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Posted: 1/25/2009 8:17:30 PM EDT
I want to practice more, but it's getting expensive.



What's the current thought on getting a .22lr conversion kit for your carry gun, to practice with the same manual of arms?



Specifically, Advantage Arms on a g17?
Link Posted: 1/25/2009 8:19:14 PM EDT
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Got one.....absolute good investment. Well made and reliable.
Link Posted: 1/25/2009 8:21:05 PM EDT
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Advantage Arms makes a good kit. But be warned, it is very light; it will not feel the same as a your carry gun in that aspect. Other than that, it's a .22LR Glock. What's not to like?



Link Posted: 1/25/2009 8:24:08 PM EDT
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Advantage Arms makes a good kit. But be warned, it is very light; it will not feel the same as a your carry gun in that aspect. Other than that, it's a .22LR Glock. What's not to like?


That's kinda what I'm worried about.  Does the difference in feel/recoil/etc  negatively effect your shooting when you switch back to your real slide?

Link Posted: 1/25/2009 8:36:55 PM EDT
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Advantage Arms makes a good kit. But be warned, it is very light; it will not feel the same as a your carry gun in that aspect. Other than that, it's a .22LR Glock. What's not to like?




That's kinda what I'm worried about.  Does the difference in feel/recoil/etc  negatively effect your shooting when you switch back to your real slide?



It's all a little different, but I would not say it's a detriment. Heck shooting is shooting, and it has the same trigger as your carry gun.

Link Posted: 1/25/2009 8:43:50 PM EDT
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Advantage Arms makes a good kit. But be warned, it is very light; it will not feel the same as a your carry gun in that aspect. Other than that, it's a .22LR Glock. What's not to like?




That's kinda what I'm worried about.  Does the difference in feel/recoil/etc  negatively effect your shooting when you switch back to your real slide?



It's all a little different, but I would not say it's a detriment. Heck shooting is shooting, and it has the same trigger as your carry gun.



Get the AA. Last time I checked "weight" was not one of the fundamentals of marksmanship. Its close enough. You will like it.
Link Posted: 1/25/2009 8:47:36 PM EDT
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Advantage Arms makes a good kit. But be warned, it is very light; it will not feel the same as a your carry gun in that aspect. Other than that, it's a .22LR Glock. What's not to like?


That's kinda what I'm worried about.  Does the difference in feel/recoil/etc  negatively effect your shooting when you switch back to your real slide?







It's all a little different, but I would not say it's a detriment. Heck shooting is shooting, and it has the same trigger as your carry gun.



Sure, it's different.  However if it's used in the correct context, a 22 glock conversion coupled with an Spikes 22 upper, are great tool for practice and doing drilll at the range.  I use mine for practicing shooting on the mvoe, staggarded shooting positionings from 50yras up to 15 yards.  Requires lots of rounds down range and requires transitions from rifle to pistol.  I'll get some serious rips through the "course" using 22LR (save $$$) and then wrap up the day with 5.56 upper and 9mm loads.





 
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 7:52:20 AM EDT
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Advantage Arms makes a good kit. But be warned, it is very light; it will not feel the same as a your carry gun in that aspect. Other than that, it's a .22LR Glock. What's not to like?




That's kinda what I'm worried about.  Does the difference in feel/recoil/etc  negatively effect your shooting when you switch back to your real slide?



It's all a little different, but I would not say it's a detriment. Heck shooting is shooting, and it has the same trigger as your carry gun.



Get the AA. Last time I checked "weight" was not one of the fundamentals of marksmanship. Its close enough. You will like it.


Weight affects balance, muzzle rise, recoil, target transition, and presentation. Some of us do more than just shoot one shot per second, stationary target, stationary shooter.

And I never told him not to get the kit, I just made him aware that it does not feel identical to his regular Glock. The kit has its place. I use one.





Link Posted: 1/26/2009 7:53:53 AM EDT
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Advantage Arms makes a good kit. But be warned, it is very light; it will not feel the same as a your carry gun in that aspect. Other than that, it's a .22LR Glock. What's not to like?




That's kinda what I'm worried about.  Does the difference in feel/recoil/etc  negatively effect your shooting when you switch back to your real slide?



It's all a little different, but I would not say it's a detriment. Heck shooting is shooting, and it has the same trigger as your carry gun.



Get the AA. Last time I checked "weight" was not one of the fundamentals of marksmanship. Its close enough. You will like it.


Weight affects balance, muzzle rise, recoil, target transition, and presentation. Some of us do more than just shoot one shot per second, stationary target, stationary shooter.

And I never told him not to get the kit, I just made him aware that it does not feel identical to his regular Glock. The kit has its place. I use one.







