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Posted: 10/27/2004 4:02:01 PM EDT
I drive a 1973 Camaro Z28, From what I can tell this car could probably take alot of lead. The glass on this car is pretty thick and a single door weighs 115lbs. Steel doors with alot of junk inside them.

I remember I shot a camaro door before, 9mm FMJ (115??) white box penetrated about a 1/3rd of the time the ones that got thru pretty much stopped in the dirt. .45 +P 200gr hard cast wadcutters trucked right thru just about every time unless they hit something solid.

I believe I could take 6 rounds of .25 from my local gangbanger
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 4:03:51 PM EDT
2000 Dodge Neon. Bullet fodder.
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 4:04:08 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 4:08:08 PM EDT
i ride a solid metal 3/4" thick skateboard.
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 4:10:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
no car door is worth a shit against rifle fire. Many are not worth a shit against pistol fire.


Agreed... Your ass is up a creek if you start drawing rifle fire in anything less than an armor reinforced car. "Thick glass" won't suffice in the place of "Thick Metal"... 6 shots from your local gang banger probably won't kill you because your local gang banger aims with his "Home Boy Sights", the gun tilted on its side... not because your amazing Camaro will stop the lead coming downrange. I have a '69 SS Camaro and I damn sure wouldn't want to try and defeat 6 rounds broad side from someone.
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 4:11:19 PM EDT
sHIT I thought this was about how reliable you wheels are?
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 4:17:01 PM EDT
F150....not very.
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 4:21:03 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 4:28:22 PM EDT
I've got a 75 Buick junker on my place I use for target practice occasionally , not very effective as far as bullet stoppage lol , I read a post once from a contractor who had been over in Iraq stating that as far as vehicles for cover goes... don't try n hide behind a door , the vehicle either ...find some concrete
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 4:31:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/27/2004 4:40:34 PM EDT by blatherman]
When I was at Blackwater in September, we did a media demo (no not the news media) where we shot up a car from both inside and out with different calibers. The long and the short of it was that it really depends on where you hit the car, and in most cases, you can't predict the "thin" spots. Bottom line was that the randomness of the internal stiffeners, motors, etc made it impossible to say with any certainty where a thin spot was. You could shoot it with a .308 without complete penetration, and only 1 or two inches to the side was thin enough for a 9mm to go through both sides of the car...

We shot a SAPI insert

The cool part was I was the only dude with a .45, so I got to shoot at some targets through the front windshield to demonstrate how the glass deflects the bullets...

Then we blew up the car with Tannerite...(1/2 pound)


Link Posted: 10/27/2004 4:41:56 PM EDT
[20sGangster] Buy a ford, they're bulletproof. [/20sGangster]
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 4:42:56 PM EDT
We shot up a door from a Ford Ranger at a meet a couple years ago.

Pretty much EVERYTHING but .22lr penetrated. It was a wake up call... a car is CONCEALMENT... definitely not cover.
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 4:44:35 PM EDT
I think my driver would get mad if I shot him to find out. Unless he has the bulletproof vest when we go though East St. Louis then not very.
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 4:54:46 PM EDT
1994 Ford Ranger... bullet-proof?

Simply-put, it's not.
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 5:05:53 PM EDT
I bought a used Mercedes once.Needed a car for the wife and needed it quick. It looked good and ran

perfect. Then I looked closer and all the windows were bullet resistant and it had metal skid plates to protect

the oil pan and trans. Then I went to replace the back window motor. You guessed it, plating in the doors.

We drove it four years then I sold it for 3 1/2 times what I paid for it.
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 5:11:52 PM EDT
I think my Scout would do pretty well against pistol rounds, so long as they don't try to shoot me through the rust holes
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 5:16:28 PM EDT
In response to the comment about concrete stopping bullets, how accurate is that? I've just got into the actual analysis of shooting and such (I began shooting at age 10 and shot with my uncle for about 2.5 and am now getting back into it at age 16). Will concrete really stop that many diff. rounds or are you pretty much SOL in finding cover unless it's a safe?
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 8:49:42 PM EDT
At least me owning a crown vic means I can get bullet resistent liners for the doors as well as bullet resistent glass..... $$$ though.....

Link Posted: 10/27/2004 8:52:52 PM EDT
My windows are plastic. My roof is a tent.
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 8:54:18 PM EDT
Look at Bulletfest pictures, those cars take alot of shots but it shows that happens.

95 Impala isnt the most bullet-resistant car but is better then some.

The 78 TA I got could take more, but not sure how much. I know those doors can take punches.
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 8:56:00 PM EDT
Drive defensively...buy a tank!
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 8:56:39 PM EDT
Yall should watch Mythbusters. They had an old Caddilac that was swiss cheese by the time they were done.

All said and done, I will take an APC, thanks.
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 8:58:38 PM EDT
97 Mazda 626

Not a chance......
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 9:00:11 PM EDT
I wouldn't stand a prayers chance in hell in my 1997 Chev Pickup
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 9:08:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/27/2004 9:10:59 PM EDT by Cato556]

Originally Posted By 1911greg:

I believe I could take 6 rounds of .25 from my local gangbanger

I'm pretty confident that my door could stop a couple of .25 ACP rounds. Even if they did make it through the door, I would be amazed if they had enough velocity to cause any serious harm.

After .22 short, .25 ACP is the weakest commonly produced round in existence. I have heard stories of people taking multiple shots to the head at contact distance and having only minor injuries. I'd be more afraid of getting broken glass in my eyes than the bullets themselves.

Now a .357 mag, .40 S&W, or a large rifle round ... that would make me very uncomfortable. I think I'd just try to make myself a moving target in that case.
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 9:15:13 PM EDT
Reminds me, I saw a Carpice (nearly the same as my car) that had been shot a few months ago. The body/glass had stopped the bullets, but you could see where they had hit.

Not sure what was shot at it though
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