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Posted: 10/14/2004 10:01:55 PM EST
It's on AMC now. Any Infantry officer such watch this.
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 10:13:16 PM EST
Got it at home on DVD.

Great flick!
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 10:15:26 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 10:16:34 PM EST
I think I saw it once,
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 10:22:21 PM EST
Good movie, you should also try Zulu Dawn. Don't rush out and buy it, but at least look at it.
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 10:26:17 PM EST
I think I have seen Zulu about 150 times.
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 10:27:52 PM EST

Originally Posted By ScoutOut:
It's on AMC now. Any Infantry officer such watch this.



Not to mention Engineers!
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 10:35:32 PM EST

Originally Posted By Da_Bunny:

Originally Posted By ScoutOut:
It's on AMC now. Any Infantry officer such watch this.



Not to mention Engineers!


Yes
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 10:40:42 PM EST

Originally Posted By ScoutOut:
It's on AMC now. Any Infantry officer such watch this.


I just noticed I typed "such" instead of "should"...my bad.
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 11:07:32 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 12:56:14 AM EST

Originally Posted By ScoutOut:
It's on AMC now. Any Infantry officer such watch this.



Really good movie for the time period. Naturally, no computer generated gore. There is a nice web site about the battle if you want additional info about it. Shows what can be done by a rifle 'with some guts behind it'.

wganz

Link Posted: 10/15/2004 1:02:54 AM EST
Great movie...I actually read an article on Lts. Bromhead and Chard. Apparently they weren't considered particularly good officers, which was why they were stuck out at Rourke's Drift. Both were fairly senior and had never been selected for promotion; I believe Bromhead had been an Lt. for something like 11 years before the battle. I think they both got jumped up to Major after the battle and only one of them, Chard I believe, was ever promoted again.

The guy's take on the whole situation was the basic sturdiness of the British officer and enlisted man, even those who weren't particularly outstanding. And, of course, the short chamber Boxer Henry point 45 caliber miracle.
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 1:05:59 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/15/2004 1:12:11 AM EST by PaDanby]
At Rorke's Drift, eleven Victoria Crosses were awarded. Seven to the 2nd Battalion, 24th (2nd Warwickshire) Regiment of Foot, one to the Army Medical Department, one to the Royal Engineers, one to the Commissariat and Transport Department and one to the Natal Native Contingent.

From www.rorkesdrift.org/myths/songwords.htm

Men of Harlech media.mudcat.org/MIDI/HARLCH.MID

Modern Words used by Regimental Band

Tongues of fire on Idris flaring,
news of foe-men near declaring,
to heroic deeds of daring,
call you Harlech men

Groans of wounded peasants drying,
wails of wives and children flying,
for the distant succour crying,
call you Harlech men.

Shall the voice of wailing,
now be unavailing,
You to rouse who never yet
in battles hour were failing,

His our answer crowds down pouring
swift as winter torrents roaring,
Not in vain the voice imploring,
call on Harlech men

Loud the martial pipes are sounding
every manly heart is bounding
As our trusted chief surrounding,
march we Harlech men.

Short the sleep the foe is taking,
ere the morrows morn is breaking,
They shall have a rude awakening,
roused by Harlech men.

Mothers cease your weeping,
calm may be your sleeping,
you and yours in safety now
the Harlech men are keeping,

ere the sun is high in heaven
they you fear by panic riven
shall like frightened sheep be driven,
far by Harlech men.

Special words created for the film Zulu in 1964

Men of Harlech stop your dreaming
Can't you see their spear points gleaming
See their warrior's pennants streaming
To this battle field

Men of Harlech stand ye steady
It cannot be ever said ye
For the battle were not ready
Stand and never yield

Form the hills rebounding
Let this war cry sounding
Summon all at Cambria's call
The mighty force surrounding

Men of Harlech onto glory
This shall ever be your story
Keep these fighting words before ye
Cambria (Welshmen never) will not yield

Hook , you're not dead. I saw you. Answer the roll.
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 1:08:04 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/15/2004 5:39:29 PM EST by Noname]
www.rorkesdriftvc.com/vc/chard.htm



www.rorkesdriftvc.com/vc/bromhead.htm



www.rorkesdriftvc.com/defenders/bourne.htm

Colour Sergeant Bourne DCM, (2459 B Co. 24th. Regiment) died in 1945! He was 91.





Link Posted: 10/15/2004 1:35:19 AM EST
I'd love to stick an assegai in this Commie cocksucker:

http://www.rorkesdriftvc.com/zulu_perspective.htm

Note the disclaimer:

This account is not written by the authors of rorkesdriftvc.com and as such is represented as it was written by the author, Themba Mthethwa. Please contact him directly should you have any comments. This is designed to portray a Zulu perspective on the stories of Isandhlwana and Rorke's Drift, and does not necessarily constitute the opinions of this site.
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 1:51:06 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/15/2004 1:51:43 AM EST by cyanide]

Originally Posted By PaDanby:
At Rorke's Drift, eleven Victoria Crosses were awarded. Seven to the 2nd Battalion, 24th (2nd Warwickshire) Regiment of Foot, one to the Army Medical Department, one to the Royal Engineers, one to the Commissariat and Transport Department and one to the Natal Native Contingent.

