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Posted: 10/30/2006 5:48:32 PM EDT
what types of features would it be. As an engineering major with access to $12 million in machine tools I'm pondering the idea of try to design a firearm and prototype it. If you could design a firearm what would you try to make? personally I'm think a .22 handgun with a double stack magazine. Any ideas?
Link Posted: 10/30/2006 5:51:45 PM EDT
[#1]
I would design a light rifle to replace the m1 carbine.  It would be made of steel and alloy, have a gas impengement system, a rotating bolt,  and a non-reciprocating charging handle.

Seriously.  Get the blue prints and go to work.  
Link Posted: 10/30/2006 5:51:52 PM EDT
[#2]
That's a good start. I'd like to see a fixed combustion chamber weapon, where the projectile and propellant are loaded seperately.

OTOH, there's probably more money in AR/XCR/556 accessories.
Link Posted: 10/30/2006 5:52:03 PM EDT
[#3]
A pistol that you can dial the velocitiy back on.  So cops could switch between lethal and less-lethal.  Do it for the puppy-dogs.
Link Posted: 10/30/2006 5:52:15 PM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:
personally I'm think a .22 handgun with a double stack magazine. Any ideas?


I doubt it would be very fun to design a magazine that will double-stack rimmed cartidges. There's a reason that it's rarely done.
Link Posted: 10/30/2006 5:52:24 PM EDT
[#5]
A sidearm similar to this, might be marketable...







deadly caliber... high capacity... light weight....
Link Posted: 10/30/2006 5:58:06 PM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
A sidearm similar to this, might be marketable...

world.guns.ru/handguns/mp-448-1.jpg

world.guns.ru/handguns/mp-448-2.jpg

world.guns.ru/handguns/mp-448-3.jpg

deadly caliber... high capacity... light weight....


Another polymer wonder gun...
Link Posted: 10/30/2006 6:01:57 PM EDT
[#7]
electric trigger / solenoid system.
Link Posted: 10/30/2006 6:02:51 PM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:

Quoted:
personally I'm think a .22 handgun with a double stack magazine. Any ideas?


I doubt it would be very fun to design a magazine that will double-stack rimmed cartidges. There's a reason that it's rarely done.


GRENDEL P30

my favorite crap gun. I wish I still had it. 30 rnds of .22mag
Link Posted: 10/30/2006 6:03:53 PM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:

Quoted:
A sidearm similar to this, might be marketable...



deadly caliber... high capacity... light weight....


Another polymer wonder gun...


you say that like its a bad thing....

Link Posted: 10/30/2006 6:07:09 PM EDT
[#10]
Get back to basics.  MAke something old school without all the gimmicks of todays market. And have fun with it.
Link Posted: 10/30/2006 6:07:29 PM EDT
[#11]
i think i would try to avoid polymers, no offense to any of you, because i'd want to mainly utilize all the machine tools available.  Any body happen to have a copy of autocad or the like to help with the design process?


ETA ^ i like the way Freerider04 thinks
Link Posted: 10/30/2006 6:08:04 PM EDT
[#12]
Squeeze cocker polymer frame double stack 10mm.
Link Posted: 10/30/2006 6:09:42 PM EDT
[#13]
Something like a modern M1/M3 rifle. There aren't a whole lot of "small" rifles like that...
Link Posted: 10/30/2006 6:10:19 PM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:
Squeeze cocker polymer frame double stack 10mm.


-with integral flash hider and red dot sight (and iron back ups)
Link Posted: 10/30/2006 6:14:25 PM EDT
[#15]
Phased plasma rifle.  I'm thinking 35... no... 40-watt range should do.
Link Posted: 10/30/2006 6:14:30 PM EDT
[#16]
I would make as many milspec lower receivers as I could and the hide them.
Link Posted: 10/30/2006 6:14:41 PM EDT
[#17]


why someone has not made a hicap 22 pistol with a magazine on THIS concept is beyond me

It has been done in the past in some esoteric  centerfire pistols
i think you could easily adapt this principle to a Beretta92/Glock17 sized magazine and still hold 30-40rds of 22LR

Link Posted: 10/30/2006 6:15:08 PM EDT
[#18]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
A sidearm similar to this, might be marketable...

world.guns.ru/handguns/mp-448-1.jpg

deadly caliber... high capacity... light weight....


