Getting better all the time, here's two I just took

It looks like your reloads are way to hot, and you're seating plug is incorrect for that bullet.

blurry and blotchy photos are good?  

still not as good as my Note 4

Wheres the gun pics?

LOL, actually those are good guesses but way off on both.

The primer is the result of a broken bolt (AR style rifle)

The second got dropped on the tip onto the floor.

In a recent comparison test it came in third place behind the Galaxy S7 and Google Pixel.

Seem pretty good for a cell phone!



Put up or shut up!  

iPhone anything is still retarded.

Totally agree. Got an iPhone 7 128GB on Monday and I absolutely love it. The camera is phenomenal. This was taken out of the box without messing with any of the settings.

Yes it does.

Negative.   It takes shit photos

I have one.   So ask me how I know


Apple is keeping this somewhat hidden and kill any forum talk about a bullshit 12mp camera

Go on your iphone 7 and select the 12 MP amount so you can take higher res photos for printing etc.   tell me what setting you are on.

Post back.

Just upgraded to a s7 edge from a note 3. The difference in picture quality is amazing, it can actually take a recognizable picture inside and in low light! My old Iphone 4s camera was better than my note 3.

Did you crop those?  They look pixelated as hell and have lots of noise in my opinion.
Here's a quick snap I just took with my Nexus 5 which is almost 4 years old:

They are pixelated because the resolution is probably 2MP

Looks like digital zoom.

When OP wants your opinion, he will give it to you.

Just snapped the pic, posted to PB and linked here.

I turned on the HDR for this one-

Phone cams have come a long way in a short time.  I had just gotten an iPhone 6 or maybe it was a 6s when we went on vacation about 18 months ago.  The pictures and video it shot made me realize there was zero reason for me to ever own a dedicated still or video camera again.

I would say so: 
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Let me attempt to 1 up the OP's Phone camera abilities...  Also with an iPhone7

by Shift_Six, on Flickr

dude honestly the quality still looks like shit

WOW!

Great pic!
Snapped a pic of this creature at the end of my desk-

Put down the HDR slider and step away from the iPhone... slowly...

OP - wasn't trying to bust your balls, sorry if I came off that way, but PLEASE try again without using digital zoom.  Digital zoom really distorts everything.  Focus as close as you can without zooming and post that picture, I promise it will be 10x better.

Too much zoom?  I'll try backing it off more, I don't think I have a working camera anymore to compare it to.

Better?

much

its the zoom that kills the quality on camera phones.   The new phones take nice shots but the zoom absolutely murders the quality.

The sound quality is also leaps and bounds better than the iPhone 5 (my previous phone)

Is anyone checking their phones to see what resolution their pics are?

I'm telling you guys, the camera is shit and should be considered false advertising by Apple

Just for giggles, can you guys please post up what resolution your camera setting is on?

for your average person the camera is fine, in decent light or outside the shots are fine.  Not everyone is a fucking pixel peeper, 99% of people are just taking photos of their dog, kids or a retarded selfie

You can't select the resolution for photos on an iPhone 7.

Bingo!

Apple forums are certain the supposed 12MP camera is limiting the resolution to 3-4MP tops.

Hence the grainy photos regardless of using the digital zoom.

Shutterfly and other photo printing sites are reporting the same if you talk to their tech folks and have them analyze your pics.

The camera on my iPhone 7 is maybe 50% as good as the camera on my old galaxy s5

Apple is fleecing us on the camera claims.   Don't believe me, download a photo analysis app.

I'm not switching back to Samsung for other reasons, but I am pissed that I didn't get the camera I supposedly paid for

I don't know what a pixel peeper is......
but it makes a difference if you want to do something as basic as print a 4x6 photo at CVS.    A thumb wheel 35mm disposable makes better 4x6 prints

An iPhone 7 should damn well do the same

Didnt know this.  Not sure if it's a viable reading but anything from my phone uploaded into Flickr is 72 DPI

The phone cams have pretty much killed off the low-end of the P&S camera market, and is treading pretty hard on the middle. The Iphone 7 is treading pretty hard on the upper end of the P&S market.

btw some people don't have very high regards for Ken Rockwell, but I find he is spot on many times, but as always you should do your own research.

