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Posted: 12/5/2007 6:23:25 AM EDT
looking to buy shotgun for the house,thought i found one ,a benelli m1 121 only to find out it,s 20 years old and was advised not to shoot it.would like a semi-auto, was thinking of a remmy 1100 tactical. any other suggestions?
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 6:26:29 AM EDT
rem 870
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 6:27:37 AM EDT
In before the "A handgun is better" post
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 6:28:36 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/5/2007 6:30:17 AM EDT by gene5]

Originally Posted By sullysauto:
rem 870


rather not have a pump
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 6:28:47 AM EDT
Whatever you get, just load it with birdshot, or dimes, or salt. That's all you'll ever need.
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 6:29:03 AM EDT
I have been thinking about adding some easily removable gadgetry to my 1100. I would like to be able to switch it between "FUDD" and "Tactical" in a few minutes.

IIRC, barrels are high.

Link Posted: 12/5/2007 6:29:36 AM EDT

Originally Posted By GOBLIN1:
In before the "A handgun is better" post


yea im looking more at point and shoot.
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 6:29:39 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/5/2007 6:31:22 AM EDT by 556A2]
Remington 870 if you really want the best shotgun for HD work.

If you are dead set on a semi-auto I would get a Benelli M1 Super 90. The Remington semi-autos are good, but are a bit of a PITA to clean. Plus I don't really care for the O-ring design.

ETA: Also heard many good things about the FN SLP as well.
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 6:29:53 AM EDT
I use a Benelli M1 Super 90. I also use a Mossy 500c in 20 gauge.
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 6:30:12 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 6:30:15 AM EDT
Mossberg 930 SPX ~~$550

FN SLP~~$900 or more

Link Posted: 12/5/2007 6:32:40 AM EDT

Originally Posted By gene5:
looking to buy shotgun for the house,thought i found one ,a benelli m1 121 only to find out it,s 20 years old and was advised not to shoot it.would like a semi-auto, was thinking of a remmy 1100 tactical. any other suggestions?


What's wrong with a 20 year old Benelli? Mine shoots like gangbusters. If it's old, just put a Sure Cycle recoil assembly in it, replace the inertia spring and then shoot the hell out of it. It can take it, believe me.
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 6:34:35 AM EDT
Mossy 590. $325. Done.
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 6:35:01 AM EDT
One thing to remember is if you have to use it the Police are going to take it into evidence for a while. I use a Mossberg 500 with a 18.5 barrel it's not pretty but it shoots everything I want to put through it and if it gets used and I don't have it for a while I'm out under $300 bucks as opposed to a thousand or more.

Travis
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 6:36:00 AM EDT

Originally Posted By fsk1290:
Mossy 590. $325. Done.


REm 870 $250. done for less.
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 6:36:09 AM EDT
Remmy 870 + some training
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 6:36:37 AM EDT
Hey,

Check this deal out:

www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/95059



Remington 870 $269 after $30 Mail In Rebate!!

Kevin "Can't beat that!"
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 6:37:50 AM EDT
A breach loading .410 shotgun with birdshot is the best home defense weapon available. When they here that shotgun crack open while you insert a shell, they will piss themselves in fear.

You can probably pick one up dirt cheap as well!
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 6:39:14 AM EDT
Why a shotgun over an AR?
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 6:42:34 AM EDT
IBD_C

I agree that a pump is preferable for HD, as it is more reliable and allows you to use reduced recoil loads without worrying about them not cycling the action. Note that you should keep a round chambered so you don't advertise your location when you rack the slide.

There's a Benelli M3T sitting next to my bed, so I have the best of both worlds.
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 6:42:37 AM EDT
Probably the cheapest SA shotgun you'll find that works well will be a Saiga, or an 11-87. With the 11-87 you'll get into it even deeper buying a short barrel for it (probably $600 or more when you are done and thats starting with a used one).
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 6:42:54 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SoonerBorn:
A breach loading .410 shotgun with birdshot is the best home defense weapon available. When they here that shotgun crack open while you insert a shell, they will piss themselves in fear.

You can probably pick one up dirt cheap as well!


No, no no!

He must get a muzzle-loading double barrel shotgun and load both barrels halfway up the tubes with powder, and the rest of the way with birdshot! Use duct tape over the ends to keep the shot from spilling out, and wear ear protection when firing.

It's the only way to be sure!
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 6:50:19 AM EDT


Saiga Tromix 12 Ga.

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Link Posted: 12/5/2007 6:56:22 AM EDT
Mossy 590.
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 7:10:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/5/2007 7:24:46 AM EDT by gene5]

Originally Posted By doubleclaw:

Originally Posted By gene5:
looking to buy shotgun for the house,thought i found one ,a benelli m1 121 only to find out it,s 20 years old and was advised not to shoot it.would like a semi-auto, was thinking of a remmy 1100 tactical. any other suggestions?


