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Posted: 8/17/2005 1:42:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/17/2005 1:45:21 PM EDT by luger355]
cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Camaro-ZL-1-40-1969-Chevrolet-Camaro_W0QQitemZ4568864225QQcategoryZ6161QQrdZ1QQcmd­ZViewItem

when its all said and done how much you think it will go for????

Edit: owner might consider small children as payment
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 1:51:40 PM EDT
I know GM trucks up and down, but know little about cars.

What's so damn great about the Camaro? From a quick search, it appears it has an aluminum block. That's it?

A 502 would be cooler.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 4:01:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/17/2005 4:01:47 PM EDT by YELLOWV]
An aluminum block thats it? Are you friggin kidding me. If that is indeed a real Zl1 Camaro is is one of the rarest and most badassed cars ever build. It will sell for well over a million dollars. Very surprised it wasn't at Barrett Jackson.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 4:12:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By YELLOWV:
An aluminum block thats it?

Are you friggin kidding me. If that is indeed a real Zl1 Camaro is is one of the rarest and most badassed cars ever build. It will sell for well over a million dollars. Very surprised it wasn't at Barrett Jackson.





ZL1 would be the baddest engine put in to a street car until the ZR-1 Corvettes.

560 hp, off the top of my head.

Basically cars built for racing, sold with license plate holders. Very rare
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 4:12:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/17/2005 4:13:42 PM EDT by Striker]
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 4:21:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By OLY-M4gery:

Originally Posted By YELLOWV:
An aluminum block thats it?

Are you friggin kidding me. If that is indeed a real Zl1 Camaro is is one of the rarest and most badassed cars ever build. It will sell for well over a million dollars. Very surprised it wasn't at Barrett Jackson.





ZL1 would be the baddest engine put in to a street car until the ZR-1 Corvettes.

560 hp, off the top of my head.

Basically cars built for racing, sold with license plate holders. Very rare



The ZR1 Vette was nothing special. The current Z06 LS6 engine puts down more power than the ZR1. There was nothing special about that engine other than it being DOHC and all aluminum. IMO the ZL1 and L88 were pretty equal in their badassedness. Actually I believe the L88 is the one that made 560hp. So far nothing has come close until the new LS7 comes out. Now that will be an awesome engine.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 4:25:58 PM EDT
Actually I think it'll go for a lot cause IIRC they made less than 200 ZL1s.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 5:08:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/17/2005 5:08:45 PM EDT by RSF45]
The ZL1 was an option in 1969 only. IIRC only 69 were built with that option.
Aluminum block,heads & intake. Had between 450-500hp.
Met a guy in 91 or 92 that put a ZL1 in his '33 coupe. He said the engine cost him 20K!
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 6:03:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By YELLOWV:

The ZR1 Vette was nothing special. The current Z06 LS6 engine puts down more power than the ZR1. There was nothing special about that engine other than it being DOHC and all aluminum. IMO the ZL1 and L88 were pretty equal in their badassedness. Actually I believe the L88 is the one that made 560hp. So far nothing has come close until the new LS7 comes out. Now that will be an awesome engine.



It was special in the sense, that it came after years of very lo-po vette's and other cars, and was the first Vette since the early 70's to have any real stock HP.

Not a world beater, but certainly a very good stock engine in a mass produced affordable car.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 6:31:28 PM EDT


1969 was a brief window in time where model proliferation, engine options, and bulls-eye styling converged to create some incredible Camaro combinations. By far, the most exotic was the ZL1 Camaro. Sixty-nine were built and each came with two things that would guarantee its place in legend and lore: a 430hp all-aluminum 427 (a staggering $4,160 option) developed for Can Am racing, and a price tag over $7,000 (a basic V-8 Camaro was less than $3,000).

E.T. 13.16 at 110.21
Engine ZL1 427
Transmission four-speed
Axle 4.10:1
Source High Performance Cars, July ’69
Good Points: 427 fire-breathin’ cubes with the weight (and sleeper appearance) of a six-banger. How sweet it is.
Bad Points: Could induce anxiety attacks, heart arrhythmia, palpitations, sweating, chronic wallet fatigue syndrome, and 11 different kinds of sleep disorders.
Fans Say: God bless COPO. Critics Say: Gee, a Camaro. Never seen one of those before!
A Legend Because: Imagine an engine option that cost more than the car itself—and was worth it! High water mark of the big-block—the ultimate Camaro.

Link Posted: 8/17/2005 7:05:36 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 7:09:08 PM EDT
Sounds like they are more interested in selling manifolds and parts than that car. I bet it never sells.