Another polymer wonder gun...


you say that like its a bad thing....



Everbody and his brother has a polymer wonder pistol on the market these days..

Nothing wrong with it...just think the market is a bit corwded at this point.




Link Posted: 10/30/2006 6:15:17 PM EDT
[#19]

Quoted:
That's a good start. I'd like to see a fixed combustion chamber weapon, where the projectile and propellant are loaded seperately.

OTOH, there's probably more money in AR/XCR/556 accessories.


You would design a muzzle loader?
Link Posted: 10/30/2006 6:16:44 PM EDT
[#20]
Gas piston, 5.56, AR mags, quick change barrel, quick change forward handguard, MIAD-ish pistol grip, collapsible buttstock, low carry rail with optics rail on top, minimal use of plastics, AR-like controls.

Pretty much an XM8, but without the suck.
Link Posted: 10/30/2006 6:16:57 PM EDT
[#21]

Quoted:

why someone has not made a hicap 22 pistol with a magazine on THIS concept is beyond me

It has been done in the past in some esoteric  centerfire pistols
i think you could easily adapt this principle to a Beretta92/Glock17 sized magazine and still hold 30-40rds of 22LR



Oh hell yeah

That would make the brady bunch shreik....

Me likey

Link Posted: 10/30/2006 6:17:00 PM EDT
[#22]
A rifle in .308 that weighs less than 8 lbs. loaded, has integral picatinny rails, uses a gas piston, has a folding & collapsing stock, is ergonomic, and has built in iron sights.

It also has to be durable and easily disassembled.

I think I just described the SCAR-H...
Link Posted: 10/30/2006 6:18:26 PM EDT
[#23]

Quoted: i think i would try to avoid polymers...


why??

I've owned several Kel-Tecs, a couple of Glocks and a Kahr - (as have several MILLION other gun owners) - all with polymer frames, and have NEVER had a single problem. No KaBoooommmmmssss.... no cracked frames, nothing bad ever!

The right polymer compound will always be stronger than a machined aluminum frame, and lighter (oh,yea!!)

Link Posted: 10/30/2006 6:19:57 PM EDT
[#24]

Quoted:

why someone has not made a hicap 22 pistol with a magazine on THIS concept is beyond me

It has been done in the past in some esoteric  centerfire pistols
i think you could easily adapt this principle to a Beretta92/Glock17 sized magazine and still hold 30-40rds of 22LR





100 rounds of .22 LR in a helical feed magazine.
Link Posted: 10/30/2006 6:21:37 PM EDT
[#25]
A belt fed automatic, tripod mounted, twin barreled 12 gauge shotgun capable of firing at around 600 rounds a minute.

Loaded with buckshot you would almost create a wall of lead.

I think it would make great defensive "perimeter" weapon.  Just the sound of charging one would send the bad guys running

Link Posted: 10/30/2006 6:21:44 PM EDT
[#26]

Quoted:
what types of features would it be. As an engineering major with access to $12 million in machine tools I'm pondering the idea of try to design a firearm and prototype it. If you could design a firearm what would you try to make? personally I'm think a .22 handgun with a double stack magazine. Any ideas?


I've been mulling a design for an easily-home-makable .50 BMG rifle, using commodity parts (AR or AK FCG, M2HB or Aircraft M2 barrel, etc) and simple machining (as in anyone with a hobby lathe could make the 'special' parts (bolt face and barrel extension, in this case)...

