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Posted: 9/13/2005 9:45:54 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/13/2005 9:46:27 PM EDT
IBTP



Link Posted: 9/13/2005 9:46:30 PM EDT
IBTP

how's that?
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 9:47:14 PM EDT
Their shitty rifles bother me....
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 9:47:28 PM EDT
damn you're fast
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 9:47:40 PM EDT
nope
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 9:51:58 PM EDT
Actually, it bothers me a lot less than ArmaLite's misleading bullshit name. Just on principle, I guess. Not sure what principle, but I digress.
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 9:54:04 PM EDT
R-32
+1 Brother!

myit
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 9:54:52 PM EDT
nope
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 9:56:21 PM EDT
this is not where your NIB firearm came from.



the cannons in their logo only makes it worse IMHO
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 9:56:53 PM EDT
I am missing something here... why would it be misleading?
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 9:57:23 PM EDT
What is so misleading about the name?
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 9:58:22 PM EDT
It pisses me off a little, but they weren't the first or the worst to take advantage of a name like that.

I do wish they'd quit fucking up genuine Garands and calling them improved.
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 9:58:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/13/2005 10:01:43 PM EDT by Mall-Ninja]
SA, Inc. is not the original US Armory, but a seperate company that merely bought the rights to use the name.



ETA: I could care less about the "misleading" name, since Colt and Kimber, despite being "original companies," let just as much crap out the door as SA Inc.
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 9:58:57 PM EDT
I don't give a rat's ass.

I have bigger things in life that gnaw on me.
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 9:59:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DrFrige:
I am missing something here... why would it be misleading?




Your Springfield Armory M1 is the real deal, the new Springfield Inc stuff is riding on the name that your Garand and other rifles made famous
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 10:00:30 PM EDT
Misleading because they are not the SpringField of olden days, manufacturing muskets and 1911s for the US armed forces but are instead just a firearms company that was created after the original company ceased to be and took on a name that has a reputation the new company has not earned?


Nope not really, their firearms are not anywhere near the quality of USGI made Springfield firearms, but it is common knowledge, at least I thought them takng the name was common, hell I am a Canuck and I know
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 10:01:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Mall-Ninja:
SA, Inc. is not the original US Armory, but a seperate company that merely bought the rights to use the name.



Ah!!! well if the new Springfield isnt as good as the original and my NEW 1911 MilSpec is GREAT then, I should expect nothing less from my Garand... cool!
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 10:05:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By dpmmn:

Originally Posted By DrFrige:
I am missing something here... why would it be misleading?




Your Springfield Armory M1 is the real deal, the new Springfield Inc stuff is riding on the name that your Garand and other rifles made famous




So they're a company now, instead of a federal armory. Does anyone believe they're buying a new 1911 from a federal armory? I don't, therefore the name isn't misleading.

I think it's only misleading to dumbasses....so isn't this a non-issue?

It's worth noting that my 1943 SA M1 Garand, while a wonderful weapon, does not come with a lifetime warranty.

Link Posted: 9/13/2005 10:06:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By swingset:

Originally Posted By dpmmn:

Originally Posted By DrFrige:
I am missing something here... why would it be misleading?




Your Springfield Armory M1 is the real deal, the new Springfield Inc stuff is riding on the name that your Garand and other rifles made famous




So they're a company now, instead of a federal armory. Does anyone believe they're buying a new 1911 from a federal armory? I don't, therefore the name isn't misleading.

I think it's only misleading to dumbasses....so isn't this a non-issue?

It's worth noting that my 1943 SA M1 Garand, while a wonderful weapon, does not come with a lifetime warranty.




Didnt need too.
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 10:20:36 PM EDT
Well look at Colt. I don't think I need to type anything else.
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 10:28:54 PM EDT
You'd be really surprised how many people I run into that don't know that Springfield Inc. is not the Springfield of old.

As far as their products are concerned I've got one of their milspec 1911's and a 9mm XD. Not one problem out of either one, except the shitty finish on my XD.
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 10:32:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Jerret:
Well look at Colt. I don't think I need to type anything else.