Free ad for their parts business.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 7:17:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/17/2005 7:24:17 PM EDT by luger355]

Originally Posted By legalese77:


1969 was a brief window in time where model proliferation, engine options, and bulls-eye styling converged to create some incredible Camaro combinations. By far, the most exotic was the ZL1 Camaro. Sixty-nine were built and each came with two things that would guarantee its place in legend and lore: a 430hp all-aluminum 427 (a staggering $4,160 option) developed for Can Am racing, and a price tag over $7,000 (a basic V-8 Camaro was less than $3,000).

E.T. 13.16 at 110.21
Engine ZL1 427
Transmission four-speed
Axle 4.10:1
Source High Performance Cars, July ’69
Good Points: 427 fire-breathin’ cubes with the weight (and sleeper appearance) of a six-banger. How sweet it is.
Bad Points: Could induce anxiety attacks, heart arrhythmia, palpitations, sweating, chronic wallet fatigue syndrome, and 11 different kinds of sleep disorders.
Fans Say: God bless COPO. Critics Say: Gee, a Camaro. Never seen one of those before!
A Legend Because: Imagine an engine option that cost more than the car itself—and was worth it! High water mark of the big-block—the ultimate Camaro.




ya explained it better than i could
on a side note, heres somthing i found interesting.

Only 69 of them ever built.

41 Left known to exist

Of the 41:

22 known to be unrepairable/destroyed
6 left "undiscovered"
7 left with original aluminum motor
6 dusk blue 4 speed cars built.



EDIT: i live about 30 min from that area, mabey i should take it for a test drive
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 7:55:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By OLY-M4gery:

Originally Posted By YELLOWV:

The ZR1 Vette was nothing special. The current Z06 LS6 engine puts down more power than the ZR1. There was nothing special about that engine other than it being DOHC and all aluminum. IMO the ZL1 and L88 were pretty equal in their badassedness. Actually I believe the L88 is the one that made 560hp. So far nothing has come close until the new LS7 comes out. Now that will be an awesome engine.



It was special in the sense, that it came after years of very lo-po vette's and other cars, and was the first Vette since the early 70's to have any real stock HP.

Not a world beater, but certainly a very good stock engine in a mass produced affordable car.



The ZR1 was hardly a mass produced affordable car. It was a limited production option that alone was almost $28,000 on top of the $40,000 + base price of the Vette. Were talking $70,000 in 1990. The LT1 Vettes were making 300 hp at the time and were about .4 seconds slower in the 1/4 and to 60 than the ZR1. You could surely put a whole lot less than $28,000 in an LT1 and easily outperform the ZR1. It was a novel and exotic idea for GM to build a DOHC small block (actually it was designed by Lotus and built by Mercury Marine) but it was really nothing special for damn near $70,000. That motor sure did sound nice though
Link Posted: 8/18/2005 7:19:11 AM EDT
WOW, the bids are up to $775K

This thing might g for over a mil

That money I'll buy a Ferrari Enzo:

Link Posted: 8/18/2005 7:43:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/19/2005 6:16:06 AM EDT by chuckhammer]

Originally Posted By YELLOWV:

Originally Posted By OLY-M4gery:

Originally Posted By YELLOWV:

The ZR1 Vette was nothing special. The current Z06 LS6 engine puts down more power than the ZR1. There was nothing special about that engine other than it being DOHC and all aluminum. IMO the ZL1 and L88 were pretty equal in their badassedness. Actually I believe the L88 is the one that made 560hp. So far nothing has come close until the new LS7 comes out. Now that will be an awesome engine.



It was special in the sense, that it came after years of very lo-po vette's and other cars, and was the first Vette since the early 70's to have any real stock HP.

Not a world beater, but certainly a very good stock engine in a mass produced affordable car.



The ZR1 was hardly a mass produced affordable car. It was a limited production option that alone was almost $28,000 on top of the $40,000 + base price of the Vette. Were talking $70,000 in 1990. The LT1 Vettes were making 300 hp at the time and were about .4 seconds slower in the 1/4 and to 60 than the ZR1. You could surely put a whole lot less than $28,000 in an LT1 and easily outperform the ZR1. It was a novel and exotic idea for GM to build a DOHC small block (actually it was designed by Lotus and built by Mercury Marine) but it was really nothing special for damn near $70,000. That motor sure did sound nice though



Exactly.

The 13.12 @ 110.2 timeslip quoted above isn't exactly earth-shattering either. 430 GROSS horsepower is pretty good but not breathtaking. I wonder what it could pull with modern rubber under it? Maybe mid-12.7s? That's close to '02-'04 Z06 territory. A slightly ($2k worth) modded '03-'04 Cobra or the C6 Z06 would easily beat it.

