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Posted: 6/5/2003 10:26:13 AM EDT
When did the flag become a GOD istead of the symbol of a nation that was based on individual rights and minimal interference? [url=www.aclu.org/FreeSpeech/FreeSpeech.cfm?ID=12805&c=50]Chiping away at your rights.[/url] Another American hero, Senator John Glenn, warned that those "who died following that banner, did not give up their lives for a red, white and blue piece of cloth. It would be a hollow victory indeed if we preserved the symbol of our freedoms by chipping away at those fundamental freedoms themselves." Flame Away
Link Posted: 6/5/2003 10:39:09 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/5/2003 10:39:52 AM EDT by Old_Painless]
Senator Glenn deserves respect for his military accomplishments. Therefore, I will not point out that he is an idiot on this and most issues. His so-called "Campaign Finance Reform Bill" did more damage to the first amendment than this bill ever will. The first amendment is about "speech" not actions. You can freely "say" anything about this country that you please. You have no "right" to desecrate the emblem of our country that so many good men have died for.
Link Posted: 6/5/2003 10:45:57 AM EDT
Originally Posted By blackfoot: When did the flag become a GOD istead of the symbol of a nation that was based on individual rights and minimal interference? [url=www.aclu.org/FreeSpeech/FreeSpeech.cfm?ID=12805&c=50]Chiping away at your rights.[/url] Another American hero, Senator John Glenn, warned that those "who died following that banner, did not give up their lives for a red, white and blue piece of cloth. It would be a hollow victory indeed if we preserved the symbol of our freedoms by chipping away at those fundamental freedoms themselves." Flame Away
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When the ACLU stands up for the second ammendment I MIGHT listen. From where I stand they are simply a bunch of tree hugging, birkenstock wearing faggots.
Link Posted: 6/5/2003 11:40:46 AM EDT
The ACLU can kiss my ass. They've never stood up for anything decent that deserved the effort.
Link Posted: 6/5/2003 11:49:39 AM EDT
How does burning a piece of cloth interfere with the rights of another citizen? I think it is wrong and stupid, much like cross burning (on your property or with permit )but it does not deny life, liberty, etc. etc. It bothers me for someone to burn the flag, but a Constitutional amend. to ban burning of it is pure emotional bullshit. Before you flame, I understand what the flag stands for and how many have died for our Country and way of life (not a symbol).
Link Posted: 6/5/2003 11:56:49 AM EDT
Originally Posted By BlackAdder: How does burning a piece of cloth interfere with the rights of another citizen? I think it is wrong and stupid, much like cross burning (on your property or with permit )but it does not deny life, liberty, etc. etc. It bothers me for someone to burn the flag, but a Constitutional amend. to ban burning of it is pure emotional bullshit. Before you flame, I understand what the flag stands for and how many have died for our Country and way of life (not a symbol).
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I agree! Allowing citizens to burn the flag without legal implication is a far cry from actually supporting and sanctioning their actions. Sadly, we live in a culture that equates lack of legal censure with approval.
Link Posted: 6/5/2003 12:17:54 PM EDT
We need sensible legislation on freedom of speech. Just like we sensible legislation on gun ownership.
Link Posted: 6/5/2003 1:00:57 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Old_Painless: Senator Glenn deserves respect for his military accomplishments. Therefore, I will not point out that he is an idiot on this and most issues. His so-called "Campaign Finance Reform Bill" did more damage to the first amendment than this bill ever will. The first amendment is about "speech" not actions. You can freely "say" anything about this country that you please. You have no "right" to desecrate the emblem of our country that so many good men have died for.
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I and the SCOTUS would have to disagree with you. The SCOTUS that flag burning is protected by the First Amendment. This is completely in violation of the First Amendment. I don't give a damn about the ACLU, and I hate the people who would burn the flag. BUT, that's their right to do so. What right does the government have to stop them from doing this? Absolutely none.
Link Posted: 6/5/2003 3:09:55 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Sniper_Wolfe:
Originally Posted By Old_Painless: Senator Glenn deserves respect for his military accomplishments. Therefore, I will not point out that he is an idiot on this and most issues. His so-called "Campaign Finance Reform Bill" did more damage to the first amendment than this bill ever will. The first amendment is about "speech" not actions. You can freely "say" anything about this country that you please. You have no "right" to desecrate the emblem of our country that so many good men have died for.
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I and the SCOTUS would have to disagree with you. The SCOTUS that flag burning is protected by the First Amendment. This is completely in violation of the First Amendment. I don't give a damn about the ACLU, and I hate the people who would burn the flag. BUT, that's their right to do so. What right does the government have to stop them from doing this? Absolutely none.
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You are sure right, Sniper_Wolfe. You and the SCOTUS are in agreement and I disagree. I hope you're proud of the company you keep on that one. Personally, I think the Nine Vestigial Virgins of the Patomac are full of bull on this and most other issues.
Link Posted: 6/5/2003 3:33:01 PM EDT
As much as I detest anyone who whoud defile the American flag, altering the first amendment will open the door to a place I don't think any of us want to go. What will you say when they try to alter the Seaond Amendment? The Fourth?
Link Posted: 6/5/2003 3:39:07 PM EDT
Let me see if I get this straight. Disposal of the flag by inceneration is encouraged by US Code. "The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning." But burning the flag for another reason is not a political statement? I guess that typing on a keyboard isn't speech either, is it? Nor flipping someone the bird? How convenient that you guys hang on the word "speech" like the anti-gunners hang on the word "militia." If it's not a political statement, then why does it bother you so?
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