Link Posted: 1/26/2009 7:55:26 AM EDT
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I have the AA for my G17 and it's da bomb.  Finally made the G17 worth owning.  I threw the factory slide and barrel in the trash.
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 7:56:56 AM EDT
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Advantage Arms makes a good kit. But be warned, it is very light; it will not feel the same as a your carry gun in that aspect. Other than that, it's a .22LR Glock. What's not to like?




That's kinda what I'm worried about.  Does the difference in feel/recoil/etc  negatively effect your shooting when you switch back to your real slide?



It's all a little different, but I would not say it's a detriment. Heck shooting is shooting, and it has the same trigger as your carry gun.

Sure, it's different.  However if it's used in the correct context, a 22 glock conversion coupled with an Spikes 22 upper, are great tool for practice and doing drilll at the range.  I use mine for practicing shooting on the mvoe, staggarded shooting positionings from 50yras up to 15 yards.  Requires lots of rounds down range and requires transitions from rifle to pistol.  I'll get some serious rips through the "course" using 22LR (save $$$) and then wrap up the day with 5.56 upper and 9mm loads.

 


That is where the kit shines, and that is how I use my .22LR conversion kits. I'll set up a stage/scenario and then take it piece by piece and practice the movement with the .22LR kit. Then I'll switch back to centerfire and shoot it full speed, scoring accuracy into time. I'll run it several times before moving the stage around and then start over again.
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 7:58:33 AM EDT
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Advantage Arms makes a good kit. But be warned, it is very light; it will not feel the same as a your carry gun in that aspect. Other than that, it's a .22LR Glock. What's not to like?




That's kinda what I'm worried about.  Does the difference in feel/recoil/etc  negatively effect your shooting when you switch back to your real slide?



It's all a little different, but I would not say it's a detriment. Heck shooting is shooting, and it has the same trigger as your carry gun.



Get the AA. Last time I checked "weight" was not one of the fundamentals of marksmanship. Its close enough. You will like it.


Weight affects balance, muzzle rise, recoil, target transition, and presentation. Some of us do more than just shoot one shot per second, stationary target, stationary shooter.

And I never told him not to get the kit, I just made him aware that it does not feel identical to his regular Glock. The kit has its place. I use one.









It is a factor with the kit. The weapon will not travel the same from target to target or out of the holster as with its centerfire counterpart. Overtravel of targets can become an issue.
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 7:59:00 AM EDT
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I have the AA for my G17 and it's da bomb.  Finally made the G17 worth owning. I threw the factory slide and barrel in the trash.


Dig it out and I'll pay shipping.



Link Posted: 1/26/2009 8:07:08 AM EDT
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Advantage Arms makes a good kit. But be warned, it is very light; it will not feel the same as a your carry gun in that aspect. Other than that, it's a .22LR Glock. What's not to like?




That's kinda what I'm worried about.  Does the difference in feel/recoil/etc  negatively effect your shooting when you switch back to your real slide?



It's all a little different, but I would not say it's a detriment. Heck shooting is shooting, and it has the same trigger as your carry gun.



Get the AA. Last time I checked "weight" was not one of the fundamentals of marksmanship. Its close enough. You will like it.


Weight affects balance, muzzle rise, recoil, target transition, and presentation. Some of us do more than just shoot one shot per second, stationary target, stationary shooter.

And I never told him not to get the kit, I just made him aware that it does not feel identical to his regular Glock. The kit has its place. I use one.









Chill out. I was simply stating that the weight of the gun does not affect the manipulation of the gun.  I have AA kits for my Glock and 1911. I also have a Ciener for my AR. People get too caught up with "is it just like my real gun".  No its not, but the fundamentals don't change, and 90% practice with a 1000 rounds of .22 is better than 100% practice with 50 rounds of "real" bullets. Hell, MOST shooters would do good to practice more with NO shooting. ie. draw, stance, grip, reloads, malfunctions....what part of my post gave you any indication that a kit is only good for standing still and shooting one round a second?
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 8:07:22 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 1/26/2009 8:14:45 AM EDT
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Advantage Arms makes a good kit. But be warned, it is very light; it will not feel the same as a your carry gun in that aspect. Other than that, it's a .22LR Glock. What's not to like?




That's kinda what I'm worried about.  Does the difference in feel/recoil/etc  negatively effect your shooting when you switch back to your real slide?



It's all a little different, but I would not say it's a detriment. Heck shooting is shooting, and it has the same trigger as your carry gun.



Get the AA. Last time I checked "weight" was not one of the fundamentals of marksmanship. Its close enough. You will like it.


Weight affects balance, muzzle rise, recoil, target transition, and presentation. Some of us do more than just shoot one shot per second, stationary target, stationary shooter.

