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Posted: 10/2/2005 8:06:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/2/2005 8:18:44 PM EDT by david_g17]
www.m90.org/gallery/video/teachgoesnuts.wmv

i nominate this guy for teacher of the year (the opposite of what the morons who filmed it wanted).

ETA: IT'S NOT THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 8:09:47 PM EDT
I fail to see a problem.
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 8:11:13 PM EDT
In a free country, people aren't forced to stand and/or pledge of allegiance to a government.
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 8:13:48 PM EDT
Shit. That's what I go through with my class on a daily basis for the Pledge of Allegiance. I will keep doing it, too. I HATE it when dumbshits disrespect this country.
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 8:14:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/2/2005 8:15:24 PM EDT by david_g17]

Originally Posted By CeramicGod:
In a free country, people aren't forced to stand and/or pledge of allegiance to a government.



lmao, it's not like the teacher took him outside and shot the kid.

no pledge was spoken, btw.
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 8:15:34 PM EDT
doesnt work for me
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 8:16:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Makarov_Mami:
Shit. That's what I go through with my class on a daily basis for the Pledge of Allegiance. I will keep doing it, too. I HATE it when dumbshits disrespect this country.



Freedom to do so is theirs period. You don't have to like it, it is thier right. I really don't see the neccessity of the P.O.A. anyway. I swear no loyalty to any politician or dictator, period. If they want to sit down or not observe oh well, not my place to make them.
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 8:17:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/2/2005 8:18:35 PM EDT by twonami]
they don't have to stand but they should at least be quiet out of respect.
The teacher will probably lose his job over this unfortunately
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 8:17:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Justa_TXguy:
doesnt work for me



www.m90.org/view_image.php?image_id=3579

maybe this one works better? (possibly NSFW)
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 8:24:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/2/2005 8:27:35 PM EDT by The_Macallan]

Damn fucking shithead punks can't keep their shitheaded mouths shut for just thirty fucking seconds without giggling like a bunch of dopestoned dumbass losers

Link Posted: 10/2/2005 8:28:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Specop_007:
I fail to see a problem.




+1
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 8:32:05 PM EDT
little looters, like those kids, are making me see the benefits of abortion
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 8:33:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By tfod:
little looters, like those kids, are making me see the benefits of abortion



Extreme late term abortion. Like 16 years late term.
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 8:42:46 PM EDT
I cant say that I DISagree with the teacher.. He looks old enough to have fought in Vietnam maybe? Im sure he has a great passion for our country.. sadly... I bet he looses his job...
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 8:49:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Mattl:

Originally Posted By Makarov_Mami:
Shit. That's what I go through with my class on a daily basis for the Pledge of Allegiance. I will keep doing it, too. I HATE it when dumbshits disrespect this country.



Freedom to do so is theirs period. You don't have to like it, it is thier right. I really don't see the neccessity of the P.O.A. anyway. I swear no loyalty to any politician or dictator, period. If they want to sit down or not observe oh well, not my place to make them.



Spoken like a true self centered liberal !



Link Posted: 10/2/2005 8:49:08 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 8:49:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FlyByWire:
I cant say that I DISagree with the teacher.. He looks old enough to have fought in Vietnam maybe? Im sure he has a great passion for our country.. sadly... I bet he looses his job...

Yep.

Kinda like giggling through a Holocaust documentary in History class with an pissed off Auschwitz survivor for a teacher.


Damn fucking punks should be airdropped into Mogadishu for a week. See how they feel about hearing the Star Spangled Banner after that.

Link Posted: 10/2/2005 8:50:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/2/2005 8:51:46 PM EDT by SgtWhiting]

Originally Posted By Mattl:

Originally Posted By Makarov_Mami:
Shit. That's what I go through with my class on a daily basis for the Pledge of Allegiance. I will keep doing it, too. I HATE it when dumbshits disrespect this country.



Freedom to do so is theirs period. You don't have to like it, it is thier right. I really don't see the neccessity of the P.O.A. anyway. I swear no loyalty to any politician or dictator, period. If they want to sit down or not observe oh well, not my place to make them.



Spoken like a true self centered liberal !

Eta: don't know why this posted twice.



Link Posted: 10/2/2005 8:50:59 PM EDT
I'd pop that little punk brat right in the mouth.

"are you seriously going to take the chair out from underneath me?"

WAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH, cry me a river punk.




Link Posted: 10/2/2005 8:53:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FlyByWire:
I cant say that I DISagree with the teacher.. He looks old enough to have fought in Vietnam maybe? Im sure he has a great passion for our country.. sadly... I bet he looses his job...



Good. He's not in school to teach political ideologies.

I have yet to see a text book in a public school that has a damned thing to do with the requirement of standing for any pledge or anthem.

