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9/22/2017 12:11:25 AM
Posted: 8/16/2001 10:14:32 AM EDT
if and when i get a concealed carry permit, i will get a small beretta .25 (jetfire i believe?) anyway, about ten years ago, i saw one carried in a wallet-sized holster which actually was a wallet with a trigger hole cut out, and another for the slide-operation. since then, i have heard that these wallet holsters have been banned. so my questions are: 1) are they banned? 2) if so, is it a federal or state ban? 3) if banned, can i purchase/use one that was built before the ban? thanx in advance!
Link Posted: 8/16/2001 10:38:32 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/16/2001 10:41:24 AM EDT
BATF decided these things were NFA weapons (AOW's) when a gun was concealed within the wallet/holster. I'm not sure if you're supposed to register the wallet or the gun as the AOW, but one of them would have to be. Ever since that opinion, I don't think anyone has been making them - probably for fear that they'd have to register each wallet as an AOW, thus making them almost impossible to sell.
Link Posted: 8/16/2001 10:56:12 AM EDT
In addition to any federal prohibitions, many states prohibit "wallet guns." A pocket holster that remains in the pocket when you draw the weapon may not be illegal. There is no such thing as a "pre-ban" walletgun. SGB is wrong again.
Link Posted: 8/16/2001 3:09:22 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/16/2001 5:03:21 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/17/2001 3:54:42 AM EDT
Skip out on the Keltech, Go forth and find ye a NAA Guardian (either .32 or .380) or a Seecamp. Finest small bore / tiny framed weapons out there. Oh yeah, Last time I went a lookin' for a wallet holster, I was told that if you didn't have to remove the weapon from the holster (ie the wallet holster you describe) to fire it, that the holster became AOW. Best bet, call your local ATF and ask. Then let me know what you find out. I got a Seecamp just dyin for a wallet holster. That and I live in a state just dying for CCW. We've had 100 shootings since April in my town.
Link Posted: 8/17/2001 6:26:12 AM EDT
While it hasn't been codified into the CFR, BATF definitely takes stance that a gun concealed within a wallet-holster is an AOW. Bardwell has two letters to this effect: [url]http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/user/wbardwel/public/nfalist/atf_letter18.txt[/url] [url]http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/user/wbardwel/public/nfalist/atf_letter19.txt[/url]
Link Posted: 8/17/2001 7:31:24 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/19/2001 9:24:34 AM EDT by rkbar15]
You'd be better off hitting the assailant over the head with the wallet then shooting him with the .25.[:D] Seriously, other then the tiny size it doesn't have much to offer for a defensive weapon.
Link Posted: 8/17/2001 9:20:09 AM EDT
SGB, That you are too lazy to do your own Internet research is not my problem. That you persist in giving bad advice and information and are unrepentent and boorish when your errors are exposed is also not my problem. If you want the information, go to [url]www.google.com[/url] and start searching. If you need a definition for the word "boorish," try a dictionary. rkbar15, I agree that the .25 ACP isn't much, but as we all know, the first rule of gunfighting is to have a gun. My bottom line is 9mm (Kahr K9)with a .40 Auto (P229 or SW40C with hicaps) as my normal carry weapon.
Link Posted: 8/17/2001 9:39:52 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/17/2001 10:12:03 AM EDT by SGB]
Link Posted: 8/17/2001 10:20:40 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/19/2001 9:23:03 AM EDT by rkbar15]
I saw pics of a woman who walked into a hospital emergency room who was shot 6 times in the head with a .25. The rounds never penetrated her skull. Talk about being hardheaded![:D] A .22 rf or .22 rfm would be a better choice. I also saw pics of a bad guy who was shot 34 times in the torso with a 9 MM FMJ who was able to return controlled fire. He eventually died. A 9 MM with the proper loads is the absolute minimum I would consider a defensive round. A .40, 10 MM or the mighty .45 ACP is a much better choice.
Link Posted: 8/17/2001 11:16:08 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/17/2001 11:13:05 AM EDT by prebans]
It's no good without NFA registration. 1. The gun by itself is okay. 2. The wallet holster by itself is okay. 3. Having the two together requires AOW registration. Mind you that NOWEHERE is it written that this combo is illegal. The BATF interprepted the combination together to be the loss of a grip; a "no-gripped gun." Therefore, it's an AOW. Note that some states ban or restrict "wallet-guns," too. [b]TIP:[/b] An AOW transfer is $5. Making an AOW costs $200 for an unlicensed person. So, instead of you paying $200 for the privilege of opening the wallet and setting the pistol inside, have a Class II do it for you. Then, have him transfer it to you for $5.
Link Posted: 8/17/2001 12:54:38 PM EDT
wow, thanks guys! i was actually wondering if the .25 is any good, i figure they make 'em for a reason, so... also, an AOW is one of the only (if not THE only) toys they allow us in this state - (PA here i come!) anyway, what do you think of the North American Arms .22 family of revolvers?? i'm really into the ultra-concealed, completely un-noticable carry arms for various reasons. thanks again!
Link Posted: 8/17/2001 1:37:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/17/2001 1:36:15 PM EDT by shaggy]
Fattym4 - You like small & concealable? Check out the GemTech .380 LDE... When you open the page, its the one with the pull-ring in the pic. [url]http://www.gem-tech.com/pengun.html[/url]
Link Posted: 8/18/2001 10:08:59 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/19/2001 12:29:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/19/2001 12:24:53 AM EDT by Dave_G]
Yup, Unrepentant and boorish. To paraphrase you, SGB: "You're not part of the Solution, you are the problem"
Link Posted: 8/19/2001 5:59:29 AM EDT
Originally Posted By shaggy: Fattym4 - You like small & concealable? Check out the GemTech .380 LDE... When you open the page, its the one with the pull-ring in the pic. [url]http://www.gem-tech.com/pengun.html[/url]
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holy shite! that is the coolest gun i've ever seen! AOW here i come...too bad they won't let me have the suppressor here [V] ...it would look great next to my spy-camera collection too...[;)]
Link Posted: 8/19/2001 12:33:20 PM EDT
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