What's wrong with a 20 year old Benelli? Mine shoots like gangbusters. If it's old, just put a Sure Cycle recoil assembly in it, replace the inertia spring and then shoot the hell out of it. It can take it, believe me.


there are no,[i cant find any,parts] for a m1 121.bennelli doesnt make them any more and mine is in pristine condition .i hate to break it and not be able to fix it. but i will check into what you suggest.

Link Posted: 12/5/2007 7:11:36 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/5/2007 7:15:18 AM EDT by gene5]

Originally Posted By TGMoore:
Why a shotgun over an AR?


over penetration? cant miss with a shotgun? being startled,middle of the nite ,adrenaline pumping ,wife freaking type scenario?
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 7:16:19 AM EDT

Originally Posted By gene5:

Originally Posted By GOBLIN1:
In before the "A handgun is better" post


yea im looking more at point and shoot.



You do realize that you will have to aim a shotgun just as much as any other gun, right?
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 7:18:02 AM EDT

Originally Posted By gene5:

Originally Posted By TGMoore:
Why a shotgun over an AR?


over penetration? cant miss with a shotgun? being startled,middle of the nite ,adrenaline pumping ,wife freaking type scenario?


this is gonna be good.

getting popcorn now.
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 7:18:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/5/2007 7:19:37 AM EDT by gene5]

Originally Posted By UH_SALT_RIFLE:

Originally Posted By gene5:

Originally Posted By GOBLIN1:
In before the "A handgun is better" post


yea im looking more at point and shoot.



You do realize that you will have to aim a shotgun just as much as any other gun, right?


nope, just point it in the direction of bad guy.{small house]
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 7:19:25 AM EDT

Originally Posted By gene5:

Originally Posted By TGMoore:
Why a shotgun over an AR?


over penetration? cant miss with a shotgun? being startled,middle of the nite ,adrenaline pumping ,wife freaking type scenario?



Or the fact that an AR costs about $900 vs a $300 for a 870. Like a previous poster mentioned, anything you use in a HD event WILL be confiscated as evidence.

You won't get it back for a while & maybe not ever if it's a really nice gun. Better to risk being out $230 for the shotgun than a $1,200 customized AR.

Besides, the AR is more of a Katrina gun.
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 7:20:35 AM EDT

Originally Posted By gene5:

Originally Posted By TGMoore:
Why a shotgun over an AR?


over penetration? cant miss with a shotgun? being startled,middle of the nite ,adrenaline pumping ,wife freaking type scenario?




Link Posted: 12/5/2007 7:20:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/5/2007 7:27:59 AM EDT by Alien]
What's wrong with the Benelli? I mean my M1 Super 90 is nearly 20 years old and works just fine.

Mine works very well even with light skeet loads even with a mercury recoil reducer in the stock (came with the gun) and 8 rounds in the side saddle.

I might replace springs in it just to be sure at some point in the future though. I assume they are originals and I have no idea how many rounds have been put through it.

Link Posted: 12/5/2007 7:21:31 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 7:22:05 AM EDT

Originally Posted By gene5:

Originally Posted By UH_SALT_RIFLE:

Originally Posted By gene5:

Originally Posted By GOBLIN1:
In before the "A handgun is better" post


yea im looking more at point and shoot.



You do realize that you will have to aim a shotgun just as much as any other gun, right?


nope, just point it in the direction of bad guy.{small house]




I think you may be over estimating the spread of buck shot or birdshot
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 7:22:16 AM EDT

Originally Posted By UH_SALT_RIFLE:

Originally Posted By gene5:

Originally Posted By TGMoore:
Why a shotgun over an AR?


over penetration? cant miss with a shotgun? being startled,middle of the nite ,adrenaline pumping ,wife freaking type scenario?




i new some of you would love that comment!



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Link Posted: 12/5/2007 7:22:32 AM EDT
rule of thumb for shotgun spread is 1" per 1 yard.

So let's say bad guy is 15' away. That is only a 5" pattern...You still have to aim!
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 7:22:33 AM EDT

Originally Posted By gene5:

Originally Posted By TGMoore:
Why a shotgun over an AR?


over penetration? cant miss with a shotgun? being startled,middle of the nite ,adrenaline pumping ,wife freaking type scenario?


And suppose your (insert family member) is between you and the perp. Then what, if you have a shotgun? Precision isn't a shotty's strongpoint.

Not talking down your selection, just bringing up a point.

I reccomend a Remmy 870 or a Mossy 590.