On the other hand, like any solemn affair, any child who chooses not to stand can damned well shut his mouth and be respectful.
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 8:56:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SgtWhiting:

Originally Posted By Mattl:

Originally Posted By Makarov_Mami:
Shit. That's what I go through with my class on a daily basis for the Pledge of Allegiance. I will keep doing it, too. I HATE it when dumbshits disrespect this country.



Freedom to do so is theirs period. You don't have to like it, it is thier right. I really don't see the neccessity of the P.O.A. anyway. I swear no loyalty to any politician or dictator, period. If they want to sit down or not observe oh well, not my place to make them.



Spoken like a true self centered liberal !

Eta: don't know why this posted twice.




Libertarian not liberal. Socialism is cancer, but if freedom is an ideology than I am liberal on that, I am anti Gov. growth period. So while I always said the pledge and stood for the National Anthem, right of dissent or apathy is still a right. So what do you propose summary execution in front of the school for his differing opinion or apathy.



Link Posted: 10/2/2005 8:58:49 PM EDT
This is part of what is wrong with this country. Most teachers don't respect this country and are big libs, and the ones that aren't, don't know how to set a positive example for students.

The students, on the other hand, are brought up in such a politically corect society and at the same time socially liberal home life, they are unable to comprehend an angry teacher taking their chair from them. As harmless an act that taking the chair away was, it is perceived as a violent assault on this young boys person. He actually believes he has been wronged, and that the teacher is in big trouble. (sadly the teacher will likely UNJUSTLY loose his job)

Did you hear how offended the poor little punk was when the teacher took his chair. He couldn't believe what had just happened.
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 8:59:10 PM EDT
Exactly why I could never even consider teaching anything. These people send their little heathens out in society and expect everyone to coddle to them.

And for you libtards around here,

Did you fail to hear the National Anthem. Yes you stand for it damnit!



I truly feel sorry for all teachers.


And that little asshole should be drug out back and beaten. Wana be grown? Take this grown ass whippin.
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 9:02:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DoorKicker:
This is part of what is wrong with this country. Most teachers don't respect this country and are big libs, and the ones that aren't, don't know how to set a positive example for students.

The students, on the other hand, are brought up in such a politically corect society and at the same time socially liberal home life, they are unable to comprehend an angry teacher taking their chair from them. As harmless an act that taking the chair away was, it is perceived as a violent assault on this young boys person. He actually believes he has been wronged, and that the teacher is in big trouble. (sadly the teacher will likely UNJUSTLY loose his job)

Did you hear how offended the poor little punk was when the teacher took his chair. He couldn't believe what had just happened.



He should have been offended. He was forced to stand in 'respect' to something that he was for whatever reason, stupid or not, in protest against. Meanwhile, little Johnny Jackboot, the 'profesional' cursing teacher took a shit on his First Amendment rights.

Set to the ever appropriate words 'Land of the free, and the home of the brave.'
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 9:04:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DoorKicker:
This is part of what is wrong with this country. Most teachers don't respect this country and are big libs, and the ones that aren't, don't know how to set a positive example for students.

The students, on the other hand, are brought up in such a politically corect society and at the same time socially liberal home life, they are unable to comprehend an angry teacher taking their chair from them. As harmless an act that taking the chair away was, it is perceived as a violent assault on this young boys person. He actually believes he has been wronged, and that the teacher is in big trouble. (sadly the teacher will likely UNJUSTLY loose his job)

Did you hear how offended the poor little punk was when the teacher took his chair. He couldn't believe what had just happened.




Shouldn't have dignified the little shit with a response. Also the kid sitting was just sitting the rest were being heathens.
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 9:04:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/2/2005 9:08:19 PM EDT by The_Macallan]

Originally Posted By mattimeo:

Originally Posted By FlyByWire:
I cant say that I DISagree with the teacher.. He looks old enough to have fought in Vietnam maybe? Im sure he has a great passion for our country.. sadly... I bet he looses his job...



Good. He's not in school to teach political ideologies.

I have yet to see a text book in a public school that has a damned thing to do with the requirement of standing for any pledge or anthem.

On the other hand, like any solemn affair, any child who chooses not to stand can damned well shut his mouth and be respectful.

Don't you see the contradiction here?

Supposedly this student has the freedom to not stand and not recite the pledge. To force him to would violate his "free speech" rights.

But you are now saying he SHOULD be forced to "shut his mouth and be respectful" - isn't THAT just as much an infringement of his right to "free expression" as forcing him to also stand as well???

IMO, making him stand is no different than making him shut up. Both should be enforced on those dumbass punks because neither is an unreasonable infringement of their 1st Amendment rights.

If you think that the teacher had the rightful power to silence their comments during that brief time (i.e. forcing them to show respect) then why not also make them stand to show respect as well?



Link Posted: 10/2/2005 9:06:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By mattimeo:

Originally Posted By DoorKicker:
This is part of what is wrong with this country. Most teachers don't respect this country and are big libs, and the ones that aren't, don't know how to set a positive example for students.