The ZL1's greatest attribute seems to be its rarity.

Oh, and the C6 Z06's "427" (actually rounds to 428 but, hey, you can't call a Chevy engine a 428) is a SMALL BLOCK making 505 SAE net HP. Put that in your '60s pipe and smoke it.
Link Posted: 8/18/2005 7:45:26 AM EDT
Don't get me wrong, I think first-gen Camaros are one of the best-looking cars ever but the ZL1 doesn't even have THAT going for it.
Link Posted: 8/18/2005 4:59:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/18/2005 5:00:52 PM EDT by YELLOWV]
Chuckhammer you totally missed my point and car all together. We were not discussing the ZL1 we were discussing the ZR1. You know the 1990-1995 aluminum DOHC small block car. It ran 13.4's on pretty good modern tires and made 375 hp to the crank for around $70,000. I was saying it was nothing special. The ZL1 on the other hand indeed is. It may have run a 13.1 at 110 on crap bias ply tires but I would wager to say a good set of modern slicks and no other mods whatsoever would have it in or the 11's easily.
Link Posted: 8/18/2005 6:12:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By YELLOWV:
Chuckhammer you totally missed my point and car all together. We were not discussing the ZL1 we were discussing the ZR1. You know the 1990-1995 aluminum DOHC small block car. It ran 13.4's on pretty good modern tires and made 375 hp to the crank for around $70,000. I was saying it was nothing special. The ZL1 on the other hand indeed is. It may have run a 13.1 at 110 on crap bias ply tires but I would wager to say a good set of modern slicks and no other mods whatsoever would have it in or the 11's easily.



No, I didn't miss your point I was agreeing with you and then addressing the ZL1.

430 gross HP from a big block isn't anything to brag about.
Link Posted: 8/18/2005 6:39:24 PM EDT
Oh okay sorry. The ZL1 and L88 were grossly underated.
Link Posted: 8/18/2005 7:49:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By chuckhammer:

Originally Posted By YELLOWV:
Chuckhammer you totally missed my point and car all together. We were not discussing the ZL1 we were discussing the ZR1. You know the 1990-1995 aluminum DOHC small block car. It ran 13.4's on pretty good modern tires and made 375 hp to the crank for around $70,000. I was saying it was nothing special. The ZL1 on the other hand indeed is. It may have run a 13.1 at 110 on crap bias ply tires but I would wager to say a good set of modern slicks and no other mods whatsoever would have it in or the 11's easily.



No, I didn't miss your point I was agreeing with you and then addressing the ZL1.

430 gross HP from a big block isn't anything to brag about.



Yeah, the deal is that the Camaro of those years was a fairly light car.
Putting a steel big block in there killed the handling of the car, ok for a drag car.
Putting a small block meant the car could turn, but had more traction than power.

Putting a ZL1, L88, which weighed the same as a 327 meant it handled like a small block car, and accelerated like a big block.
Link Posted: 8/18/2005 8:30:53 PM EDT
That looks to be one of the very few C.O.P.O. cars "Central Office Production Order"

Yes they are definitely rare in the purest form.

Sweet ride and rarer than a Yenko if I am not mistaken!

Tec-Rsq
North Gawga
Link Posted: 8/18/2005 9:35:18 PM EDT
Damn that thing is clean. I'd be afraid to drive it!
Link Posted: 8/18/2005 9:40:29 PM EDT
who cares...
Link Posted: 8/18/2005 10:05:47 PM EDT

was the first Vette since the early 70's to have any real stock HP.

Exactly. That's why it was a big deal at the time. Some people get too hung-up on numbers. They forget that that influence a car has on the industry and society is more important than raw numbers.z
Link Posted: 8/18/2005 10:11:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By gaspain:
who cares...



I'm sure there are lots of things you care about that not many other people do, so for some of us it's neat to see this car and we appreciate this member showing us the link.
Link Posted: 8/18/2005 10:22:30 PM EDT
I would love to have that car. too much $$$ for me though. The only rarer zl1 was the corvette only 2 ever made. This is a piece of history here.
Link Posted: 8/19/2005 6:17:36 AM EDT

Originally Posted By gaspain:
who cares...



