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Posted: 1/2/2003 11:09:28 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/2/2003 11:09:59 PM EST by sherrick13]
Link Posted: 1/2/2003 11:12:57 PM EST
If they are illegal like the artical says, then you should not have a problem. Please let me know if I am reading the article wrong.
Link Posted: 1/2/2003 11:14:12 PM EST
More reasons why you shouldnt call the cops for anything! This sounds like the silent witness program they have in town here. Problem is, they rarely let the person remain anonymous. My little bro did the right thing and reported something only for them to put his name on the report that the criminals recieved.
Link Posted: 1/2/2003 11:19:53 PM EST
This is crazy!!! So one of my neighbors calls and says, "The guy next door has Evil Black Rifles." He thinks he's a good citizen because we're trying to solve the "sniper" case. So when the ATF comes to my house based on some rumor what the hell am I supposed to do? This is stupid. Any information not relavent to the case at hand should have been disgarded. Moose is an idiot. Maryland is as bad as Kalifornistan. But don't think I won't go home and play in my yard with my Evil Black Rifles....
Link Posted: 1/2/2003 11:22:01 PM EST
They'll probably mark the houses that have already been visited with some type of distinguishing mark.
Link Posted: 1/2/2003 11:24:12 PM EST
Originally Posted By schapman43: They'll probably mark the houses that have already been visited with some type of distinguishing mark.
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and park Evil Black Cars outside the others
Link Posted: 1/2/2003 11:24:24 PM EST
Bastards! Im glad I dont live in Mont. County, but it sure isnt too far away. Hey MSP,be real men and go after REAL criminals.You pieces of shit. I'm not cop bashing, hell I am applying to become a police officer. but the Maryland State Police are just as good as the Nazi's!
Link Posted: 1/2/2003 11:32:55 PM EST
Sounds like a reasonable application of profiling to me. Anyone who doesn't agree is either a criminal or a supporter of al qaeda.
Link Posted: 1/2/2003 11:33:09 PM EST
Originally Posted By M4_Aiming_at_U: Bastards! Im glad I dont live in Mont. County, but it sure isnt too far away. Hey MSP,be real men and go after REAL criminals.You pieces of shit. I'm not cop bashing, hell I am applying to become a police officer. but the Maryland State Police are just as good as the Nazi's!
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and if they hadn't overlooked black muslims from the beginning, maybe less people would have dies. Of course, how would they get all the info they wanted without wasting time looking for the single white male in mid 20s driving a white van. He's probably a white supremacist, please call and tell us where he lives.... bastards....
Link Posted: 1/2/2003 11:33:35 PM EST
It sounds like a witch hunt.
Link Posted: 1/2/2003 11:45:11 PM EST
Originally Posted By Stealth: It sounds like a witch hunt.
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but they know what they are looking for... they are looking for people who oppose the socialist agenda they try to push.... It pisses me off so much when they do things like this. How long until we are on the ATF list awaiting the knock on our doors because a neighbor thought they were doing some good
Link Posted: 1/2/2003 11:46:11 PM EST
Originally Posted By Stealth: It [red]sounds like[/red] a witch hunt.
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Sounds Like !?
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 12:10:40 AM EST
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 12:12:53 AM EST
Originally Posted By osprey21:
Originally Posted By Stealth: It [red]sounds like[/red] a witch hunt.
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Sounds Like !?
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"And your little dog, too.........."
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 12:13:06 AM EST
I'm still working on trying to understand what it was that Moose actually said during all those press conferences.... is there anyone here fluent in Ebonics?
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 12:21:22 AM EST
Originally Posted By pkennedy: How long until we are on the ATF list...
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I've purchase enough firearms and ammunition using my Visa to put me on every watch list the BATFE has. Fingerprints, paperwork that never goes away, supercomputers, TIPS and the Patriots Act... I'm just waiting for someone to yell... "He turned me into a NEWT!" [:D]
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 12:28:09 AM EST
God knows how many people died because Moose refused to look for anyone but a middle aged white man, Now this nonsence! God help the people of Maryland!
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 1:10:21 AM EST
[url]http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=29590[/url]
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 2:05:53 AM EST
The very idea that any particular sort of firearm is illegal, ANYWHERE, when others are not, is and always shall be STUPID. But then again, Moose is not much brighter than your average...moose. Both the four legged kind and the sort that appeared in the Archie comics you probably remember from your earlier days. CJ
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 3:15:21 AM EST
Very disturbing becsause this is probably going to result in arresting a number of NON felons like they did with gun owners who are going through divorce and the wife gets a restraining order against them. These people were not felons because they were not convicted of anything and they still had thier guns taken. They always use the words Voilent Felon when setting up a program that is essentially going to become JBT raids. The sad part is that they will blur the lines of who they will go after and eventually cross it because their goal is to remove all guns and this is how it begins.
