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Posted: 7/20/2010 6:52:25 AM EST
so when i get to his house im like oh crap he did it. There in his hand sits a high point 380, i ask what he pays he sai 140. he bought the gun brand new at a pawn shop. i calmly explain to him he just bought a $140 turd, he got alittle upset set and starts going off saying how the guy told him it was one of the best guns on the market and that it has a lifetime warranty. so i told him that the lifetime warranty comes to it that if a SHTF sitiuation arose he wouldnt be alive to use it. What does the hive mind think and what are your opinions on Highpoint.
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 6:53:55 AM EST
It's better then not having anything at all IMO, but he could have chose a lot more wisely.
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 6:53:59 AM EST
Your friends money, your friends choice.
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 6:54:18 AM EST
the gun can most likely kill you. be careful.
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 6:54:27 AM EST
Maybe it will work. Take it out and shoot it, if you can get .380. After all, it has a lifetime warranty. Like a Ginsu knife.
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 6:54:45 AM EST
Originally Posted By UBB:
It's better then not having anything at all IMO, but he could have chose a lot more wisely.


Link Posted: 7/20/2010 6:55:14 AM EST
They go bang. All the ones I've shot had no issues.

No point in getting the .380 though, it's basically the same size as the 9mm compact. Huge.
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 6:55:28 AM EST

Originally Posted By UBB:
It's better then not having anything at all IMO, but he could have chose a lot more wisely.

I want to agree, but a friend of mine once bought a Hipoint .380 and we never could get off a magazine without multiple failure to feeds.
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 6:56:00 AM EST
140$ doesn't buy much maybe it was what he could afford. Still better to watch the local classifieds for a bargan. I thought for certain when I saw the title he bought a Judge.
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 6:56:14 AM EST
I shot one that jammed about every 4 rounds. When it did shoot it actually did shoot ok, but I wouldn't rely on it for anything
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 6:56:22 AM EST
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 6:57:13 AM EST
Instead of being totally upset with him. Why don't you try to show him and explain to him the differences in the quality of some firearms.

A little education goes a long way and the way you present it will alos go a long way.
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 6:57:20 AM EST
Is it his first gun ? If so, be glad he has something. Tell him you'd like to help him pick out his next one and show him how to do research.
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 6:57:20 AM EST
If your friend gets into guns, he'll remember this moment forever. If he is destined to own a gun, but not be an enthusiast, then ignorance is bliss.
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 6:57:39 AM EST
for a little more money he could have gotten a 9x18 P-64
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 6:57:43 AM EST
Don't get your panties in a wad if your buddy didn't consult you.

If he wanted your opinion he would have asked. Some people insist on learning everything the hard way.
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 6:59:16 AM EST
Originally Posted By RooBear:
Instead of being totally upset with him. Why don't you try to show him and explain to him the differences in the quality of some firearms.

A little education goes a long way and the way you present it will alos go a long way.


i wasnt really upset with him, just dissapointed. but i asked why he didnt ask a few opinions first then talked about his choice. he wants a different one now.

Link Posted: 7/20/2010 6:59:20 AM EST
[Last Edit: 7/20/2010 6:59:38 AM EST by Aimless]
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 7:00:04 AM EST
I think Hi-Points are better then the Smith & Weson Sigma, that count
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 7:00:51 AM EST
For $140 he could have picked up a FEG PA-63, a gun that, despite it's rough finish, is made well and actually works.

I see people with HiPoints at the range, many seem to have feed issues. And the quality and strength of their parts would seriously concern me if I intended to shoot more than a couple of hundred rounds through it.
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 7:01:02 AM EST
slightly perhaps
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 7:01:05 AM EST
You get what you pay for.

Link Posted: 7/20/2010 7:01:34 AM EST
[Last Edit: 7/20/2010 7:03:08 AM EST by Mal_means_bad]
I have a 9mm, got a couple thousand round through it. Haven't cleaned it yet, haven't had to.

Pro- Cheap, stone reliable, accurate, barely warms up at all under rapid fire, kick-ass warranty service
Con- Heavy and large, lo-cap, hard to disassemble, trigger isn't Sigma-bad, or P3AT-bad, but it isn't good either

Buying one in 380 is stupid though, you embrace every possible disadvantage of the cartridge and the pistol. Expensive, hard to get, low powered ammo in lo-cap magazines in a huge gun? Poor call.
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 7:01:35 AM EST
Originally Posted By vinnyofsc:
Originally Posted By RooBear:
Instead of being totally upset with him. Why don't you try to show him and explain to him the differences in the quality of some firearms.

