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Posted: 12/7/2001 9:29:39 PM EDT
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To know Galls is to love Galls, a catalog or 20 can be found in any squad room and once you are on the list you will never go without a catalog or 4, most inefficient marketing in the world.
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Posted: 12/7/2001 9:41:19 PM EDT
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Quoted: To know Galls is to love Galls, a catalog or 20 can be found in any squad room and once you are on the list you will never go without a catalog or 4, most inefficient marketing in the world. [url]http://www.galls.com/index.jsp[/url] |
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Posted: 12/8/2001 2:25:43 AM EDT
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Quoted: Any experience with the kevlar gloves in relation to hypodermic needles? I don't have any firsthand experience re: kevlar against needles. But I do know that wearing spectra/kevlar lined gloves during a pat-down/search really inhibits your ability to find small objects. You should learn at the academy how to perform a search and minimize needle exposure. Looking in pockets before reaching in, things like that. Good luck. SeMPer Fi |
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Posted: 12/8/2001 6:00:28 AM EDT
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Quoted: Good evening gentlemen I was accepted to the north west missouri police academy!!!! [:D] [blue]Congratulations[/blue] Do you happen to have links for; equipment, supplies,training? [blue]A few but they are on the wrong side of the border[/blue][:)] Any experience with the kevlar gloves in relation to hypodermic needles? [blue]I wear/use Hatch FriskMaster gloves at work everyday. They are "cut proof" not puncture proof. To the best of my knowledge there isn't a puncture proof glove on the market. Proper search technique is your best defense. [b]DON'T PUT YOUR HANDS ANYWHERE YOU CAN'T SEE!!![/B] Don't slide your hands down arms or legs. Hence the word "pat" down. cons have been known to sew fish hooks into the seams of their pant legs to stab anyone searching them. With Hatch gloves I wear a size medium where my normal gloves are large. They are a little tight but I can pick a dime up off the floor so I have good dexterity with them on.[/blue] Looking forward to your responses JR |
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Posted: 12/8/2001 7:41:52 AM EDT
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FWIW- listen to Striker on this. He is in corrections and in my experience- the CO's do a much better job at frisking than cops. They have real pros on the inside trying to hide stuff and geting the time to plan and try things out. As such, their job and safety depends much more on a real good pat down.
Actually- IMHO- the CO's usually have real good OC/mace equipment that really work well(live testing no doubt ;) and they have very good riot and crown control plans and formations. My brother is in corections and his skills in these area are awesome. |
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Posted: 12/8/2001 8:36:18 AM EDT
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EDITED by Doorgunner, due to useless content.
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Posted: 12/8/2001 9:24:14 AM EDT
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Pay no attention to Vampire. You'll get plenty of chances to deal with jackasses like that.
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Posted: 12/8/2001 9:31:36 AM EDT
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EDITED by Doorgunner due to useless content.
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Posted: 12/8/2001 9:41:03 AM EDT
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Vampire, give it a rest or I'll send a Case instead of the AR15.com CRKT.
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Posted: 12/8/2001 9:47:22 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Pay no attention to Vampire. You'll get plenty of chances to deal with jackasses like that. LOL.. a blue shirt w/ a tude... Thanks to the new forum this guy has a whole new reason to live. |
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Posted: 12/8/2001 9:47:51 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Pay no attention to Vampire. You'll get plenty of chances to deal with jackasses like that. LOL.. a blue shirt w/ a tude... You know who I am, and most everyone here knows where I work. Nice to know you don't have the balls to do the same. Have a nice day. |
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Posted: 12/8/2001 9:48:11 AM EDT
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Quoted: Vampire, give it a rest or I'll send a Case instead of the AR15.com CRKT. What is "a Case" and a "CRKT"? |
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Posted: 12/8/2001 9:49:44 AM EDT
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The knife. Now, give it a rest.
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Posted: 12/8/2001 10:08:58 AM EDT
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Quoted: The knife. Now, give it a rest. I have no clue what yer talking about... |
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Posted: 12/8/2001 10:10:03 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Pay no attention to Vampire. You'll get plenty of chances to deal with jackasses like that. LOL.. a blue shirt w/ a tude... You know who I am, and most everyone here knows where I work. Nice to know you don't have the balls to do the same. Have a nice day. EDITED by Doorgunner due to useless content. |
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Posted: 12/8/2001 10:17:06 AM EDT
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OK, Vampire. You've been asked to knock this shit off and seem to believe that you don't have to. You've been Locked up.
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Posted: 12/8/2001 10:40:22 AM EDT
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Have you ever noticed that this is the same type that complains about crime in their neighborhood but gets downright indignant when ya tag them for speeding.
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Posted: 12/8/2001 11:19:53 AM EDT
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Just to break off the fine discussion that has been going, but I have a question. I thought when doing a pat down you were only suppose to be checking for things that could be used as weapons? As in executing a Terry stop. I thought you could only do searches once the individual was actually taken into custody. If the person was not in custody any small objects if found (drugs) then it would not be admissible into evidence. Just curios.
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Posted: 12/8/2001 1:22:22 PM EDT
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Quoted: I thought you could only do searches once the individual was actually taken into custody. If the person was not in custody any small objects if found (drugs) then it would not be admissible into evidence. Just curios. You can search with consent, probable cause, incident to a lawfull arrest, ect. None of which means you necesarily have to handcuff and take the person to jail. When I cite and release someone in the field for a misdemeanor, technically they are under "arrest" and I will do a thorough search of them most of the time. |
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Posted: 12/8/2001 1:41:10 PM EDT
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Thanks for the responses guys.