From www.rorkesdrift.org/myths/songwords.htm

Men of Harlech media.mudcat.org/MIDI/HARLCH.MID

Modern Words used by Regimental Band

Tongues of fire on Idris flaring,
news of foe-men near declaring,
to heroic deeds of daring,
call you Harlech men

Groans of wounded peasants drying,
wails of wives and children flying,
for the distant succour crying,
call you Harlech men.

Shall the voice of wailing,
now be unavailing,
You to rouse who never yet
in battles hour were failing,

His our answer crowds down pouring
swift as winter torrents roaring,
Not in vain the voice imploring,
call on Harlech men

Loud the martial pipes are sounding
every manly heart is bounding
As our trusted chief surrounding,
march we Harlech men.

Short the sleep the foe is taking,
ere the morrows morn is breaking,
They shall have a rude awakening,
roused by Harlech men.

Mothers cease your weeping,
calm may be your sleeping,
you and yours in safety now
the Harlech men are keeping,

ere the sun is high in heaven
they you fear by panic riven
shall like frightened sheep be driven,
far by Harlech men.

Special words created for the film Zulu in 1964

Men of Harlech stop your dreaming
Can't you see their spear points gleaming
See their warrior's pennants streaming
To this battle field

Men of Harlech stand ye steady
It cannot be ever said ye
For the battle were not ready
Stand and never yield

Form the hills rebounding
Let this war cry sounding
Summon all at Cambria's call
The mighty force surrounding

Men of Harlech onto glory
This shall ever be your story
Keep these fighting words before ye
Cambria (Welshmen never) will not yield

Hook , you're not dead. I saw you. Answer the roll.




click here to hear the above song
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 1:58:24 AM EST
"Zulu" is a fantastic movie. The first time I saw it, I must've been 12 or so. I was enthralled even at that young age. Even the musical score was very good.

The final battle sequence was numbing, with the line of Brits facing the assaulting Zulus.
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 2:13:53 AM EST
Haven't figured out yet how to use my tank platoon in a position where I can yell out.. "Rear rank.. Fire! Front rank.. Fire!! Advance!! Front rank.. Fire!!! Advance!!"

NTM
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 2:26:59 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 2:58:19 AM EST
Saw it during modern history at school.

For weeks, we went "lulululululululululululululululu" at each other, while those who didnt do mod hist went "WTF mate?"
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 3:01:17 AM EST
One of my favorites flicks - watch it every time it comes on, to my wife's dismay! Have it on tape and DVD too (just to be safe).

"Take......command...."
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 3:32:40 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/15/2004 3:36:40 AM EST by 95thFoot]

Originally Posted By cyanide:

Originally Posted By PaDanby:
At Rorke's Drift, eleven Victoria Crosses were awarded. Seven to the 2nd Battalion, 24th (2nd Warwickshire) Regiment of Foot, one to the Army Medical Department, one to the Royal Engineers, one to the Commissariat and Transport Department and one to the Natal Native Contingent.

From www.rorkesdrift.org/myths/songwords.htm

Men of Harlech media.mudcat.org/MIDI/HARLCH.MID

Modern Words used by Regimental Band

Tongues of fire on Idris flaring,
news of foe-men near declaring,
to heroic deeds of daring,
call you Harlech men

Groans of wounded peasants drying,
wails of wives and children flying,
for the distant succour crying,
call you Harlech men.

Shall the voice of wailing,
now be unavailing,
You to rouse who never yet
in battles hour were failing,

His our answer crowds down pouring
swift as winter torrents roaring,
Not in vain the voice imploring,
call on Harlech men

Loud the martial pipes are sounding
every manly heart is bounding
As our trusted chief surrounding,
march we Harlech men.

Short the sleep the foe is taking,
ere the morrows morn is breaking,
They shall have a rude awakening,
roused by Harlech men.

Mothers cease your weeping,
calm may be your sleeping,
you and yours in safety now
the Harlech men are keeping,

ere the sun is high in heaven
they you fear by panic riven
shall like frightened sheep be driven,
far by Harlech men.

Special words created for the film Zulu in 1964

Men of Harlech stop your dreaming
Can't you see their spear points gleaming
See their warrior's pennants streaming
To this battle field

Men of Harlech stand ye steady
It cannot be ever said ye
For the battle were not ready
Stand and never yield

Form the hills rebounding
Let this war cry sounding
Summon all at Cambria's call
The mighty force surrounding

Men of Harlech onto glory
This shall ever be your story
Keep these fighting words before ye
Cambria (Welshmen never) will not yield

Hook , you're not dead. I saw you. Answer the roll.




click here to hear the above song



Great tune, but nobody at Rorke's Drift sang it.

They sang the regimental song, "The Warwickshire Lads", because the regiment was not a Welsh regiment yet. Few if any Welshmen were in the regiment, despite its home base being near Wales. Welshmen as a rule were not nationalistic at this time; it wasn't until the renaissance of the Welsh nationalist movement for preservation of language and culture in the 1960s, started in no small part by Stanley Baker himself and others (!), that Welsh was spoken and taught in schools again and used in mass media.