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 3:35:28 AM EST
Originally Posted By schapman43: They'll probably mark the houses that have already been visited with some type of distinguishing mark.
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Better yet they can tatoo a serial number on the arms of those they have already 'interviewed'.
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 3:42:20 AM EST
Lett's see even herein the PRNJ we need a search warrant. Is a tip line probabale cause?
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 4:00:59 AM EST
Originally posted by garr: God help the people of Maryland!
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You know what, screw the people of Maryland, they put these morons in office, let them throw them out and make an example of them for the rest of the country to follow. If they all stood up and told them to shove it, this wouldnt happen. Then again, this goes for all of us all over the country. We allow what goes on, and bitch about it here. The places with the strictest controls have the worst crime, doesnt take a rocket scientist to see that, so why do we still allow these morons a free hand at doing nothing but harass the law abiding? (It wasnt an LEO what cracked the sniper case, was it?) Day by day the parallels with what went on in Nazi Germany just prior to the war are eery. Those of us that are older remeber what America was like when it was free.(When I was a kid, you could still order a gun through the mail!) The youngins today have no idea how much they have lost, and before to long, these will be their GOOD days. When that boy was in the tower in Texas in the 60's, he had half the town shooting back at him. What do suppose would have happened in Maryland if that happened? Do you think the "authorities" would have "allowed" that, if the same situation arose? I think you know the answer to that. If you want this to go away, we have to make it go away. We have to do it together, or one by one, we truly will "hang alone". If your gonna keep bitchin, then get in the kitchen, if you want your rights, your gonna have to fight! Hey, what do ya know, I'm a rapper! [:E]
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 4:08:21 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/3/2003 4:23:48 AM EST by Hawkeye]
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 4:08:47 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/3/2003 6:35:39 AM EST by 9divdoc]
[b]Sniper [red]tips[/red] to aid hunt for firearms By Arlo Wagner and Matthew Cella THE WASHINGTON TIMES[/b]      Montgomery County police said yesterday [green]that they will use tens of thousands of[/green][red] tips[/red] from the October sniper hunt to track down those who violate Maryland gun laws.      "Our goal is to reduce illegal firearm possessions and violent crimes," said Capt. Nancy Demme, spokeswoman for the Montgomery County Police Department. She also said the intensive crackdown would begin in the county in a few weeks.      The mission will be carried out by a [green]task force of county and state police officers, as well as federal agents of the Secret Service and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.[/green]      Police authorities said many of the nearly [green]100,000 [red]tips[/red] and the names of [red]tipsters[/red] and offenders were set aside during the sniper investigation[/green] because it was clear they did not pertain to the shooter or shooters, who were using a rifle.      "If, for instance, someone called to say, 'The guy next door has a couple handguns,' that did not apply," explained Michael Bouchard, special agent in charge of the ATF office in Baltimore.      Though police say the [red]tips[/red] could help solve cases and get illegal guns off the street, [green]gun groups are uneasy about such a task force using information often submitted by neighbors.[/green]      "I just plain don't like it," said Robert Culver, co-chairman of Montgomery Citizens for a Safer Maryland, a Montgomery County-based gun-advocacy group.      Mr. Culver said the task force could go overboard while investigating gun owners, relying on "rumors" or fraudulent or misguided [red]tips.[/red]      The sniper hunt ended Oct. 25 at an Interstate 70 rest stop near Myersville, Md., with the arrest of John Allen Muhammad, 42, and John Lee Malvo, 17. They are in Virginia jails awaiting capital-offense trials.      Six of the 10 sniper slayings occurred in Montgomery County. The first took place Oct. 2, with four more occurring in the county the next day, causing thousands of Maryland, Washington and Virginia residents to call a special [red]tip-line[/red] telephone number with information about suspects and dubious circumstances.      "We are still getting a lot of [red]tips[/red] as a result," Mr. Bouchard said, and those [red]tips[/red] are being examined for possible violations of Maryland and D.C. gun laws.      Though the task force will focus on handgun owners convicted of violent felonies, Mr. Bouchard acknowledged that some [red]tips [/red]already have led to persons who had no idea they owned guns illegally.     [green] "We are not looking to take away any guns or ammunition that are legally possessed," he said.[/green]      Still, advocacy groups remain concerned.      A Web site for Maryland gun owners, www.direct-action.org, stated in an October article that the sniper shootings could lead to a "wanton politicizing of a crisis, leading to apparently [green]unconstrained police activity."[/green]      The site offered advice to gun owners interviewed by authorities based on [red]tips.[/red]      Gun advocates portray the crackdown as evidence of continuing hostility toward gun owners by county officials.      [green][u]In 2001, the county failed in an attempt to ban gun shows at the Montgomery County Agricultural Center in Gaithersburg. When Silverado Promotions, the show's promoter, challenged the ban, a federal judge ruled that the Montgomery County Council broke the law when it tried to withhold county money to support the event.[/u][/green]      The ruling is being appealed. In the interim, Silverado Promotions is holding a gun show at the Gaithersburg agricultural center this weekend.      Other jurisdictions are also following on tips received during the sniper shootings.      "We have detectives working on [red]tips[/red] but we do not have a special task force," Fairfax County Police spokeswoman Cheryl Farrell said.      Prince George's County police are responding similarly. Capt. Andy Ellis, a department spokesman, said investigators are checking [red]tips[/red] that might help solve other crimes or reveal new crimes.      Still, Virginia police officials in the commonwealth will work much differently on this issue compared with Montgomery or Prince George's counties because Maryland gun laws are "far more restrictive," said John Ritter, an Arlington County police detective. [img]http://www.a-human-right.com/RKBA/s_monopoly.jpg[/img]
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Link Posted: 1/3/2003 4:22:49 AM EST
You've gotta be shittin' me! This is akin to benefitting from the results of Nazi and Japanese medical experiments on prisoners! I also noticed one of the LEO's in that article stated that it would help in finding "NEW" crimes. There is a fundamental problem when the cops are out to "find" new crimes, i.e. making a criminal out of someone who isn't. That's how they hope to catch us all one day---just make us criminals with the wave of a pen or decree. Tinfoil, anyone?
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 4:22:58 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/3/2003 4:27:08 AM EST by longshot_va]
Our goal is to reduce illegal firearm possessions
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Translation- All firearms possession is illegal firearm possession. -Chief Moose'[i]wincle[/i] Turn in your neighbors now! Do it for the children! Report your parents to the authorities! --LS
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 4:32:20 AM EST
Who [i]didn't[/i] see this coming? [rolleyes]
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 4:33:25 AM EST
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 4:35:00 AM EST
The police are really, really stupid. Next time there is a "big case" which requires cooperation from the public there will be a lot less cooperation. Bad decision by the police. GunLvr
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 4:37:46 AM EST
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 4:44:50 AM EST
If I am reading the article right they are using anonomous tips to aid in these investigations. Tips alone are NOT probable cause. It sure sounds like a witch hunt to me.
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 4:49:13 AM EST
Originally Posted By GunLvrPHD: The police are really, really stupid. Next time there is a "big case" which requires cooperation from the public there will be a lot less cooperation.
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No there won't. Gun owners are a [i]minority[/i]. Hell, we're largely a [i]despised[/i] minority. Jane Q. Soccermom will still be calling in "tips" - like "My neighbor has a couple of handguns."
Bad decision by the police.
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I doubt it.
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 5:32:30 AM EST
Agreed KBaker. Recently in Kalifornia... There is a beach near Vandenberg AFB that militant extremist environmentalists, after drumming up dozens of lies about a particular species of bird known as the Snowy Plover, were successful in virtually completely closing to the public. There is a small stretch of beach, about 1/4 mile long, that allows access to the ocean. The rest of the beach is fenced off. While my fiancee and i were standing on the "boardwalk" between the parking lot and the beach, a young man came walking off the beach carrying a sign that probably had fallen off a fence somewhere. It was one of the 'NO DOGS, NO FOOD, NO PEOPLE, VIOLATORS WILL BE SHOT' ridiculous signs that are a good example of the level of Kalifornia's insanity. He walked past us and then past an older couple. The woman spoke up and said, "What are you doing with that sign?" I didn't hear a response. I think the guy just stared at her. He walked away, approached his car and got in. The woman followed him with her husband in tow. She reached into her husband's shirt pocket, removed a pen and paper, and wrote down the license number of the young man's car. I told my fiancee what I witnessed. She said in a curiously loud voice, "What a Fuc
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 5:40:43 AM EST
The only thing that surprises me is that there seems to be a number of you that are suprised by this.......
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 5:45:04 AM EST
As you undoubtedly recall, Chief Moose kept asking for help to get the names of white patriot rifle owners even though he knew that black men were the snipers. Several people died because this info was withheld from the area law enforcement. I guess this was his intention all along. He wanted to get those evil guns and to hell with the victims of real violence.
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 6:21:56 AM EST
The liberal establishment over there must be still fuming because they were not able to get a white guy on the sniper crime. It is very apparent that they want to make up for it and more.