Excellent point jorge regarding search techniques. Of course I would not jam my hands into the pockets, just merely looking for additional protection. Striker; the Hatch gloves were my first choice. Thank you for the tip regarding a smaller size. |
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Posted: 12/8/2001 2:07:41 PM EDT
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Quoted: Just to break off the fine discussion that has been going, but I have a question. I thought when doing a pat down you were only suppose to be checking for things that could be used as weapons? As in executing a Terry stop. I thought you could only do searches once the individual was actually taken into custody. If the person was not in custody any small objects if found (drugs) then it would not be admissible into evidence. Just curios. You've heard of plain view? Well, there is a concept that is accepted commonly called "plain feel". If while conducting a legal pat down for weapons (Terry stop) an officer comes across an object that he immediately recognizes by feel to be contra-band he can go further, say into pockets and what is found is admissible. It's all in the paper work and testimony. You must articulate that you recognized the object that you felt and by feel alone. No manipulating the object through clothing to make sure it is what you think it is. Now you have an arrestable offense and search incident to arrest takes over. |
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Posted: 12/8/2001 3:49:47 PM EDT
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Thanks to both responses,
AR15fan, I understand the concept once they are in custody, once they feel that they are no longer free to leave on their own they technically are in custody if I have my info correct. I was just referring to a Terry Stop. Sukebe, that being said how likely would your explanation be if you were wearing a thick pair of gloves while doing such a pat down. How do you successfully argue "plain feel" if you are wearing gloves. |
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Posted: 12/8/2001 3:57:59 PM EDT
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Searching with gloves is for people who don't know any better. You are very likely to miss something. I don't use them. When arguing a "plain feel" arrest in court your best bet is to attack the officers experience and training. How did he recognize the object, how could he be sure it wasn't' something else, give examples. Creating reasonable doubt in the minds of the jurors is the key to a good defense strategy.
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Posted: 12/9/2001 7:29:15 AM EDT
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I hope I don't ever have to worry about coming up with good defenses for things like this. I am just curios because I am in the theoretical stage of things. I am working on my ADJ degree and we discuss this kind of stuff but it is not the same as real world encounters.
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Posted: 12/9/2001 2:59:32 PM EDT
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latex gloves are my personal favorite. Cant feel anything through leather. Like the idea of having a barrier between my hands and some of the disease ridden ppl I encounter on a daily basis. I also wash my hands ALOT.
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Posted: 12/9/2001 3:38:17 PM EDT
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Quoted: latex gloves are my personal favorite. Cant feel anything through leather. Like the idea of having a barrier between my hands and some of the disease ridden ppl I encounter on a daily basis. I also wash my hands ALOT. I always use latex too when we are searching inmates. If it is a non routine or surprise search and there is a chance the shanks might be coming out I wear the FriskMasters under latex. Ditto the hand washing. |
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Posted: 12/9/2001 4:24:49 PM EDT
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Quoted: Just to break off the fine discussion that has been going, but I have a question. I thought when doing a pat down you were only suppose to be checking for things that could be used as weapons? As in executing a Terry stop. I thought you could only do searches once the individual was actually taken into custody. If the person was not in custody any small objects if found (drugs) then it would not be admissible into evidence. Just curios. You also have to consider search incident to arrest. Where you'd be doing (hopefully) a very thorough search. You should also consider searching a prisoner when you recieve him from another agency or from another officer on the street. We always (usually [:p]) seacrh every time the prisoner is handed off. I had a corrections background and that paid off when I went to county and etc etc,. Keep some hand sanitizer in your car or bag and use it often, especially when you can't get to the sink to wash. Latex gloves are also a must. You will be surprised what these mopes have. Congrats on the academy appointment!! 1* |
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Posted: 12/10/2001 7:29:10 AM EDT
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Quoted: Keep some hand sanitizer in your car or bag and use it often, especially when you can't get to the sink to wash. Latex gloves are also a must. You will be surprised what these mopes have. Congrats on the academy appointment!! 1* Excellent advice, nothing beats a good hand sanitizer AKA "Skell Gel" when you can't get to soap and water right away! |
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Posted: 12/10/2001 7:41:23 AM EDT
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As for latex gloves..your first trip to emergency..ask one of the nurses for some of the good surgical latex ones. Our employer was buying ones that were so cheap they tore when you tried to put them on.
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Posted: 12/10/2001 8:50:20 AM EDT
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IN my opinion, the nitrile gloves give better dexterity than latex and are certainly more puncture resistant..
Some hints when trying to get gloves stocked in your squad car... #1 - latex allergies are common... mention you may be developing one and suggest either powder free latex gloves (powder free are generally the better quality) or nitrile as an alternative #2 - the gloves can do double duty. Depending on the administration's bent, you could call them "fingerprinting gloves", "EMS gloves", "Search gloves"...whatever, just get em in the cars. I always try to chuck a box out of the ambulance into any open squad car trunk, if I know the unit is not equipped with them... I simply cannot understand the metality that leaves folks without proper protection... stay safe and well |
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Posted: 12/10/2001 2:50:38 PM EDT
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vegasAR,
Kevlar lined gloves might prevent a slicing attack from an edged weapon, and that's a big MIGHT, but I don't believe they would be any protection from a hypodermic needle puncture. The best rule of thumb is to never stick your hand in an area (such as underneath a car seat) without looking first. Good luck in your new profession. Be safe, Mike |
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Posted: 12/10/2001 7:03:52 PM EDT
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I am going to go with medicjim on the nitrile gloves. Ten times better then latex gloves.
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