BTW the Leica camera he mentions in the quote below is a super high-end digital camera in the $5-6K range. Lenses are like $3K

Ken Rockwell's website.
http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/00-new-today.htm
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(This is only part of the review, the full review can be seen at
I compared the iPhone 6S Plus to other state-of-the-art cameras a year ago)

For measure,  my Samsung S6 is 16mp (16:9)  53312x2988

Only thing I did was turn off HDR and snap a shot from default settings.

My iPhone 7+ takes shit pics.  The 6+ did better for me.

Apple iPhone 7 vs iPhone 7 Plus: CamerasThe camera department is where you'll see the biggest difference between the iPhone 7 and the iPhone 7 Plus. The iPhone 7 features a single 12-megapixel sensor with a f/1.8 aperture, while the iPhone 7 Plus features two 12-megapixel rear camera. The first is a wide-angle lens with a f/1.8 aperture, the other is a telephoto lens with a f/2.8 aperture.This allows the iPhone 7 Plus to offer optical zoom at two times and digital zoom up to 10 times, while the iPhone 7 is only capable of digital zoom up to five times. It also means the larger device will be able to create bokeh images, when the update arrives later this year, while the iPhone 7 won't.Aside from that, both the iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus feature the same functionality. They both have optical image stabilisation, something only the Plus has had in the past, and they both have a new Quad-LED True Tone flash. They also offer wide colour capture, body and face detection and 4K video recording.The front camera is also the same on both devices with a 7-megapixel snapper featuring an f/2.2 aperture, Retina Flash and auto image stabilisation. The front camera is capable of 1080p video recording and wide colour capture and body and face detection are on board here too.

Most color camera sensors in phones (if not all) use a Bayer image format.  Basically, each pixel only sees one color - R, G, or B.  In order to get an actual color for each pixel, each pixel is evaluated along with the neighboring pixels to estimate a color.  There are different Bayer processing techniques that range in effectiveness and speed.  Some have an output that is the same resolution as the input.  Others are 1/4 the resolution.  In either case, the amount of detail is about the same.  

In reality, the lens quality is far more important than the resolution when you are talking about digital photos.  A bajillion megapixels doesn't do a damn thing for you when you have a cheap, tiny lens protected by a tiny window covered with finger smudges and pocket lint.  Camera phones would actually better off with lower resolution sensors.  They are more sensitive to light, they are faster, and are more energy efficient.  But megapixels sell cameras so here we are...

I dislike Ken Rockwell because he advocates shooting DSLR photos straight to JPEG instead of properly shooting in RAW/NEF/etc and doing your own post processing.  And THEN, in your quote, he goes on to say that iPhone cameras take nearly as good of photos as high end digital cameras, but that is only because he isn't taking full advantage of his DSLR.

I'm no expert, but my wife has the iPhone 6.   She took the same photo at the same time as I did of our son for Xmas, her photo printed out clear, mine didn't.   A poster above said his iPhone 6 did better as well.

Also, every photo with my lower MP galaxy 5 prints out clearer.  

I don't know how MP size sells cameras, when it would be nice just to have a $700 camera phone that makes clear 4x6 prints.    You could call it whatever MP you want, but I would rather have that than marketing hype

I have been impressed with my 7 camera so far.  Leaps and bounds better than my 5's camera.  Low light is suppose to be improved but I haven't noticed much difference there so far. Not quite as grainy but still pretty bad.  Just finally figured out how to change video quality settings thanks to this thread.

I'm not necessarily saying an iPhone 7 is better than an iPhone 6 or a Samsung whatever.  I've never compared them side-by-side.  I'm just telling you that a 3MP output from a color sensor doesn't necessarily mean they aren't using the full 12MP.

ETA And it doesn't necessarily explain the lower quality on your print - unless of course they actually are cropping the sensor which would be f'n retarded.

I would bet that the vast majority of arcommers suck at taking photos and make the camera look worse.