The students, on the other hand, are brought up in such a politically corect society and at the same time socially liberal home life, they are unable to comprehend an angry teacher taking their chair from them. As harmless an act that taking the chair away was, it is perceived as a violent assault on this young boys person. He actually believes he has been wronged, and that the teacher is in big trouble. (sadly the teacher will likely UNJUSTLY loose his job)

Did you hear how offended the poor little punk was when the teacher took his chair. He couldn't believe what had just happened.



He should have been offended. He was forced to stand in 'respect' to something that he was for whatever reason, stupid or not, in protest against. Meanwhile, little Johnny Jackboot, the 'profesional' cursing teacher took a shit on his First Amendment rights.

Set to the ever appropriate words 'Land of the free, and the home of the brave.'




Mattimeo I agree with you. So before one of the sheep do it I will throw this out
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 9:07:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/2/2005 9:10:41 PM EDT by mattimeo]

Originally Posted By The_Macallan:

Originally Posted By mattimeo:

Originally Posted By FlyByWire:
I cant say that I DISagree with the teacher.. He looks old enough to have fought in Vietnam maybe? Im sure he has a great passion for our country.. sadly... I bet he looses his job...



Good. He's not in school to teach political ideologies.

I have yet to see a text book in a public school that has a damned thing to do with the requirement of standing for any pledge or anthem.

On the other hand, like any solemn affair, any child who chooses not to stand can damned well shut his mouth and be respectful.

Don't you see the contradiction here?

Supposedly this student has the freedom to not stand and not recite the pledge. To force him to would violate his "free speech" rights.

Because speaking during the pledge/anthem is not the issue. Being made to stand is. This was apparently the root of the problem. His not standing does not diminish other's enjoyment of the pledge/anthem. His speaking does. By refusing to stand, he has in no way infringed upon the rights of others to take part and enjoy the pledge/anthem. By speaking, he has done so.

But you are now saying he SHOULD be forced to "shut his mouth and be respectful" - isn't THAT just as much an infringement of his right to "free expression" as forcing him to also stand as well???

IMO, making him stand is no different than making him shut up. Both should be enforced on those dumbass punks because neither is an unreasonable infringement of their 1st Amendment rights.

If you think they the teacher had the power to silence their comments during that brief time then why not also make them stand?






Because speaking is not the issue. The root of the problem was that they did not want to stand.

Besides. By refusing to stand, he does not diminish anyone else's enjoyment of the pledge/anthem. He is not infringing on their right to do so. By speaking during that time, however, his is hindering their enjoyment of it. He is then infringing on their rights. There for he should remain quiet. Whether he stands or not has no bearing on anyone else.

ETA: System ate my reply.
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 9:11:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/2/2005 9:13:43 PM EDT by The_Macallan]


Originally Posted By mattimeo:

Originally Posted By The_Macallan:

Originally Posted By mattimeo:

Originally Posted By FlyByWire:
I cant say that I DISagree with the teacher.. He looks old enough to have fought in Vietnam maybe? Im sure he has a great passion for our country.. sadly... I bet he looses his job...



Good. He's not in school to teach political ideologies.

I have yet to see a text book in a public school that has a damned thing to do with the requirement of standing for any pledge or anthem.

On the other hand, like any solemn affair, any child who chooses not to stand can damned well shut his mouth and be respectful.

Don't you see the contradiction here?

Supposedly this student has the freedom to not stand and not recite the pledge. To force him to would violate his "free speech" rights.

But you are now saying he SHOULD be forced to "shut his mouth and be respectful" - isn't THAT just as much an infringement of his right to "free expression" as forcing him to also stand as well???

IMO, making him stand is no different than making him shut up. Both should be enforced on those dumbass punks because neither is an unreasonable infringement of their 1st Amendment rights.

If you think they the teacher had the power to silence their comments during that brief time then why not also make them stand?

Because speaking is not the issue. The root of the problem was that they did not want to stand.

Besides. By refusing to stand, he does not diminish anyone else's enjoyment of the pledge/anthem. He is not infringing on their right to do so. By speaking during that time, however, his is hindering their enjoyment of it. He is then infringing on their rights. There for he should remain quiet. Whether he stands or not has no bearing on anyone else.

Well he sure as hell seemed to diminish the teacher's enjoyment of the pledge/anthem.

And quite possibly some other kids too.



Link Posted: 10/2/2005 9:13:12 PM EDT

Originally Posted By The_Macallan:

Originally Posted By mattimeo:

Originally Posted By The_Macallan:

Originally Posted By mattimeo:

Originally Posted By FlyByWire:
I cant say that I DISagree with the teacher.. He looks old enough to have fought in Vietnam maybe? Im sure he has a great passion for our country.. sadly... I bet he looses his job...



Good. He's not in school to teach political ideologies.

I have yet to see a text book in a public school that has a damned thing to do with the requirement of standing for any pledge or anthem.

On the other hand, like any solemn affair, any child who chooses not to stand can damned well shut his mouth and be respectful.