SG
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 7:25:20 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/5/2007 7:26:35 AM EDT by jrkarp]

Originally Posted By UH_SALT_RIFLE:

Originally Posted By gene5:

Originally Posted By GOBLIN1:
In before the "A handgun is better" post


yea im looking more at point and shoot.



You do realize that you will have to aim a shotgun just as much as any other gun, right?


Well, technically, you don't aim a shotgun, you point it.

But you are right. At typical home engagement distances, 00 buck is not going to have a large spread. Aiming/pointing is necessary.
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 7:28:36 AM EDT

Originally Posted By jrkarp:

Originally Posted By UH_SALT_RIFLE:

Originally Posted By gene5:

Originally Posted By GOBLIN1:
In before the "A handgun is better" post


yea im looking more at point and shoot.



You do realize that you will have to aim a shotgun just as much as any other gun, right?


Well, technically, you don't aim a shotgun, you point it.

But you are right. At typical home engagement distances, 00 buck is not going to have a large spread. Aiming/pointing is necessary.


isnt 00 buck a little big for HD? wouldn't ya still have an over penetration problem?
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 7:29:00 AM EDT

Originally Posted By gene5:

Originally Posted By TGMoore:
Why a shotgun over an AR?


over penetration? cant miss with a shotgun? being startled,middle of the nite ,adrenaline pumping ,wife freaking type scenario?


You CAN miss with a shotgun, especially with the scenario you describe.
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 7:29:28 AM EDT

Originally Posted By jrkarp:

Originally Posted By UH_SALT_RIFLE:

Originally Posted By gene5:

Originally Posted By GOBLIN1:
In before the "A handgun is better" post


yea im looking more at point and shoot.



You do realize that you will have to aim a shotgun just as much as any other gun, right?


Well, technically, you don't aim a shotgun, you point it.

But you are right. At typical home engagement distances, 00 buck is not going to have a large spread. Aiming/pointing is necessary.
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 7:30:29 AM EDT




Link Posted: 12/5/2007 7:30:50 AM EDT

Originally Posted By gene5:

Originally Posted By jrkarp:

Originally Posted By UH_SALT_RIFLE:

Originally Posted By gene5:

Originally Posted By GOBLIN1:
In before the "A handgun is better" post


yea im looking more at point and shoot.



You do realize that you will have to aim a shotgun just as much as any other gun, right?


Well, technically, you don't aim a shotgun, you point it.

But you are right. At typical home engagement distances, 00 buck is not going to have a large spread. Aiming/pointing is necessary.


isnt 00 buck a little big for HD? wouldn't ya still have an over penetration problem?


birdshot is the only reasonable load.
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 7:32:40 AM EDT

Originally Posted By doubleclaw:

Originally Posted By gene5:
looking to buy shotgun for the house,thought i found one ,a benelli m1 121 only to find out it,s 20 years old and was advised not to shoot it.would like a semi-auto, was thinking of a remmy 1100 tactical. any other suggestions?


What's wrong with a 20 year old Benelli? Mine shoots like gangbusters. If it's old, just put a Sure Cycle recoil assembly in it, replace the inertia spring and then shoot the hell out of it. It can take it, believe me.


thats what i am sayin..
put a sure cycle in it and blast away.
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 7:33:14 AM EDT

Originally Posted By gene5:

Originally Posted By jrkarp:

Originally Posted By UH_SALT_RIFLE:

Originally Posted By gene5:

Originally Posted By GOBLIN1:
In before the "A handgun is better" post


yea im looking more at point and shoot.



You do realize that you will have to aim a shotgun just as much as any other gun, right?


Well, technically, you don't aim a shotgun, you point it.

But you are right. At typical home engagement distances, 00 buck is not going to have a large spread. Aiming/pointing is necessary.


isnt 00 buck a little big for HD? wouldn't ya still have an over penetration problem?


Between this comment and the "point and shoot" comment, I call TROLL.
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 7:33:44 AM EDT
Win Mod.1300 Defender,,,,all the rest Fail
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 7:33:50 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 7:34:20 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Cpt_Kirks:
I have been thinking about adding some easily removable gadgetry to my 1100. I would like to be able to switch it between "FUDD" and "Tactical" in a few minutes.

IIRC, barrels are high.



There is a rail you can add to mount an Aimpoint or whatever. I think Leopold (sp) makes it.
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 7:34:34 AM EDT

Originally Posted By gene5:
suggestions for home defence shotgun. looking to buy shotgun for the house,thought i found one ,a benelli m1 121 only to find out it,s 20 years old and was advised not to shoot it.would like a semi-auto, was thinking of a remmy 1100 tactical. any other suggestions?


An adult English course.
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 7:34:38 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 7:35:13 AM EDT
First of all this is the USA we speak English here 'defence'





Mossy 500 rem 870 it don't matter get whats cheap
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