So it might be as good as the Note 4? LOL Apple cameras are way behind the Samsung

12 whole MP?!?! The S4 has 13 and came out in 2013. The Note 4 through S7 Edge are 16. Way to go Apple!!!

In the camera world, megapixels don't mean a whole lot. Especially in phones. It's mostly a number to sell you. Way to go, you got sold!!

OT: Sorry to get this a bit off-topic, but I agree with him on the point on shooting straight to JPEG; I shoot many photos of the kids at my local high school, and I have hundreds of photos, and on occasions >1,000 or so. And I usually post 90-100% of them. It would be very time consuming to convert all those photos from raw to .JPEG. Also I have seen some of the photos taken on Iphones by the other parents, and they are pretty good, they are not even remotely interested in photography just want a pic of their own kid.

Rockwell also calls the "P" mode  exposure, "professional." I always thought about it as "program mode," because it has widest combinations of shutter speeds and f-stop openings. But as long as we are all agree what is happen and that we are all on the same page.  I used the "P" setting whenever possible.

Rockwell is also correct that the phone cams are way more unobtrusive than a regular camera. be it camera be it a P&S or DSLR etc, sometimes you  want  to stay incognito.

I am happy with him because he pretty much tells it like he sees it. Remember everyone has a bit of different way of doing things, and I would advocate do what you think is right for you. Of course if you don't like it don't do it. I always try it, just to see what happens.

We are all have a bit of paranoia

I disagree.  Megapixels are important as it adds extra resolution to your image, and even if the picture or monitor cannot display the extra resolution, more megapixels can still be very useful if your composition is off or you want to change your composition.

For example, I take a picture of a living room with a pistol on the floor.  What if I wanted to take this image and crop it down from a picture of an entire living room to a picture of just the pistol on the floor?  With a lower megapixel camera, your picture is your picture.  If you cropped the image down and "blew it up" (or whatever term you want to use) then your image will look like crap.  That's exactly what happened with the OP's picture at the top.  However, with a really high megapixel camera you could crop the picture down and "blow it up" and still have a sharp picture.  Basically, you can recompose your shot after the fact if you have enough megapixels to still fill the screen or printed picture area.

The only time I would agree with you is if you compose your shot how you want it first and take the picture.  Then megapixels aren't really that important.

I'm sorry but you are incorrect there in red.  At least with Nikon, you adjust your settings in your camera to how you like and can shoot all RAW/NEF.  You load the raw sensor data into Nikon Capture NX-D and the metadata tells the program what settings you had in your camera and applies them to each photo accordingly.  If you don't need to make any further edits then you just tell capture NX-D to go ahead and make JPEGs for every picture you took.  It doesn't take any longer at all (literally a PC can process hundreds of pictures in a minute or two depending on your hardware), and it leaves the door open to bring back a bad shot in post processing using the raw sensor data.

So with a Nikon camera shooting in RAW/NEF, you take the picture and the sensor captures data for each pixel.  The built in software (basically capture NX-D program for the camera) then takes the settings you wanted (color saturation, contrast, etc) and shows the JPEG preview on the screen.  It then stores the raw sensor data file with metadata attached that has all of your settings for that single picture.  If the camera were in JPEG mode, then it would remove the sensor data and convert your picture to a JPEG.  In raw mode, it just stops after saving the raw data.  Once you transfer all the raw data files to the computer, capture NX-D simply picks up where the camera left off at saving the sensor data, and works just like the camera if you want to immediately save your pictures as JPEGs.  If you have a shot with bad exposure you can fix it a hell of a lot better with the raw sensor data as compared to a compressed JPEG which will naturally get rid of the extra data that isn't needed.  For example, a severely under-exposed picture will many shades of black that a JPEG will not pick up.  With the raw data you can increase the exposure (so to speak) after the fact and bring the colors out that you would have missed.

My point is you don't "have" to manually edit each picture, even if you shoot in raw.  It's just extra data you can keep stored to help repair a bad picture if needed.  And P is program mode which basically tells the camera you are shooting from an unsupported standing position and adjusts accordingly, not "professional mode" just like you said.  A lot of the things he says are misleading.