Don't you see the contradiction here?

Supposedly this student has the freedom to not stand and not recite the pledge. To force him to would violate his "free speech" rights.

Because speaking during the pledge/anthem is not the issue. Being made to stand is. This was apparently the root of the problem. His not standing does not diminish other's enjoyment of the pledge/anthem. His speaking does. By refusing to stand, he has in no way infringed upon the rights of others to take part and enjoy the pledge/anthem. By speaking, he has done so.

Well he sure as hell seemed to diminish the teacher's enjoyment of the pledge/anthem.




Sounds like the teacher has a personal problem. He indicates this by screaming, cursing, and making an ass of himself needlessly. He is indeed a great role model. Stalin would be proud.
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 9:18:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By mattimeo:

Originally Posted By The_Macallan:

Originally Posted By mattimeo:

Originally Posted By The_Macallan:

Originally Posted By mattimeo:

Originally Posted By FlyByWire:
I cant say that I DISagree with the teacher.. He looks old enough to have fought in Vietnam maybe? Im sure he has a great passion for our country.. sadly... I bet he looses his job...



Good. He's not in school to teach political ideologies.

I have yet to see a text book in a public school that has a damned thing to do with the requirement of standing for any pledge or anthem.

On the other hand, like any solemn affair, any child who chooses not to stand can damned well shut his mouth and be respectful.

Don't you see the contradiction here?

Supposedly this student has the freedom to not stand and not recite the pledge. To force him to would violate his "free speech" rights.

Because speaking during the pledge/anthem is not the issue. Being made to stand is. This was apparently the root of the problem. His not standing does not diminish other's enjoyment of the pledge/anthem. His speaking does. By refusing to stand, he has in no way infringed upon the rights of others to take part and enjoy the pledge/anthem. By speaking, he has done so.

Well he sure as hell seemed to diminish the teacher's enjoyment of the pledge/anthem.




Sounds like the teacher has a personal problem. He indicates this by screaming, cursing, and making an ass of himself needlessly. He is indeed a great role model. Stalin would be proud.



They always saluted and pledged allegiance too.

Non-Conformity was a crime to these guys too.
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 9:20:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Mattl:

Originally Posted By SgtWhiting:

Originally Posted By Mattl:

Originally Posted By Makarov_Mami:
Shit. That's what I go through with my class on a daily basis for the Pledge of Allegiance. I will keep doing it, too. I HATE it when dumbshits disrespect this country.



Freedom to do so is theirs period. You don't have to like it, it is thier right. I really don't see the neccessity of the P.O.A. anyway. I swear no loyalty to any politician or dictator, period. If they want to sit down or not observe oh well, not my place to make them.



Spoken like a true self centered liberal !

Eta: don't know why this posted twice.




Libertarian not liberal. Socialism is cancer, but if freedom is an ideology than I am liberal on that, I am anti Gov. growth period. So while I always said the pledge and stood for the National Anthem, right of dissent or apathy is still a right. So what do you propose summary execution in front of the school for his differing opinion or apathy.






No, just some plain old fashioned respect.

I see your points. I am not for bigger gov. either.
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 9:20:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Mattl:

Originally Posted By mattimeo:

Originally Posted By The_Macallan:

Originally Posted By mattimeo:

Originally Posted By The_Macallan:

Originally Posted By mattimeo:

Originally Posted By FlyByWire:
I cant say that I DISagree with the teacher.. He looks old enough to have fought in Vietnam maybe? Im sure he has a great passion for our country.. sadly... I bet he looses his job...



Good. He's not in school to teach political ideologies.

I have yet to see a text book in a public school that has a damned thing to do with the requirement of standing for any pledge or anthem.

On the other hand, like any solemn affair, any child who chooses not to stand can damned well shut his mouth and be respectful.

Don't you see the contradiction here?

Supposedly this student has the freedom to not stand and not recite the pledge. To force him to would violate his "free speech" rights.

Because speaking during the pledge/anthem is not the issue. Being made to stand is. This was apparently the root of the problem. His not standing does not diminish other's enjoyment of the pledge/anthem. His speaking does. By refusing to stand, he has in no way infringed upon the rights of others to take part and enjoy the pledge/anthem. By speaking, he has done so.

Well he sure as hell seemed to diminish the teacher's enjoyment of the pledge/anthem.




Sounds like the teacher has a personal problem. He indicates this by screaming, cursing, and making an ass of himself needlessly. He is indeed a great role model. Stalin would be proud.



They always saluted and pledged allegiance too.
library.thinkquest.org/CR0212881/hitsal.jpg
Non-Conformity was a crime to these guys too.
images.indymedia.org/imc/cleveland/socialists.jpgmid.jpg




OMFG, are you serious...?
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 9:22:04 PM EDT
It would be a completely different story if this was the Pledge of Allegiance, but it was the National Anthem, a song commending the brave who have fought and died for our freedom. All of those little shitsshould be airdropped into Mogadishu.

