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Posted: 12/7/2001 8:34:23 PM EDT
Good evening gentlemen I was accepted to the north west missouri police academy!!!! [:D] Do you happen to have links for; equipment, supplies,training? Any experience with the kevlar gloves in relation to hypodermic needles? Looking forward to your responses JR
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Link Posted: 12/7/2001 9:41:19 PM EDT
Originally Posted By shotar: To know Galls is to love Galls, a catalog or 20 can be found in any squad room and once you are on the list you will never go without a catalog or 4, most inefficient marketing in the world.
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[url]http://www.galls.com/index.jsp[/url]
Link Posted: 12/8/2001 2:25:43 AM EDT
Originally Posted By vegasAR: Any experience with the kevlar gloves in relation to hypodermic needles?
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I don't have any firsthand experience re: kevlar against needles. But I do know that wearing spectra/kevlar lined gloves during a pat-down/search really inhibits your ability to find small objects. You should learn at the academy how to perform a search and minimize needle exposure. Looking in pockets before reaching in, things like that. Good luck. SeMPer Fi
Link Posted: 12/8/2001 6:00:28 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/8/2001 7:41:52 AM EDT
FWIW- listen to Striker on this. He is in corrections and in my experience- the CO's do a much better job at frisking than cops. They have real pros on the inside trying to hide stuff and geting the time to plan and try things out. As such, their job and safety depends much more on a real good pat down. Actually- IMHO- the CO's usually have real good OC/mace equipment that really work well(live testing no doubt ;) and they have very good riot and crown control plans and formations. My brother is in corections and his skills in these area are awesome.
Link Posted: 12/8/2001 8:36:18 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/8/2001 9:24:14 AM EDT
Pay no attention to Vampire. You'll get plenty of chances to deal with jackasses like that.
Link Posted: 12/8/2001 9:31:36 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/8/2001 9:41:03 AM EDT
Vampire, give it a rest or I'll send a Case instead of the AR15.com CRKT.
Link Posted: 12/8/2001 9:47:22 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Vampire:
Originally Posted By Waverunner: Pay no attention to Vampire. You'll get plenty of chances to deal with jackasses like that.
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LOL.. a blue shirt w/ a tude...
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Thanks to the new forum this guy has a whole new reason to live.
Link Posted: 12/8/2001 9:47:51 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Vampire:
Originally Posted By Waverunner: Pay no attention to Vampire. You'll get plenty of chances to deal with jackasses like that.
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LOL.. a blue shirt w/ a tude...
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You know who I am, and most everyone here knows where I work. Nice to know you don't have the balls to do the same. Have a nice day.
Link Posted: 12/8/2001 9:48:11 AM EDT
Originally Posted By DonR: Vampire, give it a rest or I'll send a Case instead of the AR15.com CRKT.
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What is "a Case" and a "CRKT"?
Link Posted: 12/8/2001 9:49:44 AM EDT
The knife. Now, give it a rest.
Link Posted: 12/8/2001 10:08:58 AM EDT
Originally Posted By DonR: The knife. Now, give it a rest.
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I have no clue what yer talking about...
Link Posted: 12/8/2001 10:10:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/9/2001 9:07:16 AM EDT by doorgunner]
Originally Posted By Waverunner:
Originally Posted By Vampire:
Originally Posted By Waverunner: Pay no attention to Vampire. You'll get plenty of chances to deal with jackasses like that.
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LOL.. a blue shirt w/ a tude...
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You know who I am, and most everyone here knows where I work. Nice to know you don't have the balls to do the same. Have a nice day.
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Link Posted: 12/8/2001 10:17:06 AM EDT
OK, Vampire. You've been asked to knock this shit off and seem to believe that you don't have to. You've been Locked up.
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Link Posted: 12/8/2001 1:22:22 PM EDT
Originally Posted By VA-gunnut: I thought you could only do searches once the individual was actually taken into custody. If the person was not in custody any small objects if found (drugs) then it would not be admissible into evidence. Just curios.
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You can search with consent, probable cause, incident to a lawfull arrest, ect. None of which means you necesarily have to handcuff and take the person to jail. When I cite and release someone in the field for a misdemeanor, technically they are under "arrest" and I will do a thorough search of them most of the time.