Why in the fuck would you take the time to post "Who cares" in a thread?
Link Posted: 8/19/2005 11:24:00 AM EDT
Originally posted by YELLOWV:

The LT1 Vettes were making 300 hp at the time and were about .4 seconds slower in the 1/4 and to 60 than the ZR1


IIRC LT-1 Corvettes were rated at 370h.p.
Link Posted: 8/19/2005 11:28:26 AM EDT
the base engine 327/350 was rated at 300 h.p. good enough for 0-60 in about 6.5 sec. base engine was not a slouch.
Link Posted: 8/22/2005 9:16:46 AM EDT

Originally Posted By JLB:
Originally posted by YELLOWV:

The LT1 Vettes were making 300 hp at the time and were about .4 seconds slower in the 1/4 and to 60 than the ZR1


IIRC LT-1 Corvettes were rated at 370h.p.



I think LT-1 ones were less than 370 HP - as the much improved LS1 was rated at 350 HP, and the new LS2 is 400 HP.
Link Posted: 8/22/2005 10:03:02 AM EDT

Originally Posted By rcoers:

Originally Posted By JLB:
Originally posted by YELLOWV:

The LT1 Vettes were making 300 hp at the time and were about .4 seconds slower in the 1/4 and to 60 than the ZR1


IIRC LT-1 Corvettes were rated at 370h.p.



I think LT-1 ones were less than 370 HP - as the much improved LS1 was rated at 350 HP, and the new LS2 is 400 HP.



In the last year of the C4 (1996), the LT1 was rated at 300.

In the last year of the ZR1 C4 (1995), the LT5 was rated at 405.

Don't forget the LT4 which was used in the Gran Sport C4 in 1996 and was rated at 330.

The LS1 debuted in the first C5 in 1997 and was rated at 345.

In the 2001 C5, it was upgraded to 350 where it remained until the last C5 in 2004.

Also in 2001, the Z06 C5 debuted with the LS6 rated at 385.

In 2002, the LS6 was upgraded to 405 where it remained until the last Z06 C5 in 2004.

In 2005, the LS2 debuted in the C6 rated at 400.

In 2006, the LS7 will debut in the Z06 C6 rated at 505 using SAE's newest measuring spec (500 with the old spec).
Link Posted: 8/22/2005 1:15:51 PM EDT



That money I'll buy a Ferrari Enzo:

images.google.com/images?q=tbn:sY61LlCl-AgJ:motor.tuportada.com/img/wp/ferrari-enzo-13.jpg




The Enzo is going for over a million now. Average price is about $1.5 million.

The camaro is up to $847,257 with 2 days still left on the biding
Link Posted: 8/22/2005 6:18:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By JLB:
Originally posted by YELLOWV:

The LT1 Vettes were making 300 hp at the time and were about .4 seconds slower in the 1/4 and to 60 than the ZR1


IIRC LT-1 Corvettes were rated at 370h.p.



You do not recall correctly.
Link Posted: 8/22/2005 6:47:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By chuckhammer:

Originally Posted By rcoers:

Originally Posted By JLB:
Originally posted by YELLOWV:

The LT1 Vettes were making 300 hp at the time and were about .4 seconds slower in the 1/4 and to 60 than the ZR1


IIRC LT-1 Corvettes were rated at 370h.p.



I think LT-1 ones were less than 370 HP - as the much improved LS1 was rated at 350 HP, and the new LS2 is 400 HP.



In the last year of the C4 (1996), the LT1 was rated at 300.

In the last year of the ZR1 C4 (1995), the LT5 was rated at 405.

Don't forget the LT4 which was used in the Gran Sport C4 in 1996 and was rated at 330.

The LS1 debuted in the first C5 in 1997 and was rated at 345.

In the 2001 C5, it was upgraded to 350 where it remained until the last C5 in 2004.

Also in 2001, the Z06 C5 debuted with the LS6 rated at 385.

In 2002, the LS6 was upgraded to 405 where it remained until the last Z06 C5 in 2004.

In 2005, the LS2 debuted in the C6 rated at 400.

In 2006, the LS7 will debut in the Z06 C6 rated at 505 using SAE's newest measuring spec (500 with the old spec).



You know your Chevy small block V8s!
Link Posted: 8/22/2005 8:45:40 PM EDT
I care. Great thread. Thanks to all for the Camaro/Chevy trivia.
Link Posted: 8/23/2005 9:10:47 AM EDT

Originally Posted By kman84:
I would love to have that car. too much $$$ for me though. The only rarer zl1 was the corvette only 2 ever made. This is a piece of history here.



Darn you beat me to it.

Also when people have mentioned that the ZL1 is under rated they are not kidding. I have read that it was under rated to the tune of about 100HP, and that when you ditch the stock manifolds the HP jumped up into the neighborhood of 550-600HP. Some of the articles I have read stated that this car was not very streetable at all. Horrible idle, milage, ran VERY hot in any kind of traffic etc.

It will go for over 1Mill for sure.
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