Of course, if you do this you must NOT sell parts kits, make illegal machineguns, or threaten federal judges... The ATF might come and take you away if you do that...
Link Posted: 10/30/2006 6:23:00 PM EDT
[#27]

Quoted:

Quoted:

why someone has not made a hicap 22 pistol with a magazine on THIS concept is beyond me

It has been done in the past in some esoteric  centerfire pistols
i think you could easily adapt this principle to a Beretta92/Glock17 sized magazine and still hold 30-40rds of 22LR



www.calicolightweaponsystems.com/images/M-100P.jpg

100 rounds of .22 LR in a helical feed magazine.



and its a ungainly turd


I would love for a conventional handgun to be set up with mags like the MWG like that

the Grendel was mediocre design  very poor execution
Link Posted: 10/30/2006 6:26:36 PM EDT
[#28]
I want a 12 Gauge shotgun that loads from the top and shoots from the bottom like the one in Halo:

Link Posted: 10/30/2006 6:30:08 PM EDT
[#29]

Quoted:

Quoted: i think i would try to avoid polymers...


why??

I've owned several Kel-Tecs, a couple of Glocks and a Kahr - (as have several MILLION other gun owners) - all with polymer frames, and have NEVER had a single problem. No KaBoooommmmmssss.... no cracked frames, nothing bad ever!

The right polymer compound will always be stronger than a machined aluminum frame, and lighter (oh,yea!!)




like i said earlier i wouldn't necessarily have access to polymer technologies and I'm far from being into the chemistry to create a polymer. I would like to make something out of metal. I'm like the ideas of a small compact autoloading rifle similar to the M1 carbine or that of a high capacity .22 conversion for an existing handgun. keep the ideas coming.
Link Posted: 10/30/2006 6:31:48 PM EDT
[#30]

Quoted:

Quoted:

why someone has not made a hicap 22 pistol with a magazine on THIS concept is beyond me

It has been done in the past in some esoteric  centerfire pistols
i think you could easily adapt this principle to a Beretta92/Glock17 sized magazine and still hold 30-40rds of 22LR



Oh hell yeah

That would make the brady bunch shreik....

Me likey



That's a GREAT idea!
Link Posted: 10/30/2006 6:31:55 PM EDT
[#31]
How about a pistol design that allows you to switch between 3 different cartridges within 30 seconds.
Link Posted: 10/30/2006 6:34:05 PM EDT
[#32]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:

why someone has not made a hicap 22 pistol with a magazine on THIS concept is beyond me

It has been done in the past in some esoteric  centerfire pistols
i think you could easily adapt this principle to a Beretta92/Glock17 sized magazine and still hold 30-40rds of 22LR



www.calicolightweaponsystems.com/images/M-100P.jpg

100 rounds of .22 LR in a helical feed magazine.



and its a ungainly turd


I would love for a conventional handgun to be set up with mags like the MWG like that

the Grendel was mediocre design  very poor execution


Yup...

A .22  with a 50 round rotary magazine in the grip...
Like a Browning Hi Power

Link Posted: 10/30/2006 6:34:39 PM EDT
[#33]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:

why someone has not made a hicap 22 pistol with a magazine on THIS concept is beyond me

It has been done in the past in some esoteric  centerfire pistols
i think you could easily adapt this principle to a Beretta92/Glock17 sized magazine and still hold 30-40rds of 22LR



www.calicolightweaponsystems.com/images/M-100P.jpg

100 rounds of .22 LR in a helical feed magazine.



and its a ungainly turd


I would love for a conventional handgun to be set up with mags like the MWG like that

the Grendel was mediocre design  very poor execution


The 10/22 uses a rotary-feed magazine. I don't see how someone could adapt that to use in a conventional handgun.
Link Posted: 10/30/2006 6:37:29 PM EDT
[#34]
http://www.endoshoji.com/img468.jpg
Seburo

M-5 - Seburo M5 is a medium-sized SA/DA handgun that fires 5.45 x 18 mm 7N7 cartridge used in the Russian PSM and OTs-23 pistols. M5 has an ambidextrous safety, and its magazine holds 20 rounds.