Huh? Colt is still Colt. Always was.
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 10:37:03 PM EDT
People that confuse the name with company of yore shouldn't be buying guns in the first place. Many brand firearms companies today are not the same company, say 20 years ago. I believe Colt has been in bankruptcy several times, the name Kimber was originally based in Oregon made rifles instead of 1911s, and it went bankrupt and was bought by another concern. Dan Wesson & Itahca Shootgun was in bankruptcy at one time, and the name was bought from the bankruptcy court and restarted.
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 10:44:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By warlord:
People that confuse the name with company of yore shouldn't be buying guns in the first place. Many brand firearms companies today are not the same company, say 20 years ago. I believe Colt has been in bankruptcy several times, the name Kimber was originally based in Oregon made rifles instead of 1911s, and it went bankrupt and was bought by another concern. Dan Wesson & Itahca Shootgun was in bankruptcy at one time, and the name was bought from the bankruptcy court and restarted.



Yes, you should be federally mandated to know the history of the company and the firearm design you are buying before you are allowed to possess something so dangerous.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 3:48:34 AM EDT
It is a name.

Firestone is what bothers me.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 3:58:18 AM EDT
It only bothered me when I owned a Springfield that didn't run worth crap.

It ceased to bother me when I got rid of the darn thing.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 8:46:26 AM EDT
I never thought of it as misleading.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 10:26:05 AM EDT
Stupid threads like this bother me
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 11:35:31 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SP10:
Stupid threads like this bother me



at least it's firearm related. i'm not asking who can take a full power shot from springfield armory or the like.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 11:39:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/14/2005 11:45:15 AM EDT by Wobblin-Goblin]

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:

Originally Posted By Jerret:
Well look at Colt. I don't think I need to type anything else.


Huh? Colt is still Colt. Always was.


Wrong.

It's not the same company. Not at all. Even the name is different: Colt's Manufacturing.

ETA: There is no firearms company named "Colt" anymore. It ceased to exist years ago. If you own a "Colt" firearm from, say, 1890, and an AR15 from 2005, they are from entirely different companies.

The company that makes "Colt" firearms today is named "Colt's Manufacturing" and is only operating under license from the "Colt" of yesterday.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 11:44:50 AM EDT
It bothers me only to the extent that I think it falls under the general ctegory of "false advertising"

The didn't pick the name at random, but did it deliberately to fool people into thinking they ARE the original company.

Armalite's advertising, in particular, has often clearly been trying to do this.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 11:47:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/14/2005 11:47:52 AM EDT by arowneragain]

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
It bothers me only to the extent that I think it falls under the general ctegory of "false advertising"

The didn't pick the name at random, but did it deliberately to fool people into thinking they ARE the original company.

Armalite's advertising, in particular, has often clearly been trying to do this.




I agree, however....

I've got 2 SA 1911's and 1 Armalite lower, and so far, I'm tickled pink by them.

They could say 'poo-bear's guns, tackle, and fuzzy valentine's day gifts' on the side for all I care.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 11:52:53 AM EDT
Eagle/Armalite is much worse...because they make it sound as if they are the same company all the time as the old Armalite...

Kind of like the recent Indian Motorcycles saying they were the old Indian...
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 11:54:03 AM EDT
No more than Armalite does.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 7:32:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
It bothers me only to the extent that I think it falls under the general ctegory of "false advertising"

The didn't pick the name at random, but did it deliberately to fool people into thinking they ARE the original company.

Armalite's advertising, in particular, has often clearly been trying to do this.



well said. i have no problem with the company but i think the advertising is a bit ambigious.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 7:33:55 PM EDT
Lumpy i'm glad you're back
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 7:36:31 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 7:42:37 PM EDT
Springfield has an unearned reputation for the most part... It was a government owned facility, hence it did development and was continually operational for decades (didn't have short lived contracts). I can't think of one weapon produced by Springfield that they did better than contractors did when called upon to do so. Remington, Winchester, Colt, H&R you name it...

If you really want to get under the skin of a Springfield lover, remind them that the '03 is a Mauser.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 7:44:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/14/2005 7:45:35 PM EDT by Gloftoe]
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 7:51:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Gloftoe:

Originally Posted By shotar:
They could just call it Imbel and quit trying to convince people that they are actually an American gun maker????


What, because the frame forgings are made by Imbel? It's not assembled in Brazil. Hell, the frames are probably even finished-fitted here.



IMBEL makes the forgings, which usually are sent to the states for machining. If the machining is done in Brazil, the frame is stamped "F I Brazil" under where the grip panels go, since the receiver is the gun.

They're all still assembled here in the states, no matter where the frame was finished.

Oh, and the M1As are all built here in the States.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 7:53:45 PM EDT
Nope not at all
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