A little education goes a long way and the way you present it will alos go a long way.


i wasnt really upset with him, just dissapointed. but i asked why he didnt ask a few opinions first then talked about his choice. he wants a different one now.



Well, he might as well keep it and see if it fires ok.
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 7:03:30 AM EST
Originally Posted By keroppl:
No point in getting the .380 though, it's basically the same size as the 9mm compact. Huge.


What?

Link Posted: 7/20/2010 7:04:24 AM EST
Meh..... I wouldn't go out of my way to buy a highpoint, that said..... my friend bought two of them, one in 9MM and one in .45, they were heavy, clunky and just plain felt shitty to handle but...... the damn things hit what i was shooting at and went bang every time.
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 7:04:50 AM EST
I've shot 2 HiPoints. A .380 and a .40.

Though huge and kinda clunky, they were both accurate and I didn't have any function issues with the two or three mags I fired from them.

Wouldn't buy one, though.
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 7:06:02 AM EST
[Last Edit: 7/20/2010 7:06:26 AM EST by RDak]
Are they better with FMJ than with hollow points?
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 7:06:50 AM EST

Originally Posted By sum-rifle:
Originally Posted By keroppl:
No point in getting the .380 though, it's basically the same size as the 9mm compact. Huge.


What?


He is talking about the fact that the size difference between the .380 and 9mm hi point stuff is not much. They are both have the very large slides.
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 7:07:13 AM EST
A friend of mine has a HiPoint 45 acp-old one. It feels like you have a brick in your hand and heavy recoil spring. But, the damned thing never jams.
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 7:07:19 AM EST
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 7:07:23 AM EST
Had a Hipoint 9 as a truck gun for a while cheap and I didn't care if it got fucked up.
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 7:07:25 AM EST
I love being next to Hi-Point shooters at the range.

BANG...click...FUCK...rack rack...BANG...click...FUCK...rack rack...

Last year the news here reported that a man was run over by his victim's employer when he tried to rob her.

The crook tried to shoot the driver as he approached. The news showed the police evidence photo.

A Hi-Point with laser with a case jammed in that huge ejection port.

Life time warranty. Yeah, who's life time?
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 7:07:42 AM EST
Originally Posted By sum-rifle:
Originally Posted By keroppl:
No point in getting the .380 though, it's basically the same size as the 9mm compact. Huge.


What?



The "9mm Compact" is fucking enormous. It's sort of like holding a plastic/zinc Desert Eagle but with half the barrel length. The .380 is pretty much identical.
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 7:09:15 AM EST
Originally Posted By Aimless:

Originally Posted By Monkey_Wrench:
Don't get your panties in a wad if your buddy didn't consult you.

If he wanted your opinion he would have asked. Some people insist on learning everything the hard way.

What he said. If your buddy bought a shitty car or started dating an ugly woman would you get upset? He didn't ask you so it's not your responsibility.


well said.
funny...but well said.
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 7:09:34 AM EST
It's a start. If he discovers he actually likes guns, his next purchase will be a better one. And there WILL be a next purchase.

High point isn't great, but it's better than nothing.

CJ
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 7:09:38 AM EST
Shoot what's available, as long as it's available, until something better's available.

For poor people or cheapskates, nothing better ever becomes available...
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 7:10:09 AM EST

Originally Posted By ThreeMike:
You get what you pay for.


Not always. Case in point, the CZ-82 I got for $200.
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 7:10:11 AM EST

Originally Posted By Mal_means_bad:
Originally Posted By sum-rifle:
Originally Posted By keroppl:
No point in getting the .380 though, it's basically the same size as the 9mm compact. Huge.


What?



The "9mm Compact" is fucking enormous. It's sort of like holding a plastic/zinc Desert Eagle but with half the barrel length. The .380 is pretty much identical.