Picture of Seburo M-5
Link Posted: 10/30/2006 6:38:45 PM EDT
[#35]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:

why someone has not made a hicap 22 pistol with a magazine on THIS concept is beyond me

It has been done in the past in some esoteric  centerfire pistols
i think you could easily adapt this principle to a Beretta92/Glock17 sized magazine and still hold 30-40rds of 22LR



www.calicolightweaponsystems.com/images/M-100P.jpg

100 rounds of .22 LR in a helical feed magazine.



and its a ungainly turd


I would love for a conventional handgun to be set up with mags like the MWG like that

the Grendel was mediocre design  very poor execution


The 10/22 uses a rotary-feed magazine. I don't see how someone could adapt that to use in a conventional handgun.


The man is an engineer...

That's his problem to figure out


Build it and we will come
Link Posted: 10/30/2006 6:39:07 PM EDT
[#36]
Military 5.56 Rifle:

Bullpup direct impingement, but would it be possible to blow the gas back into a chamber behind the bolt face to push the bcg back, thus being cleaner on the bolt and extractor.

Takes quad stack 60 round magazines, fires closed bolt on semi and open bolt on full auto.  40mm grenade launcher in front to balance it out.  Old 30round AR mags would work as well.  Front left side charging handle, easily switchable as is the ejection port.  Can be done with no tools.

Integrated optic with IR laser/illum/light built into a 1xRDS sight that is also etched.  The hole unit running off one battery pack.  Add a magnifier with range finder if needed, or a Slim NVG unit (only has the tube, no illum etc).  Fixed folding 0-600m BUIS with windage, elevation and range adjustments.

Integrated Suppressor/Moderator On the end of a 20" barrel.

Civilian Rifle:
Same rifle without the FA or 40mm.

More Civilian Rifles
A Mini-Garand that takes 10 5.56mm rounds on en-block clips, 18" barrel.  If its feasible make it a 15 round en block clip.  This would be insurance against other bans and to be marketed in commie states.

Pistols:
Line of fullsize, compact and subcompact double stack pistols in 45, 10mm, 40, 9mm and 22 (with a tripple or quad stacked mag which would give lke a 20 or 30 round capacity) that use the same frame.  Add longer slide assemblies for the larger guns and add on grip extensions to extend the mag well down.  Also make a carbine that uses the same mags like the storm.

Also add a line of single stack pistols with the same models.

Carbine/PDW:  A cheap 5.56mm weapon that uses AR mags, and the mags are horiztonal out the left side like a sten gun.  Trigger is under the mag well/ejectionport area for a compact weapon.  Bonus points if it uses AR parts.  16" railed FF weapon.

A modular AR-15 mag well block for popular pistol magazines to work in AR's w/o having to get dedicated lowers (like the OLy Arms KGL9) or blocks that only use SMG mags.
Link Posted: 10/30/2006 6:40:07 PM EDT
[#37]

Quoted:
electric trigger / solenoid system.


Thing thats illegal per ATF since you are not the one physically firing it or some such BS.  Easy to "reprogram" for full auto was their excuse.
Link Posted: 10/30/2006 6:40:47 PM EDT
[#38]

Quoted:
what types of features would it be. As an engineering major with access to $12 million in machine tools I'm pondering the idea of try to design a firearm and prototype it. If you could design a firearm what would you try to make? personally I'm think a .22 handgun with a double stack magazine. Any ideas?



ahahah I have like 200-300 different weapon ideas and most of them are realistic...but i dont have a degree or the machine tools......what kind-of-deal do you want to make.....

Im talking from pistols,rifles,crew served, grenades, missiles, all kinds of stuff
Link Posted: 10/30/2006 6:41:49 PM EDT
[#39]
Single stack
Single action
available in the 3 major calibers (or just 9mm/45)
decent capacity
smooth 4 lb trigger pull
Link Posted: 10/30/2006 6:41:57 PM EDT
[#40]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:

why someone has not made a hicap 22 pistol with a magazine on THIS concept is beyond me

It has been done in the past in some esoteric  centerfire pistols
i think you could easily adapt this principle to a Beretta92/Glock17 sized magazine and still hold 30-40rds of 22LR



www.calicolightweaponsystems.com/images/M-100P.jpg

100 rounds of .22 LR in a helical feed magazine.



and its a ungainly turd


I would love for a conventional handgun to be set up with mags like the MWG like that

the Grendel was mediocre design  very poor execution


The 10/22 uses a rotary-feed magazine. I don't see how someone could adapt that to use in a conventional handgun.