I cannot stand it when idiots talk, let alone stand for the National Anthem, but I guess it is their right as free men....
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 9:23:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FlyByWire:

OMFG, are you serious...?



Apparently this teacher is pretty damned serious about producing a classroom full of conformist automatons, devoid of independent thought. Excellent way to ensure the furtherance of our country's ideals.

But altogether wrong, in more ways than one.
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 9:26:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By mattimeo:

Originally Posted By FlyByWire:

OMFG, are you serious...?



Apparently this teacher is pretty damned serious about producing a classroom full of conformist automatons, devoid of independent thought. Excellent way to ensure the furtherance of our country's ideals.

But altogether wrong, in more ways than one.



A calm discussion about the sacrifices of others in the armed forces and how it has benefitted the class and our society as a whole would have been a bit more orthodox but it probably would have went right over these shits' heads.

The teach employed anger and violence, but was merely viewed as unstable by the class as a whole..... sad really because it looks like the class would be pretty disrespectful under any given circumstances.

Link Posted: 10/2/2005 9:26:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By mattimeo:

Originally Posted By FlyByWire:

OMFG, are you serious...?



Apparently this teacher is pretty damned serious about producing a classroom full of conformist automatons, devoid of independent thought. Excellent way to ensure the furtherance of our country's ideals.

But altogether wrong, in more ways than one.




LOL, Im at a loss for words...
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 9:26:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FlyByWire:

Originally Posted By Mattl:

Originally Posted By mattimeo:

Originally Posted By The_Macallan:

Originally Posted By mattimeo:

Originally Posted By The_Macallan:

Originally Posted By mattimeo:

Originally Posted By FlyByWire:
I cant say that I DISagree with the teacher.. He looks old enough to have fought in Vietnam maybe? Im sure he has a great passion for our country.. sadly... I bet he looses his job...



Good. He's not in school to teach political ideologies.

I have yet to see a text book in a public school that has a damned thing to do with the requirement of standing for any pledge or anthem.

On the other hand, like any solemn affair, any child who chooses not to stand can damned well shut his mouth and be respectful.

Don't you see the contradiction here?

Supposedly this student has the freedom to not stand and not recite the pledge. To force him to would violate his "free speech" rights.

Because speaking during the pledge/anthem is not the issue. Being made to stand is. This was apparently the root of the problem. His not standing does not diminish other's enjoyment of the pledge/anthem. His speaking does. By refusing to stand, he has in no way infringed upon the rights of others to take part and enjoy the pledge/anthem. By speaking, he has done so.

Well he sure as hell seemed to diminish the teacher's enjoyment of the pledge/anthem.




Sounds like the teacher has a personal problem. He indicates this by screaming, cursing, and making an ass of himself needlessly. He is indeed a great role model. Stalin would be proud.



They always saluted and pledged allegiance too.
library.thinkquest.org/CR0212881/hitsal.jpg
Non-Conformity was a crime to these guys too.
images.indymedia.org/imc/cleveland/socialists.jpgmid.jpg




OMFG, are you serious...?



Granted it is the extreme end of the spectrum, but it is conformity is fundamental to their beliefs. Noone would dispute that. Thats why we have the Bill of Rights, not for much longer though as they are constantly weakened and nearly all lack initiative to keep. Whether you agree or disagree it is their right to stand and observe or not. Funny how most just throw this aside when it conflicts with their view. Your rights exist to keep extremes from happening.
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 9:29:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Mattl:

Originally Posted By FlyByWire:

Originally Posted By Mattl:

Originally Posted By mattimeo:

Originally Posted By The_Macallan:

Originally Posted By mattimeo:

Originally Posted By The_Macallan:

Originally Posted By mattimeo:

Originally Posted By FlyByWire:
I cant say that I DISagree with the teacher.. He looks old enough to have fought in Vietnam maybe? Im sure he has a great passion for our country.. sadly... I bet he looses his job...



Good. He's not in school to teach political ideologies.

I have yet to see a text book in a public school that has a damned thing to do with the requirement of standing for any pledge or anthem.

On the other hand, like any solemn affair, any child who chooses not to stand can damned well shut his mouth and be respectful.

Don't you see the contradiction here?

Supposedly this student has the freedom to not stand and not recite the pledge. To force him to would violate his "free speech" rights.

Because speaking during the pledge/anthem is not the issue. Being made to stand is. This was apparently the root of the problem. His not standing does not diminish other's enjoyment of the pledge/anthem. His speaking does. By refusing to stand, he has in no way infringed upon the rights of others to take part and enjoy the pledge/anthem. By speaking, he has done so.

Well he sure as hell seemed to diminish the teacher's enjoyment of the pledge/anthem.




Sounds like the teacher has a personal problem. He indicates this by screaming, cursing, and making an ass of himself needlessly. He is indeed a great role model. Stalin would be proud.



