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Posted: 2/15/2017 6:06:46 AM EDT
I've always had this belief that the cold war never really ended.
it just feels like it's been put on hold while Russia gets their shit ready for the next gen.
I was born in 87, so I didn't really experience it, but in my lifetime there has always been this remaining deep underlying distrust towards Russia.  I really don't think Putin's feelings ever changed towards us.

it just feels like he's trying to get trump to let his guard down buy making him think we're all ok now.

I have the same feelings towards Putin as a used car salesman...
Link Posted: 2/15/2017 6:31:56 AM EDT
[#1]
The "Cold War" merely moved to our own doorstep.  We're getting ready to start shooting each other in the face.

I enlisted the year before you were born (as an old man of 21) and trained to shoot commies in the face. (Or be cannon fodder over at the Fulda Gap)

In 89-90, we went to Central America to buy out left-leaning gub-mints in an attempt to keep 'em on our side.

Putin is a mobster. He's a billionaire a hundred times over. I don't think he's steeped in Marx and Lenin, He's about keeping the $ flowing to the crew that protects him and any opportunity he gets to stick one up the U.S.'s ass is a bonus.

There's NO "political ideology" at work here. There is ONLY the desire to CONTROL. It doesn't matter what you call it, it comes down to greed, and the willingness to use force to satisfy it.
Link Posted: 2/15/2017 7:08:27 AM EDT
[#2]
The Cold War ended in 1989.

Tension is as tension is, but it is not. "Cold War."

Neither side is arming and equipping with the objective of destroying the other should war break out, a reality that defined the Cold War.

There's just no comparison.
Link Posted: 2/15/2017 8:00:28 AM EDT
[#3]
It never began.
Link Posted: 2/15/2017 8:14:40 AM EDT
[#4]
The Cold War is within our borders.  Or cold civil war rather. Look at the left trying to destroy the Trump administration. Patriotism is considered a bad thing nowadays. Imagine that.

Look at the idiots coming out of our schools: home grown commies - or useful idiots anyway.
Link Posted: 2/15/2017 8:15:45 AM EDT
[#5]
It seems so since Eurofags have butchered their military. It's all world peace and sunshine now



















I hope they all get put into gulags.
Link Posted: 2/15/2017 8:22:31 AM EDT
[#6]
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I've always had this belief that the cold war never really ended.
it just feels like it's been put on hold while Russia gets their shit ready for the next gen.
I was born in 87, so I didn't really experience it, but in my lifetime there has always been this remaining deep underlying distrust towards Russia.  I really don't think Putin's feelings ever changed towards us.

it just feels like he's trying to get trump to let his guard down buy making him think we're all ok now.

I have the same feelings towards Putin as a used car salesman...
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Most used car salesmen wouldn't make you disappear for a short joke.

Yeah, fuck the Russians. The real question I have is how will Trump handle the situation with them having developed weapons that violate a treaty coming to light. We must respond, but the question is how.
Link Posted: 2/15/2017 8:45:33 AM EDT
[#7]
Yes.  It ended and we won.

there is no comparison to what is happening now and the cold war.

Russia, like every other country, wants to advance its interests.  Their objectives do NOT directly undermine American interests except in so much as it affects our "allies"

No one in this exchange is acting irrationally except us.  I don't blame the Ukrainians and Baltics for wanting US Forces there to protect them.  If I was in their shoes, I would want the same things.

Russia wants territory returned that it lost, some with real justification, some not so much.  The idea that borders are brought down from god and are inviolate is yet another fiction of the 20th century.

people move, territory is lost and missed.  sometimes you get it back.

anyone bitching about what russia is doing should be demanding the albanians give kosovo back to serbia.  But I doubt i'll see that anytime soon.

ultimately borders exist because those with power and the will to use it enforce them.
Link Posted: 2/15/2017 8:57:10 AM EDT
[#8]
The only thing that has changed is that the Russians changed clothes from military uniforms to Armani suits and took over state owned industries for next to nothing, so basically it's the same.  Countries that are "ideology" driven are never run by true believers but use people who are to accomplish their goals.  A prime example is the middle eastern dictatorships, do you think that Assad or sadam were real practicing muzzies?  No but they used the faith of their people to maintain their wealth and power.  Russia is absolutely no different, always follow the money and who bennifits most from it.  To answer the original question is if the Cold War ever ended, it didn't but just took a 20 or 30 year hiatus so that the Russians and their cohorts could file bankruptcy and reorganize.  Our country as well as much of the western nations (minus former soviet block states I.e Poland, Lithuania and various other countries) fell asleep thinking that all was good and we could fall asleep, we kept spending on the war machine by buying systems that were overpriced and Nader perform at the same time the Western European started shifting resources from defense spending to social programs all while knowing the USA would protect them under our nuclear umbrella.  At the end of the day we fell asleep while the other side laid low in the weeds for the time where we are weakest.  The next few years will tell us who will come out the on top, and hopefully that we now have a man in office who owes no one anything that the ship can be righted enough to have people in the future come in who can keep righting that ship.
Link Posted: 2/15/2017 9:00:49 AM EDT
[#9]
A friend of my grandfather once told me the cold was wasn't over. it was just put on pause.
Link Posted: 2/15/2017 9:05:56 AM EDT
[#10]
Yes, the socialist, communists, Marxists, and what ever flavor of 'ists they encouraged are still here undermining us. They may not have backing from the soviets, but their goals of spoon feeding us socialism still haven't changed.
Link Posted: 2/15/2017 9:41:28 AM EDT
[#11]
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The Cold War ended in 1989.

Tension is as tension is, but it is not. "Cold War."

Neither side is arming and equipping with the objective of destroying the other should war break out, a reality that defined the Cold War.

There's just no comparison.
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Thank you.
Link Posted: 2/15/2017 9:47:57 AM EDT
[#12]
No it didn't end, we are just in a different phase of it. They have hundreds if not thousands of nukes ready to launch at a moments notice and so do we.
Link Posted: 2/15/2017 2:29:42 PM EDT
[#13]
Yes and no IMHO. Tensions are nowhere close to where they were pre-1990.

I think Putin wants to have an empire but I don't for a second think he's ideologically driven. It's all about power for him and his buddies...he's a mob boss on a national scale that uses Russian patriotism as a cloak to hide under.

I doubt he really wants another Cold War but he does have to at least make it appear like Russia is still a superpower both for domestic reasons and forgien relations. Who is going to ally with you if you can't even still rustle some NATO jimmies or provide even a token response to help an old ally in a fight for survival?
Link Posted: 2/15/2017 2:31:57 PM EDT
[#14]
I'm not too sure it ever even started. 
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