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Posted: 11/30/2016 9:53:34 AM EDT
I'm wanting to dump gmail for various reasons but mostly related to security and privacy.  I'm unsure of what to start to use but was considering a paid business account with Office 365.  

Are there any privacy concerns with any of the paid services?  What are my best options?

Link Posted: 11/30/2016 11:19:46 AM EDT
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The only real difference between Google Mail and O365 mail is that O365 isn't (or shouldn't be) mining your email for keywords for advertising.

I use Google Mail as my MX for my personal domains and Office 365 at work. We run a split environment at work with O365 and Google Mail.

You can always go Hillary Clinton and run your own email server. Just light up a VPS at Digital Ocean or Linode, or go AWS. Note that AWS has their own email service called SES. Your main problem with running your own mail server will be getting past any mail server reputation issues you might encounter when your mail server starts sending to other mail routers. I have found Microsoft and the various home provider telecoms (e.g. SBC Global) mail servers to be pretty strict when it comes to mail server reputation.
Link Posted: 12/1/2016 8:52:37 AM EDT
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I wouldn't think ms would be any more secure than google. More private, perhaps, but email isn't in general a private thing.

I use gmail and google apps almost exclusively so wouldn't want to steer you to or away from any specific other providers.
Link Posted: 12/1/2016 11:34:52 PM EDT
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I've started using ProtonMail recently. So far, I'm pretty pleased.
Link Posted: 12/2/2016 12:06:05 AM EDT
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The only real difference between Google Mail and O365 mail is that O365 isn't (or shouldn't be) mining your email for keywords for advertising.

I use Google Mail as my MX for my personal domains and Office 365 at work. We run a split environment at work with O365 and Google Mail.

You can always go Hillary Clinton and run your own email server. Just light up a VPS at Digital Ocean or Linode, or go AWS. Note that AWS has their own email service called SES. Your main problem with running your own mail server will be getting past any mail server reputation issues you might encounter when your mail server starts sending to other mail routers. I have found Microsoft and the various home provider telecoms (e.g. SBC Global) mail servers to be pretty strict when it comes to mail server reputation.
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You forgot about the gigantic pile of spam any mail server will get on an hourly basis. Tweaking a spam filter and fighting with RBLs all the time gets really fucking old.

Nobody but the biggest nerd should be attempting to do their own.
Link Posted: 12/2/2016 12:46:25 AM EDT
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Mail.ru. I'd rather have the russians reading my emails than Google or Microsoft.  

V
Link Posted: 12/2/2016 1:15:27 AM EDT
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I've started using ProtonMail recently. So far, I'm pretty pleased.
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This. ^^^
Link Posted: 12/2/2016 2:11:29 AM EDT
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Another vote for Protonmail.
Link Posted: 12/10/2016 12:12:50 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/10/2016 12:50:55 PM EDT
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If it's free, you and your life are the product.  

I've been happy with hushmail, but it's ~$40/year.  

No adds, no data mining, simple web mail, works with phone.
Link Posted: 12/10/2016 2:40:38 PM EDT
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Protonmail looks interesting.
Link Posted: 12/10/2016 2:51:30 PM EDT
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outlook.com

sets up as an exchange account in outlook
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This is what I was thinking of doing.
Link Posted: 12/10/2016 3:21:57 PM EDT
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You forgot about the gigantic pile of spam any mail server will get on an hourly basis. Tweaking a spam filter and fighting with RBLs all the time gets really fucking old.

Nobody but the biggest nerd should be attempting to do their own.
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hi.  

for a personal email server spam is so easily dealt with that i don't even have to deal with it.  
it is about a couple of a layers, always has been and always will be.

greylist at SMTP, and the spamassassin (incl RAZOR and PYZOR) at local delivery, done.

greylisting alone is an outstanding deterrent to 99% of spammers.

i get maybe four spam emails PER MONTH and no false positives.