They always saluted and pledged allegiance too.
library.thinkquest.org/CR0212881/hitsal.jpg
Non-Conformity was a crime to these guys too.
images.indymedia.org/imc/cleveland/socialists.jpgmid.jpg




OMFG, are you serious...?


Whether you agree or disagree it is their right to stand and observe or not. .



Cant say I disagree with you there, but comparing it to Hitler... come on.
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 9:29:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Mattl:
They always saluted and pledged allegiance too.
library.thinkquest.org/CR0212881/hitsal.jpg
Non-Conformity was a crime to these guys too.
images.indymedia.org/imc/cleveland/socialists.jpgmid.jpg

Oh great.

The Hitler distractor.

Great way to support your position.

Well in that case...



With the attitude those kids in the class had - it's obvious where THEY'RE headed:









Link Posted: 10/2/2005 9:29:36 PM EDT
im going to bed, wake me up when its ok to start killing people.
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 9:31:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By The_Macallan:

Originally Posted By Mattl:
They always saluted and pledged allegiance too.
library.thinkquest.org/CR0212881/hitsal.jpg
Non-Conformity was a crime to these guys too.
images.indymedia.org/imc/cleveland/socialists.jpgmid.jpg

Oh great.

The Hitler distractor.

Great way to support your position.

Well in that case...



With the attitude those kids in the class had - it's obvious where THEY'RE headed:

www.powertripthemovie.com/archive/press/fiba/Welcome%20to%20FIBA%20Homepage_files/fiba_03_moore2.jpg

www.friendsofmicronesia.com/archives/rachel-corrie-flag-02.jpg

www.crimelife.com/terrorists/mugshots/john_walker_lindh.jpg

www.sentimentosdilacerados.blogger.com.br/charles%20manson.jpg




Nice post sir.
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 9:32:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By The_Macallan:

Originally Posted By Mattl:
They always saluted and pledged allegiance too.
library.thinkquest.org/CR0212881/hitsal.jpg
Non-Conformity was a crime to these guys too.
images.indymedia.org/imc/cleveland/socialists.jpgmid.jpg

Oh great.

The Hitler distractor.

Great way to support your position.

Well in that case...

With the attitude those kids in the class had - it's obvious where THEY'RE headed:

www.powertripthemovie.com/archive/press/fiba/Welcome%20to%20FIBA%20Homepage_files/fiba_03_moore2.jpg

www.friendsofmicronesia.com/archives/rachel-corrie-flag-02.jpg

www.crimelife.com/terrorists/mugshots/john_walker_lindh.jpg

www.sentimentosdilacerados.blogger.com.br/charles%20manson.jpg




Kids a piece of shit in all likleyhood, don't disagree their. We are arguing principles though.
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 9:33:56 PM EDT

Originally Posted By mattimeo:

Originally Posted By The_Macallan:

Originally Posted By mattimeo:

Originally Posted By FlyByWire:
I cant say that I DISagree with the teacher.. He looks old enough to have fought in Vietnam maybe? Im sure he has a great passion for our country.. sadly... I bet he looses his job...



Good. He's not in school to teach political ideologies.

I have yet to see a text book in a public school that has a damned thing to do with the requirement of standing for any pledge or anthem.

On the other hand, like any solemn affair, any child who chooses not to stand can damned well shut his mouth and be respectful.

Don't you see the contradiction here?

Supposedly this student has the freedom to not stand and not recite the pledge. To force him to would violate his "free speech" rights.

Because speaking during the pledge/anthem is not the issue. Being made to stand is. This was apparently the root of the problem. His not standing does not diminish other's enjoyment of the pledge/anthem. His speaking does. By refusing to stand, he has in no way infringed upon the rights of others to take part and enjoy the pledge/anthem. By speaking, he has done so.

But you are now saying he SHOULD be forced to "shut his mouth and be respectful" - isn't THAT just as much an infringement of his right to "free expression" as forcing him to also stand as well???

IMO, making him stand is no different than making him shut up. Both should be enforced on those dumbass punks because neither is an unreasonable infringement of their 1st Amendment rights.

If you think they the teacher had the power to silence their comments during that brief time then why not also make them stand?






Because speaking is not the issue. The root of the problem was that they did not want to stand.

Besides. By refusing to stand, he does not diminish anyone else's enjoyment of the pledge/anthem. He is not infringing on their right to do so. By speaking during that time, however, his is hindering their enjoyment of it. He is then infringing on their rights. There for he should remain quiet. Whether he stands or not has no bearing on anyone else.

ETA: System ate my reply.