A dealer that I used to frequent back when I lived in NY had a humorous sign next to the single HiPoint they had in stock. It said: "World's largest .380!!"
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 7:10:16 AM EST
Hi Point is one of the best selling handguns in the country. Surprisingly enough they work. No, I don't want one, but if somebody needs/wants a handgun and just doesn't have the coin, you can do worse.
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 7:10:59 AM EST
I always tell people that are on a tight budget to get a Smith or even a taurus .38 snubby. For not much more money at all, he could have a nice used taurus .38 that goes bang every time, and is as accurate as you need for self defense.
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 7:14:34 AM EST
I'm out!!!
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 7:15:35 AM EST
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 7:16:32 AM EST
At least hes not a gun hater!
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 7:17:58 AM EST
It's a chunky pistol, but cheap. A friend wanted a handgun and I was showing her Glocks and XDs, which I thought would be a good first pistol that would fit her needs. She saw the Hipoint price tag and really wanted it. It was much cheaper than what I was recommending and it was her money, so home it went.

When I took her to the range for some training, she was putting every shot right in the center at 25 yards. She was a natural with that thing. I wasn't as good; I didn't like how it pointed. I gave her some instruction on working with malfunctions using snap caps, but the thing never jammed or had a FTF during live fire. Given how "sticky" both the slide and magazine felt, this surprised me.

I don't like the ergos of the thing and it's huge, but for the price I was impressed. Wish it could be field stripped easier since I like to thoroughly clean my guns after use.


Link Posted: 7/20/2010 7:20:11 AM EST
I've had 2 380, 2 9mms, and 3 9mm Carbines from them and all of them ran without issue. Not the best designs or the prettiest but they generally have a good reliablity record. That being said I own 0 now. I had bought a 380 and 9mm when buds did the $99 shipped / $119 Shipped sale during the rush, one of the 380s was from a local pawn shop (for $69) and one of the 9mms from a individual on a local board with extra mags for $110. Carbines were $150 used, 1 in a trade (had roughly $100 in the trade), and 1 new for $215. We have a local "Bargain Trader" magazine and I tried to sale both the 380s and 1 of the Carbines. I probably had 50-75 calls the first week and the 380s where gone for $140/150 the first day, I sold the 9mms for $175 to all the people that kept calling. And after getting $250 for a carbine, I went ahead and sold the other two. I put a high price on them expecting lower offers. I ended up buying a Sig 2022 9mm/night sights for $399, 3 used Glock 22s ($1k), and a Keltec sub2000 $299 (that took glock mags) with part of the proceeds.
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 7:20:40 AM EST
[Last Edit: 7/20/2010 7:22:47 AM EST by doomhammerdodge]
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 7:21:07 AM EST
I bought a Hi Point .380 a few years back when Buds had them for $99 shipped. The gun functioned 100% and I even had some oddball foreign .380 that my P3AT wouldn't fire but ran just fine through the Hi Point.
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 7:23:27 AM EST
My friend has one. I tried to talk him out of it, but that $90 was burning a whole in his pocket. I was suprised when we went out to shoot it that it would actually fire.

He has had it several years now and it still goes bang every time you pull the trigger. Its big, clunky and ugly, but is functional.
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 7:30:35 AM EST

Originally Posted By Ghetto:
I bought a Hi Point .380 a few years back when Buds had them for $99 shipped. The gun functioned 100% and I even had some oddball foreign .380 that my P3AT wouldn't fire but ran just fine through the Hi Point.

Yours was a brand new piece of shit.

He bought his piece of shit from a pawn shop. That means someone already decided it was a sub par piece of shit.

I'm not denying some hi points function. But it's like the old M$ xbox 360 with a 97% failure rate from launch. Just because yours still works, doesn't mean the other 999,999,999 do.
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 7:31:05 AM EST
The HiPoint hate is strong in here. I would surmise most of the hate comes from people with only second hand knowledge.

In my time behind the counter, I sold more HiPoints than anything else. Yes, they are ugly. They are clunky. They are bulky. You wont win
the gun snob beauty contest with one, that is for sure.

With that said, for someone who doesn't have much $$$, the HiPoints generally work just fine with quality ammo. If they don't, customer service from
HiPoint is second to none.

Let your friend enjoy his purchase. Go shooting with him, teach him the basics. see if the gun has any problems and if so, help him get it worked out.
That is what a shooting buddy does, not crap all over a guy for his "poor" choice in firearms.
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