment does not guarentee your right to frickin HUNT!
It guarentees your right not to be subjecated by the damn Guberment and to overthrow said .gov if it becomes too oppressive.

Just say "I'll tell you why I need it if you'll answer just one question..."Do I have the right to own it?" and if they answer no, then why bother...if yes, then tell 'em the truth, tell them you like to shoot, you like the esthetics of firearms, you believe you have a right to defend yourself and your family and sometimes it's the right tool for the job.  Want to go shooting with me next week?"

Sometimes I think they're just trying out an argument on you like when kids get after their parents and say "why do I have to go?"  The firmer you are in your argument (doesn't matter if it makes sense to them) the better off you are.  Lots of people will try to "yeah but" you till you are frustrated, again, just like your kids.  Ask them to go shooting, show them the real differences in guns and what they can do...not much to lose there.  Until people try something they often are of two attitudes, really anxious to try or defensive and stand-offish, somewhat embarassed they've never taken the opportunity or grown up in such a sheltered environment that it was never an option....like NASCAR...  Truly some of the latter FEAR guns in the classic sense of the word, False Expectations Already Realized.

AR'S are good weapons.  While the military counterparts are standard issue for soldiers they are also given to truck drivers and others whose main job is not combat per se.  Why?...to defend themselves mostly as they aren't being sent looking for trouble on patrol.  The point here is that sometimes the trouble finds you and in this world it might find you right here in the good old USA.  For us it's just an insurance policy against the day you might need it and not be able to get it.  On your insurance policy it states you're not insured against acts of war or terrorism so in the long run it's prudent to prepare for something worse than the lights being out for an hour but it's all an INDIVIDUAL decision, whatever you feel comfortable with.

Because when the aliens come we are gonna have to fight back so they don't turn the world into another body farm to feed thier home planet!!! Zombie attacks are on the rise! Because the Ice cream man had only one left and he gave it to me. Because I don't want our country to turn out like England, Austrailia , Canada and the rest of the world. Reason? We don't need no stinkin reason! Because they are available. I collect them like some people collect Beanie Babys and Cabbage Patch dolls, they are just SOOOO CUTE!!! And all the accessories!! I want to keep the gun companys in business. To piss off the liberals.

thanks WW

For assaults.  

Need?   What does that have to do with it?


I live in America, a country where what I own isn't based on NEED.


Do you need an SUV?  A car even?  A single family home?  More than 1 pair of shoes?


This is a America, not communist USSR.  Need doesn't have anything to do with it.

Quoted: "Why do you carry a GUN???" "'Case I wanna put a hole in sumthin'" "Why do you NEED an ASSAULT RIFLE???" "'Case I wanna put a bunch of holes in sumthin' real quick."

just ask them why they "need" their big fancy SUV. They are dangerous, flip over, ride up on little cars in an accident, pollute and reek havoc on those with allergies. They have no "need unless they are ranchers or some sort of outdoorsmen. Need never was a question. If we only had what we needed we'd be communists not capitalists.

Hell, tell them that you have disposable income and nothing to spend it on, You're a F$%#ing patriot for helping the economy by adding desperately needed money to the system

Why do I need an Assault Rifle?

1. The Second Amendment to the US Constitution guarantees that the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

2. The Constitution of the State of Michigan grants each person the right to keep and bear arms for defense of himself and defense of the State.

3. Under existing Federal Law passed int 1982 every able bodied male between the ages of 15 and 45 who is an American Citizen or has declared their intent to become an American Citizen is a member of the unorganized militia.

4a. The President of the United States, the Vice President of the United States, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of Homeland Security, the CIA, the FBI, and the US State Deparment have all at one time stated that international terrorists have the means and desire to strike United States with chemical and biological weapons, and possibly nuclear weapons.

4b. US forces captured material in Afghanistan that include video tapes of Al Queda successfully testing chemical weapons on dogs with the intent of using these weapons in a terrorist attack.

4c. Retired General Tommy Franks has stated that if a terrorist attack on the United States were to be executed using WMD's then the US Constitution would be permenantly suspended and martial law would be imposed.

5. The United States Supreme Court has ruled, as have the Supreme Courts of 7 states that police departments do not have a responsibility to provide protection to individuals within a community, but to communities as a whole.

6. The ballistic science clearly shows that the "high powered military ammunition" used in an AR-15 is safer and more effective for defensive purposes in urban environments and home defese scenarios than shotgun or handgun ammunition. This is due to fragmentation of the projectile (see the ammo-oracle)

Savvy?

Just wondering what you guys say to the anti-gunners (or maybe even not anti, just questioning/curious) people/friends/whoever who say "well what do you really need an AK-47 for anyway?"

I say that I dont have enough money to collect go-fast cars, nor enough room to collect / build model railroad layouts, so I collect "Semi-Automatic Military Style Rifles".

Besides that, one of my "Semi-Automatic Military Style Rifles" works better at keeping looters off my block after a Hurricane than a section of H.O. scale track

echo6

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