I have no problem forcing the little shit to stand. He should stand out of respect and gratitude for what his citizenship affords him - whether he has the sense to see it or not. Why do you pay taxes? Because the government makes you. Why do you stand for the anthem? Because your teacher makes you. Don't like either one? Tough shit.
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 9:34:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FlyByWire:

Originally Posted By Mattl:

Originally Posted By FlyByWire:

Originally Posted By Mattl:

Originally Posted By mattimeo:

Originally Posted By The_Macallan:

Originally Posted By mattimeo:

Originally Posted By The_Macallan:

Originally Posted By mattimeo:

Originally Posted By FlyByWire:
I cant say that I DISagree with the teacher.. He looks old enough to have fought in Vietnam maybe? Im sure he has a great passion for our country.. sadly... I bet he looses his job...



Good. He's not in school to teach political ideologies.

I have yet to see a text book in a public school that has a damned thing to do with the requirement of standing for any pledge or anthem.

On the other hand, like any solemn affair, any child who chooses not to stand can damned well shut his mouth and be respectful.

Don't you see the contradiction here?

Supposedly this student has the freedom to not stand and not recite the pledge. To force him to would violate his "free speech" rights.

Because speaking during the pledge/anthem is not the issue. Being made to stand is. This was apparently the root of the problem. His not standing does not diminish other's enjoyment of the pledge/anthem. His speaking does. By refusing to stand, he has in no way infringed upon the rights of others to take part and enjoy the pledge/anthem. By speaking, he has done so.

Well he sure as hell seemed to diminish the teacher's enjoyment of the pledge/anthem.




Sounds like the teacher has a personal problem. He indicates this by screaming, cursing, and making an ass of himself needlessly. He is indeed a great role model. Stalin would be proud.



They always saluted and pledged allegiance too.
library.thinkquest.org/CR0212881/hitsal.jpg
Non-Conformity was a crime to these guys too.
images.indymedia.org/imc/cleveland/socialists.jpgmid.jpg




OMFG, are you serious...?


Whether you agree or disagree it is their right to stand and observe or not. .



Cant say I disagree with you there, but comparing it to Hitler... come on.



Why did you cut the quote down? It does lend weight to the argument, and the overall thought is not whole.
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 9:36:56 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Mattl:

Originally Posted By FlyByWire:

Originally Posted By Mattl:

Originally Posted By FlyByWire:

Originally Posted By Mattl:

Originally Posted By mattimeo:

Originally Posted By The_Macallan:

Originally Posted By mattimeo:

Originally Posted By The_Macallan:

Originally Posted By mattimeo:

Originally Posted By FlyByWire:
I cant say that I DISagree with the teacher.. He looks old enough to have fought in Vietnam maybe? Im sure he has a great passion for our country.. sadly... I bet he looses his job...



Good. He's not in school to teach political ideologies.

I have yet to see a text book in a public school that has a damned thing to do with the requirement of standing for any pledge or anthem.

On the other hand, like any solemn affair, any child who chooses not to stand can damned well shut his mouth and be respectful.

Don't you see the contradiction here?

Supposedly this student has the freedom to not stand and not recite the pledge. To force him to would violate his "free speech" rights.

Because speaking during the pledge/anthem is not the issue. Being made to stand is. This was apparently the root of the problem. His not standing does not diminish other's enjoyment of the pledge/anthem. His speaking does. By refusing to stand, he has in no way infringed upon the rights of others to take part and enjoy the pledge/anthem. By speaking, he has done so.

Well he sure as hell seemed to diminish the teacher's enjoyment of the pledge/anthem.




Sounds like the teacher has a personal problem. He indicates this by screaming, cursing, and making an ass of himself needlessly. He is indeed a great role model. Stalin would be proud.



They always saluted and pledged allegiance too.
library.thinkquest.org/CR0212881/hitsal.jpg
Non-Conformity was a crime to these guys too.
images.indymedia.org/imc/cleveland/socialists.jpgmid.jpg




OMFG, are you serious...?


Whether you agree or disagree it is their right to stand and observe or not. .



Cant say I disagree with you there, but comparing it to Hitler... come on.



Why did you cut the quote down? It does lend weight to the argument, and the overall thought is not whole.



Because thats the part I agree with... and the part I wanted to coment on.
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 9:37:23 PM EDT
I saw some miscreants produced by negligent parenting, and a teacher with some issues.

That about cover it?
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 9:37:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By The_Macallan:

Originally Posted By Mattl:
They always saluted and pledged allegiance too.
library.thinkquest.org/CR0212881/hitsal.jpg
Non-Conformity was a crime to these guys too.
images.indymedia.org/imc/cleveland/socialists.jpgmid.jpg

Oh great.

The Hitler distractor.

Great way to support your position.

Well in that case...



With the attitude those kids in the class had - it's obvious where THEY'RE headed:

www.powertripthemovie.com/archive/press/fiba/Welcome%20to%20FIBA%20Homepage_files/fiba_03_moore2.jpgJust cashing in

www.friendsofmicronesia.com/archives/rachel-corrie-flag-02.jpgBulldozer girl LMAO

www.crimelife.com/terrorists/mugshots/john_walker_lindh.jpgShoot him in the head

www.sentimentosdilacerados.blogger.com.br/charles%20manson.jpg Cray in need of a bullet


Link Posted: 10/2/2005 9:37:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Mattl:

Originally Posted By The_Macallan:

Originally Posted By Mattl:
They always saluted and pledged allegiance too.
library.thinkquest.org/CR0212881/hitsal.jpg
Non-Conformity was a crime to these guys too.
images.indymedia.org/imc/cleveland/socialists.jpgmid.jpg

Oh great.