syslog:Dec 10 01:17:01 ziva postfix/smtpd[30359]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from getacustomessay.com[108.179.199.163]: 450 4.2.0 <[email protected]>: Recipient address rejected: Greylisted, see http://postgrey.schweikert.ch/help/abcdef.org.html; from=<[email protected]> to=<[email protected]> proto=ESMTP helo=<get.getacustomessay.com>


ar-jedi
Link Posted: 12/12/2016 12:02:29 AM EDT
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There are many advantages to registering and owning a domain name but the main reason I took it on many years ago was to get away from having my email address tied to my ISP or some other unstable entity.  Once you own a domain name and hook it up with whatever hosting service you select the possibilities are endless and if you aren't happy with how the hosting service does things you can just move your domain to somewhere else.  It requires a bit of research but really the hardest part is thinking up a domain name that fits you and has not been taken.
Link Posted: 12/14/2016 3:13:24 PM EDT
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If it's free, you and your life are the product.  

I've been happy with hushmail, but it's ~$40/year.  

No adds, no data mining, simple web mail, works with phone.
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Hushmail has folded, if you want security for that cost you're pissing your money away.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 2:30:12 PM EDT
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I don't want to start a new thread since my Q is very similar:

I have FOUR yahoo email addresses:  

One strictly for comms with friends

One strictly for buying stuff online.

One strictly for signing up for BS coupons. (SPAM catcher)

One for HAM radio stuff.


I want to keep the segregation between accounts and their purposes.  I already killed the one that was my HAM [email protected]  I'll keep the coupon signup one, since I don't care if that one gets hacked.  I am a 100% android guy, so I already have a GMail account.  (But I don't use it for friends since my parents spam me with forwarded emails...)


WHAT CAN I SWITCH TO THAT ALLOWS ME TO CHECK MULTIPLE EMAIL ADDRESSES ON ONE APP?  Does anything previously mentioned in the way of mail services fit this bill?
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 3:39:28 PM EDT
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I don't want to start a new thread since my Q is very similar:

I have FOUR yahoo email addresses:  

One strictly for comms with friends

One strictly for buying stuff online.

One strictly for signing up for BS coupons. (SPAM catcher)

One for HAM radio stuff.


I want to keep the segregation between accounts and their purposes.  I already killed the one that was my HAM [email protected]  I'll keep the coupon signup one, since I don't care if that one gets hacked.  I am a 100% android guy, so I already have a GMail account.  (But I don't use it for friends since my parents spam me with forwarded emails...)


WHAT CAN I SWITCH TO THAT ALLOWS ME TO CHECK MULTIPLE EMAIL ADDRESSES ON ONE APP?  Does anything previously mentioned in the way of mail services fit this bill?
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You can add all your yahoo accounts into the gmail app, then tell the inbox to display them all at once.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 8:59:48 PM EDT
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You can add all your yahoo accounts into the gmail app, then tell the inbox to display them all at once.
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I want to ditch yahoo since they get hacked multiple times before they find out about one of them.  I plan on closing the yahoo accounts once I find another email service.
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 11:46:45 AM EDT
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I want to ditch yahoo since they get hacked multiple times before they find out about one of them.  I plan on closing the yahoo accounts once I find another email service.
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You can add all your yahoo accounts into the gmail app, then tell the inbox to display them all at once.



I want to ditch yahoo since they get hacked multiple times before they find out about one of them.  I plan on closing the yahoo accounts once I find another email service.


Same difference,  gmail app can access near anything, look in the settings for the "add account".
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 12:11:05 PM EDT
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WHAT CAN I SWITCH TO THAT ALLOWS ME TO CHECK MULTIPLE EMAIL ADDRESSES ON ONE APP?  Does anything previously mentioned in the way of mail services fit this bill?
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As an email guy by profession for far too many years, what you seek are aliases. Some providers call them different names, but the principle is the same. Multiple addresses that get delivered to the same mailbox. From there you can use filters to sort them into different folders if you wish. But they will all be accessible from a single account/app. Any provider worth a damn should be able to provide what you seek. 

Since I have only done email for my employer, I can only comment on the privacy on that system. But we never mined/scanned for anything besides spam/AUP violations.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 7:04:52 AM EDT
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"safemail.net"

I believe it's Israeli. Small storage is free but limited. They have larger plans for purchase.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 7:41:15 AM EDT
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tagged for more info.  I like what I am reading about ProtonMail.
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