this would be plausible in the fact that you'd take the idea behind this and frankistein it with an existing magazine out there with the proper feed lips to function with a .22 top end conversion for a standard pistol.

does anyone have rough dimensions for one of those rotary mags, as in how tall it is in comparison to a glock 17 mag?
Link Posted: 10/30/2006 6:43:25 PM EDT
[#41]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:

why someone has not made a hicap 22 pistol with a magazine on THIS concept is beyond me

It has been done in the past in some esoteric  centerfire pistols
i think you could easily adapt this principle to a Beretta92/Glock17 sized magazine and still hold 30-40rds of 22LR



www.calicolightweaponsystems.com/images/M-100P.jpg

100 rounds of .22 LR in a helical feed magazine.



and its a ungainly turd


I would love for a conventional handgun to be set up with mags like the MWG like that

the Grendel was mediocre design  very poor execution


The 10/22 uses a rotary-feed magazine. I don't see how someone could adapt that to use in a conventional handgun.


Did you look at the picture of the MWG?

It has already been done on a couple weird 20rd .32s in the 1920s anyway
Link Posted: 10/30/2006 6:44:25 PM EDT
[#42]
Whatever it is, I would make it out of Titanium.  Like a solid bolt rifle that is 100% titanium.  Maybe in, say, 338 Lapula Mag.  That sucker wouldn't budge an inch, but would be rock solid and never rust.
Link Posted: 10/30/2006 6:47:14 PM EDT
[#43]

Quoted:

Quoted:
electric trigger / solenoid system.


Thing thats illegal per ATF since you are not the one physically firing it or some such BS.  Easy to "reprogram" for full auto was their excuse.



Easy enough in paintball...
Link Posted: 10/30/2006 6:47:45 PM EDT
[#44]

Quoted:
Carbine/PDW:  A cheap 5.56mm weapon that uses AR mags, and the mags are horiztonal out the left side like a sten gun.  Trigger is under the mag well/ejectionport area for a compact weapon.  Bonus points if it uses AR parts.  16" railed FF weapon.



I like that one, it's pretty cool...
Link Posted: 10/30/2006 6:49:54 PM EDT
[#45]
Pretty much the AR with a cleaner OS, or an M1 Carbine type rifle in 5.56 that takes AR mags basically a slightly bigger copy of the M1 Carbine in a better cartridge(no thats NOT the mini-14).



Id really like a SCAR/XCR rifle that takes AK mags in 7.62x39
Link Posted: 10/30/2006 6:57:45 PM EDT
[#46]
so furthering the modernized M1 carbine idea. what type of operating system would be preferable? How many rounds would you want it to hold? what about a sort of hybrid between the m14, ar15, and M1 carbine?
Link Posted: 10/30/2006 6:58:21 PM EDT
[#47]
An AK in .45 ACP.

An AR in 7mm Remington Magnum.

A semi-automatic handgun chambered in .577 T-Rex.  


CJ
Link Posted: 10/30/2006 7:00:13 PM EDT
[#48]

Quoted:
An AK in .45 ACP.

An AR in 7mm Remington Magnum.

A semi-automatic handgun chambered in .577 T-Rex.  


CJ


I have a design for a semi small idea semiauto pistol for rounds of .308nato or larger using a three round magazine basically the chamber then a 2-3 inch barrel...no real use but cool as hell to load and fire....
Link Posted: 10/30/2006 7:00:45 PM EDT
[#49]

Quoted:
I want a 12 Gauge shotgun that loads from the top and shoots from the bottom like the one in Halo:

img83.imageshack.us/img83/7007/wshotgunzh4.jpg


but the one in halo is a 8GA
Link Posted: 10/30/2006 7:02:50 PM EDT
[#50]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I want a 12 Gauge shotgun that loads from the top and shoots from the bottom like the one in Halo:

img83.imageshack.us/img83/7007/wshotgunzh4.jpg


but the one in halo is a 8GA


And it hold 15 shells
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