The Hitler distractor.

Great way to support your position.

Well in that case...

With the attitude those kids in the class had - it's obvious where THEY'RE headed:

www.powertripthemovie.com/archive/press/fiba/Welcome%20to%20FIBA%20Homepage_files/fiba_03_moore2.jpg

www.friendsofmicronesia.com/archives/rachel-corrie-flag-02.jpg

www.crimelife.com/terrorists/mugshots/john_walker_lindh.jpg

www.sentimentosdilacerados.blogger.com.br/charles%20manson.jpg




Kids a piece of shit in all likleyhood, don't disagree their. We are arguing principles though.

You weren't arguing principles - you were dragging the oldest foulest red herring ever invented into this dicussion. You compared the teacher to Stalin, Mao and Hitler.

So I compared the students to Corrie, Walker and Manson.

No difference.



Link Posted: 10/2/2005 9:37:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FlyByWire:

Originally Posted By mattimeo:

Originally Posted By FlyByWire:

OMFG, are you serious...?



Apparently this teacher is pretty damned serious about producing a classroom full of conformist automatons, devoid of independent thought. Excellent way to ensure the furtherance of our country's ideals.

But altogether wrong, in more ways than one.




LOL, Im at a loss for words...



Why would you be at a loss for words?

I personally know people who have laid down the ultimate sacrifice in Iraq and Afghanistan. I've had to attend funerals. I've had to watch mothers and fathers, role models of our conservative society, break down and fall to their knees, and cry out to God for answers at their sons' graves. I've had to look them in the eyes, and offer words that seem so pathetic, so useless and small, when given in condolence to their loss.

I shed tears, at times, when I stand and lay my hand across my heart, and listen as the National Anthem plays.

It does not bother me that the person next to me does not.

And from all the talking I did in high school and aftwerward, it did not bother these fine, deceased gentlemen either. They laid down their lives upon the altar of freedom. They had many reasons for doing it. Allowing one overbearing asshole to play conformist dictator over students in a classroom was not one of them. Thanks to them, you and I have the right to disagree. We have the right to our opinions. We have the right to express those opinions in whatever manner we see fit, so long as that chosen manner does not infringe upon the rights of others.

When I stand, and others do not... I feel pity for them. For they have not seen the faces of those passed on, who died for this country. They do not know the cost of the freedom that they exercise.

But I do not hate them for it. I do not feel anger. My friends did not die so that I, in my blind anger, could lay a heavy hand of control upon my fellow countrymen.
Link Posted: 10/2/2005 9:37:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Mattl:

Originally Posted By FlyByWire:

Originally Posted By Mattl:

Originally Posted By FlyByWire:

Originally Posted By Mattl:

Originally Posted By mattimeo:

Originally Posted By The_Macallan:

Originally Posted By mattimeo:

Originally Posted By The_Macallan:

Originally Posted By mattimeo:

Originally Posted By FlyByWire:
I cant say that I DISagree with the teacher.. He looks old enough to have fought in Vietnam maybe? Im sure he has a great passion for our country.. sadly... I bet he looses his job...



Good. He's not in school to teach political ideologies.

I have yet to see a text book in a public school that has a damned thing to do with the requirement of standing for any pledge or anthem.

On the other hand, like any solemn affair, any child who chooses not to stand can damned well shut his mouth and be respectful.

Don't you see the contradiction here?

Supposedly this student has the freedom to not stand and not recite the pledge. To force him to would violate his "free speech" rights.

Because speaking during the pledge/anthem is not the issue. Being made to stand is. This was apparently the root of the problem. His not standing does not diminish other's enjoyment of the pledge/anthem. His speaking does. By refusing to stand, he has in no way infringed upon the rights of others to take part and enjoy the pledge/anthem. By speaking, he has done so.

Well he sure as hell seemed to diminish the teacher's enjoyment of the pledge/anthem.




Sounds like the teacher has a personal problem. He indicates this by screaming, cursing, and making an ass of himself needlessly. He is indeed a great role model. Stalin would be proud.



They always saluted and pledged allegiance too.
library.thinkquest.org/CR0212881/hitsal.jpg
Non-Conformity was a crime to these guys too.
images.indymedia.org/imc/cleveland/socialists.jpgmid.jpg




OMFG, are you serious...?


Whether you agree or disagree it is their right to stand and observe or not. .



Cant say I disagree with you there, but comparing it to Hitler... come on.



Why did you cut the quote down? It does lend weight to the argument, and the overall thought is not whole.



+1



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