Link Posted: 12/8/2001 1:41:10 PM EDT
Thanks for the responses guys. Excellent point jorge regarding search techniques. Of course I would not jam my hands into the pockets, just merely looking for additional protection. Striker; the Hatch gloves were my first choice. Thank you for the tip regarding a smaller size.
Link Posted: 12/8/2001 2:07:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/8/2001 2:00:51 PM EDT by Sukebe]
Originally Posted By VA-gunnut: Just to break off the fine discussion that has been going, but I have a question. I thought when doing a pat down you were only suppose to be checking for things that could be used as weapons? As in executing a Terry stop. I thought you could only do searches once the individual was actually taken into custody. If the person was not in custody any small objects if found (drugs) then it would not be admissible into evidence. Just curios.
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You've heard of plain view? Well, there is a concept that is accepted commonly called "plain feel". If while conducting a legal pat down for weapons (Terry stop) an officer comes across an object that he immediately recognizes by feel to be contra-band he can go further, say into pockets and what is found is admissible. It's all in the paper work and testimony. You must articulate that you recognized the object that you felt and by feel alone. No manipulating the object through clothing to make sure it is what you think it is. Now you have an arrestable offense and search incident to arrest takes over.
Link Posted: 12/8/2001 3:49:47 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/8/2001 3:57:59 PM EDT
Searching with gloves is for people who don't know any better. You are very likely to miss something. I don't use them. When arguing a "plain feel" arrest in court your best bet is to attack the officers experience and training. How did he recognize the object, how could he be sure it wasn't' something else, give examples. Creating reasonable doubt in the minds of the jurors is the key to a good defense strategy.
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Link Posted: 12/9/2001 2:59:32 PM EDT
latex gloves are my personal favorite. Cant feel anything through leather. Like the idea of having a barrier between my hands and some of the disease ridden ppl I encounter on a daily basis. I also wash my hands ALOT.
Link Posted: 12/9/2001 3:38:17 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/9/2001 4:24:49 PM EDT
Originally Posted By VA-gunnut: Just to break off the fine discussion that has been going, but I have a question. I thought when doing a pat down you were only suppose to be checking for things that could be used as weapons? As in executing a Terry stop. I thought you could only do searches once the individual was actually taken into custody. If the person was not in custody any small objects if found (drugs) then it would not be admissible into evidence. Just curios.
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You also have to consider search incident to arrest. Where you'd be doing (hopefully) a very thorough search. You should also consider searching a prisoner when you recieve him from another agency or from another officer on the street. We always (usually [:p]) seacrh every time the prisoner is handed off. I had a corrections background and that paid off when I went to county and etc etc,. Keep some hand sanitizer in your car or bag and use it often, especially when you can't get to the sink to wash. Latex gloves are also a must. You will be surprised what these mopes have. Congrats on the academy appointment!! 1*
Link Posted: 12/10/2001 7:29:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/10/2001 7:21:39 AM EDT by Waverunner]
Originally Posted By LE6920: Keep some hand sanitizer in your car or bag and use it often, especially when you can't get to the sink to wash. Latex gloves are also a must. You will be surprised what these mopes have. Congrats on the academy appointment!! 1*
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Excellent advice, nothing beats a good hand sanitizer AKA "Skell Gel" when you can't get to soap and water right away!
Link Posted: 12/10/2001 7:41:23 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/10/2001 8:50:20 AM EDT
IN my opinion, the nitrile gloves give better dexterity than latex and are certainly more puncture resistant.. Some hints when trying to get gloves stocked in your squad car... #1 - latex allergies are common... mention you may be developing one and suggest either powder free latex gloves (powder free are generally the better quality) or nitrile as an alternative #2 - the gloves can do double duty. Depending on the administration's bent, you could call them "fingerprinting gloves", "EMS gloves", "Search gloves"...whatever, just get em in the cars. I always try to chuck a box out of the ambulance into any open squad car trunk, if I know the unit is not equipped with them... I simply cannot understand the metality that leaves folks without proper protection... stay safe and well
Link Posted: 12/10/2001 2:50:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/10/2001 2:44:28 PM EDT by leoAR]
vegasAR, Kevlar lined gloves might prevent a slicing attack from an edged weapon, and that's a big MIGHT, but I don't believe they would be any protection from a hypodermic needle puncture. The best rule of thumb is to never stick your hand in an area (such as underneath a car seat) without looking first. Good luck in your new profession. Be safe, Mike
Link Posted: 12/10/2001 7:03:52 PM EDT
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