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Posted: 10/30/2004 6:04:08 PM EST
I stop at the gas station on my way to pick up my kid.
While I'm pumping- a kid runs thru being chased by three others.
They grab the kid and take him away.
One of the kids, dressed like Rambo has a small revolver in his hand.
They put the kid on the ground, the gunman walks back by where I am;
I asked him what he's doing with the gun.
He tells me to mind my own business.
For the quick ride to get my son..I left my .45 home.
As they all start to walk away I call 911 on my cell.
What a waste of time that was.
Another patron of the statiion followed them- He returned and told me that he thought it was a prank-
a stupid one at that.
I know that if I'd of had my gun it would have been in my had...I shudder at how things might have ended for me and Rambo prankster.
I told 911 that I would wait ten minutes for the cops; I waited, they never came. I'd have pressed charges.
On the way back two police cars were there.
I stopped and told them what happened.
They said it was not the first time tonight that they had had the same call.
I asked the officer to give the kid an ear-full about people like me- who would shoot people who point weapons at them.
I don't want to be involved in a stupid tragedy.
If this would have been the real deal- I'd have been un-armed; that is 'nt going to happen again for a while.
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 6:06:21 PM EST
If it came down to it...would you have shot them?

Sounds like an odd prank, any details on it?
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 6:08:56 PM EST
If it was a prank and you were armed, I'm certain you would've gained full compliance.

NBD
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 6:11:19 PM EST
I settled it in my mind years ago.
point a gun at me..find out how well I place when firing at the center of mass.
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 6:11:56 PM EST
Moral of the story, even if you didn't need it this time, don't leave your self defense carry at home even for short trips
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 6:18:09 PM EST
As my Dad taught me; never pull a gun on another man to scare him, he might call you're bluff. I was taught to only pull a gun out when you've made the decision to shoot, when all other options have been eliminated.
-John
Kernersville, NC
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 6:18:57 PM EST
how old were these "kids"
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 6:21:27 PM EST
Did the cops catch the little shitbags?
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 6:28:33 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/30/2004 6:29:20 PM EST by Canooger]
They were in their late teens.
A mixed group.
Rambo was hispanic.
The one they hauled away was white, grey hoody, black back-pack.
Number three was hispanic.
Two who I'm not sure of their involvement were asian.

I knew where my kid was.
He was at his friends house with four friends.
His friends parents were home.

You think Rambo's parents knew where he was, who he was with, what they were doing?
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 6:29:30 PM EST
it wasnt one of the new orange guns they only let us buy our kids?
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 6:36:58 PM EST
No orange gun- no orange tip.
Can you say righteous shooting?

Local headlines from local liberal rag.....
Local Gun Nut Shoots Trick or Treater
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 6:41:51 PM EST
wonder if it was real? if so I highly doubt the kid had a pistol permit, was he even old enough to possibly have one?
that's a felony in NY
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 6:44:36 PM EST
Prank or gang initiation?
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 6:56:34 PM EST
Does your state allow use of deadly force to protect another?
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 7:05:19 PM EST

I never get the memo indicating when I am going to get into a gunfight. C'mon, the LEAST bad guys can do is CC me the friggin memo. It makes going to get my kid a real pain in the rear. I mean...that gun is heavy...and it wears out the fabric in my car.
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 7:09:06 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/30/2004 7:09:33 PM EST by Canooger]
No I'm not a cop.
I have no knight in shining armor fantasy.

I'm pissed that I left myself vunerable.

I'm pissed that I was placed in a comprimising situation.

The next guy they do that to- might do something he'd regret.
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 7:10:41 PM EST

Originally Posted By Canooger:
If this would have been the real deal- I'd have been un-armed; that is 'nt going to happen again for a while.



It is a shame you did not say "NEVER AGAIN" instead of "that is 'nt going to happen again for a while"....

Be Prepared....


LB
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 7:11:25 PM EST
Consider it a practice drill in 2 respects:
1. Carrry Carry Carry - next time it could be real
2. Know that if you ever think it's real, use utmost caution in firing - it could be a prank.


The best example from my CCW class was a real case where a cop busted in and saw bloody man on top of woman. Looked like man was strangling woman. Cop shoots man in back, killing him.

Turns out that the 911 was called by the man. The woman was the perp. and was stabbing the husband in the chest. He rolled over on top of her, trying to get the knife away from her.

Basically, cop shot the victim (or rather, finished off what the lady perp started).

This is why, I think the best CCW practice is the use of role-playing as part of video-based scenario (you shoot at a big piece of paper which has the video image displayed on it). It will make you really adept in the real-life type of thing you encountered.
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 7:32:50 PM EST
There would have been NO QUESTION in my mind! Someone points a gun at me, I figure it's him or me. If I'm going down, I'm taking him with me!
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 7:43:22 PM EST
Late teens, could have a test for a car jacking, He did towards you.


Never unarmed.
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 8:03:12 PM EST

Originally Posted By hunttofu:
I never get the memo indicating when I am going to get into a gunfight. C'mon, the LEAST bad guys can do is CC me the friggin memo. It makes going to get my kid a real pain in the rear. I mean...that gun is heavy...and it wears out the fabric in my car.


In the infamous words of Clint Smith (Thunder Ranch) "Handguns aren't supposed to be comfortable, their supposed to be comforting"
X
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 8:10:15 PM EST

Originally Posted By Canooger:
I know that if I'd of had my gun it would have been in my had...I shudder at how things might have ended for me and Rambo prankster.



A big plus one for that! It has been said here many times already, but always carry your weapon. I shudder for what might have happened to you if this had been the real deal. Keep safe and keep your cool.
Link Posted: 10/31/2004 6:40:04 AM EST
Sounds like the punk doesn't have a brain. You never know what will happen doing dumb things like that.
Link Posted: 10/31/2004 6:46:16 AM EST
You should have kicked his ass and taken the gun.
Link Posted: 10/31/2004 12:03:00 PM EST
my understanding of it does, although there are limits

S 35.15 Justification; use of physical force in defense of a person.
1. A person may, subject to the provisions of subdivision two, use
physical force upon another person when and to the extent he reasonably
believes such to be necessary to defend himself or a third person from
what he reasonably believes to be the use or imminent use of unlawful
physical force by such other person, unless:
(a) The latter`s conduct was provoked by the actor himself with intent
to cause physical injury to another person; or
(b) The actor was the initial aggressor; except that in such case his
use of physical force is nevertheless justifiable if he has withdrawn
from the encounter and effectively communicated such withdrawal to such
other person but the latter persists in continuing the incident by the
use or threatened imminent use of unlawful physical force; or
(c) The physical force involved is the product of a combat by
agreement not specifically authorized by law.
2. A person may not use deadly physical force upon another person
under circumstances specified in subdivision one unless:
(a) He reasonably believes that such other person is using or about to
use deadly physical force. Even in such case, however, the actor may not
use deadly physical force if he knows that he can with complete safety
as to himself and others avoid the necessity of so doing by retreating;
except that he is under no duty to retreat if he is:
(i) in his dwelling and not the initial aggressor; or
(ii) a police officer or peace officer or a person assisting a police
officer or a peace officer at the latter`s direction, acting pursuant to
section 35.30; or
(b) He reasonably believes that such other person is committing or
attempting to commit a kidnapping, forcible rape, forcible sodomy or
robbery; or
(c) He reasonably believes that such other person is committing or
attempting to commit a burglary, and the circumstances are such that the
use of deadly physical force is authorized by subdivision three of
section 35.20.

.
caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/nycodes/c82/a12.html



Originally Posted By Tango7:
Does your state allow use of deadly force to protect another?

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