The film was made not just to make money but to prove a political point, to advance the cause of Welsh nationalism. The fact that the director was a Communist who had been driven out of Hollywood in the Red scares of the late 1940s wasn't surprising either, a natural sympathizer for (what he saw as) the downtrodden class fighting against the stupidity of their masters. Welsh and Zulu- both held down by the English....

The movie's fun, folks, but like Mel Gibson's "The Patriot", it's really BAD history. It is full of so many historical inaccuracies enough to make one wince. These men were heroic enough, without cinematic padding of their stories and making them into cardboard comic book characters.


Chard: The army doesn't like more than one disaster in a day.
Bromhead: Looks bad in the newspapers and upsets civilians at their
breakfast.

Link Posted: 10/15/2004 12:17:04 PM EST
It's on AMC again right now!

"5-rounds, independent fire!"
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 12:36:27 PM EST
Preceeded by what was basically the British equivalent of Little-Bighorn

The diff, is that the indians who beat Custer had better rifles than the Cavalry did...

The Martini-rifle, though prone to stuck cartridges, was far better than the weapons posessed by the Zulus....
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 12:43:48 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/15/2004 1:03:11 PM EST by vito113]

Originally Posted By Dave_A:
Preceeded by what was basically the British equivalent of Little-Bighorn

The diff, is that the indians who beat Custer had better rifles than the Cavalry did...

The Martini-rifle, though prone to stuck cartridges, was far better than the weapons posessed by the Zulus....



Sort of true, Custer was an idiot who was outnumbered and showed poor tactics, even with better rifles he would have been wiped out, but the Zulu's were superb light infantry with excellent tactics…



Slightly off topic…

HMS Lancaster (a Royal Navy Type 23 Frigate) has an African Grey Parrot called Sunny as ships mascot… whenever it see's the guys running to action stations it starts squaking at the top of it's voice "Zulus' Sir… Thousands of 'em!"…



It's in the 'bad books' at the moment…recently Senior Flag Officer came aboard with lots of VIP's including some very refined Ladys… so to keep the parrot quite they put a balnket over his cage… parrot promptly started yelling 'Who's turned the fuckin lights out!"


Andy
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 1:19:59 PM EST
NFL Films uses it a lot as background music for the football films.

Even the Charlotte Church version where she's backed up by the Welsh Mens Choir is stirring.
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 5:28:11 PM EST
Colour Sergeant Bourne DCM, (2459 B Co. 24th. Regiment) died in 1945! He was 91.


My favorite character!

Great movie, seen it many times.
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 5:34:34 PM EST
No telling how many times I saw it while stationed at Ft Bragg. It was pretty popular there in the mid '80's.
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 6:57:03 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/15/2004 6:58:36 PM EST by napalm]

Originally Posted By vito113:
but the Zulu's were superb light infantry with excellent tactics…



Listen to this guy from Rorke's Drift:


They had traveled in excess of 100km on foot, for almost five days they had little sleep and little to eat. They had to fight in the dark, which was not within the Zulu army fighting skills and tactics. The fortitude to attack the fortified position of the British army through out the night has to be applauded.



Oh boo fucking hoo! Boohoohoo!

I guess this guy just doesn't realize that it's just a good idea to make your enemy fight on YOUR terms! Waah waah! Poor Zulus.




HMS Lancaster (a Royal Navy Type 23 Frigate) has an African Grey Parrot called Sunny as ships mascot… whenever it see's the guys running to action stations it starts squaking at the top of it's voice "Zulus' Sir… Thousands of 'em!"…







It's in the 'bad books' at the moment…recently Senior Flag Officer came aboard with lots of VIP's including some very refined Ladys… so to keep the parrot quite they put a balnket over his cage… parrot promptly started yelling 'Who's turned the fuckin lights out!"



double

Link Posted: 10/15/2004 7:01:21 PM EST
A second nomination for watching Zulu Dawn as well - about the events of the day before, where the Zulu's pummled the Brits at Isandlwana. Supposedly, the last official order given at Isandlwana was "fix bayonets and die like British soldiers"

But, even Zulu Dawn is not quite historically correct, because the IMPLICATION is that the colours were saved, but historically the colours were lost, and captured by Cetswayo (sp?)
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 7:04:17 PM EST

Originally Posted By vito113:
Slightly off topic…

HMS Lancaster (a Royal Navy Type 23 Frigate) has an African Grey Parrot called Sunny as ships mascot… whenever it see's the guys running to action stations it starts squaking at the top of it's voice "Zulus' Sir… Thousands of 'em!"…

img.photobucket.com/albums/v133/macandy/sunny.jpg

It's in the 'bad books' at the moment…recently Senior Flag Officer came aboard with lots of VIP's including some very refined Ladys… so to keep the parrot quite they put a balnket over his cage… parrot promptly started yelling 'Who's turned the fuckin lights out!"


Andy



Fcking hilarious, Andy- brilliant!
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 7:21:05 PM EST
Forgot to mention that in the 70's at San Quentin whenever Zulu was shown on the tube it was changed.

Too many riots.
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