And I never told him not to get the kit, I just made him aware that it does not feel identical to his regular Glock. The kit has its place. I use one.









Chill out. I was simply stating that the weight of the gun does not affect the manipulation of the gun.  I have AA kits for my Glock and 1911. I also have a Ciener for my AR. People get too caught up with "is it just like my real gun".  No its not, but the fundamentals don't change, and 90% practice with a 1000 rounds of .22 is better than 100% practice with 50 rounds of "real" bullets. Hell, MOST shooters would do good to practice more with NO shooting. ie. draw, stance, grip, reloads, malfunctions....what part of my post gave you any indication that a kit is only good for standing still and shooting one round a second?


It sounded to me as if you were disregarding the weight difference as inconsequential because it doesn't affect the fundamentals. Sorry if I took that wrong, but it sounded like something I hear the guys who think anything other than bullseye practice is "hosing" and a waste of ammo.

I agree 100%, any practice is better than no practice, and a 1,000 rounds of .22LR is better than 50 rounds of 9mm. There needs to be a balance. I personally put that balance at about 25% of what I fire with centerfire; but then again, I shoot a shitload of centerfire and I reload. Generally about 500-600 rounds of 9mm a week supplemented by ~150 rounds of .22LR.

I'd shoot more AA .22LR if the magazines weren't so hard to load, even when you load them vertically.  

Link Posted: 1/26/2009 8:23:35 AM EDT
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Advantage Arms makes a good kit. But be warned, it is very light; it will not feel the same as a your carry gun in that aspect. Other than that, it's a .22LR Glock. What's not to like?




That's kinda what I'm worried about.  Does the difference in feel/recoil/etc  negatively effect your shooting when you switch back to your real slide?



It's all a little different, but I would not say it's a detriment. Heck shooting is shooting, and it has the same trigger as your carry gun.



Get the AA. Last time I checked "weight" was not one of the fundamentals of marksmanship. Its close enough. You will like it.


Weight affects balance, muzzle rise, recoil, target transition, and presentation. Some of us do more than just shoot one shot per second, stationary target, stationary shooter.

And I never told him not to get the kit, I just made him aware that it does not feel identical to his regular Glock. The kit has its place. I use one.









Chill out. I was simply stating that the weight of the gun does not affect the manipulation of the gun.  I have AA kits for my Glock and 1911. I also have a Ciener for my AR. People get too caught up with "is it just like my real gun".  No its not, but the fundamentals don't change, and 90% practice with a 1000 rounds of .22 is better than 100% practice with 50 rounds of "real" bullets. Hell, MOST shooters would do good to practice more with NO shooting. ie. draw, stance, grip, reloads, malfunctions....what part of my post gave you any indication that a kit is only good for standing still and shooting one round a second?


It sounded to me as if you were disregarding the weight difference as inconsequential because it doesn't affect the fundamentals. Sorry if I took that wrong, but it sounded like something I hear the guys who think anything other than bullseye practice is "hosing" and a waste of ammo.

I agree 100%, any practice is better than no practice, and a 1,000 rounds of .22LR is better than 50 rounds of 9mm. There needs to be a balance. I personally put that balance at about 25% of what I fire with centerfire; but then again, I shoot a shitload of centerfire and I reload. Generally about 500-600 rounds of 9mm a week supplemented by ~150 rounds of .22LR.

I'd shoot more AA .22LR if the magazines weren't so hard to load, even when you load them vertically.  




In the interest of full disclosure. I shoot PPC. (slow and steady)
BUT, I am also a police officer, "tactical" team type, and a concealed carry instructor. My point was simply that you gan get a lot of good practice with a kit. I think of it as dry fire that marks the target. I think we agree, sometimes its hard to convey tone with the keyboard. Shoot Safe.


EDIT: You have to use the loading tool. It makes mags easier to load.
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 8:24:32 AM EDT
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Would one of these kits fit a G19
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 8:25:43 AM EDT
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Would one of these kits fit a G19


Yes, they make kits for nearly every Glock model out there.

Link Posted: 1/26/2009 8:26:20 AM EDT
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Would one of these kits fit a G19


From AA's site and a few others, G19 kits are back-ordered.


Darn ARFCOMmers telling everybody to buy a G19....
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 8:27:42 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 1/26/2009 8:29:13 AM EDT
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I've got one for my G19.  I love it.  I only see one problem.  It caused me to get another lower & make it a complete dedicated 22 caliber G19.    It lets me get a lot of practice w/ my glocks for an affordable price.   I did notice my kit would only run w/ MiniMags at first.   It wasn't 100% reliable w/ them.  After 500 or 100 rounds it ran close to 100% w/ them, and it is close to that w/ the bulk ammo.  I wouldn't expect one to be completely reliable out of the box.
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