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 6:39:01 AM EST
A SPECIAL NOTE TO MARYLAND GUN OWNERS (October 7, 2002) The terrorist attacks that plague our region obviously raise alarm for us all. Unfortunately, it now appears that gun owners may have to be just as concerned about government's reaction to the attacks. Politicians are already playing their games, and law abiding gun owners must pay. County Executive Doug Duncan and his crew have waved rifles in the face of TV cameras telling viewers "report to the police anyone who has one of these." People are responding accordingly, with neighbors turning in neighbors based only on the knowledge that they own guns. The witch hunt is on, driven more by the need to condition views of an electorate about to vote than by sound police investigative procedures. Whether because of this or from dealers giving up their customer lists, police are going door to door to interview people solely based on their suspicion of owning a rifle. The source of our angst is the wanton politicizing of a crisis, leading to apparently unconstrained police activity. Law-abiding citizens may now fall under the veil of suspicion simply for a disinterest in humoring a detective looking for any rifles he can get his hands on. We have credible reports of citizens being asked to voluntarily give over their property for police analysis as well. A terrorist crisis such as what we face is the most important time for us to honor the Constitution, Bill of Rights and our system of government --- not suspend them. In the interest of helping our readers avoid becoming incidential victims sacrificed on the altar of Doug Duncan's anti-gun ambitions, we asked Howard J. Fezell, a lawyer practicing in Maryland, to give us a quick summary of how to respond if police come to your door looking for your rifles. His reply is appended. We encourage you to think through what you'll do before dealing with a police visit. Bring this up with your lawyer and make sure you have sound advice ahead of time. -- Editor. 1. All contacts should be on your front porch. Nobody gets inside of the house. Better yet, talk to them through the screen door, with the screen door locked. 2. It would be a good idea to make mental notes of where you were at the time of these attacks. If they inquire about this, tell them where you were. 3. If they want to know what kind of firearms you own, just tell them to check the databases maintained by the MSP and BATF. 4. If they want to examine any firearm you own, politely decline. If they persist, then you should insist that they obtain a warrant. (It would be at this juncture that you give them the name and phone number of your lawyer, inviting them to make all further contacts through him. Politely excuse yourself and go inside.) Howard J. Fezell, Esq. 301 846 0241 fezell @ fred.net
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 6:41:58 AM EST
Originally Posted By fight4yourrights:
Originally Posted By AK103K: You know what, screw the people of Maryland, they put these morons in office, let them throw them out and make an example of them for the rest of the country to follow.
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Agreed, screw the people of Maryland! However, remember that the people affected by this CAN'T vote these morons out. The Dead and the Welfare folks dominate the elections in Merryland. Honest, decent folks didn't elect these fools and can't get rid of them. That's why I fled last year and moved to Pennyslvania. Of course we have to deal with Rendell now.........
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Feds arent elected officals of Maryland
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 7:43:18 AM EST
I will call the NRA and see what they are going to do to protect the gun-owners in Maryland. I'll check their website, I am sure they have set up some kind of action-plan to stop this in the courts and put political pressure on people backing this plan. I just know they aren't sitting back and letting this persecution of gun-owners happen unchecked.
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When you get a hold of them, ask them how they are making out with the machinegun ban of '86, they were a real big help there.[:(!] Even better, ask them how much all those fancy offices and big salarys run the members each year. Maybe when they get back from Aruba, they will mail you another flyer asking for more money. I'll bet you get that before you get any attenntion from them over this.
Feds arent elected officals of Maryland
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What part of this has anything to do with the feds? Sounds like a local issue. The local boys aren't feds, and are elected or hired and are accountable to the people of MD.
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 9:26:38 AM EST
Originally Posted By KBaker: [No there won't. Gun owners are a [i]minority[/i]. Hell, we're largely a [i]despised[/i] minority. Jane Q. Soccermom will still be calling in "tips" - like "My neighbor has a couple of handguns
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One thing to remember, I don't think that any of those tips were actually "anonymous". Phone numbers of those calls, locations, etc. were recorded. GunLvr
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 9:55:14 AM EST
Quit your bitch'in and do something. The hell with waiting for everyone to get in line, why not just start a damn line? Yes, I am talking about bringing the fight to them. Gather everyone we can, and protest against them in a civil manner. If they ignore us the first time, we will just keep it up until they kill us all. The hell with living forever in a Fascist state. I would rather die. Life would be more interesting raising some hell. Anyone here willing to do protest?
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 9:56:50 AM EST
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Originally Posted By KBaker: [No there won't. Gun owners are a [i]minority[/i]. Hell, we're largely a [i]despised[/i] minority. Jane Q. Soccermom will still be calling in "tips" - like "My neighbor has a couple of handguns."
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One problem though--I don't think the tips were actually anonymous. People were told they were, but their phone numbers and locations were recorded. GunLvr
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 10:56:30 AM EST
Gee, what happened to all of the people who spouted "chicken little" bullshit comments when the warnings about this happening during the sniper investigation? What happened to all of the people who spouted "tin foil hat" bullshit comments when I said CBS news reported that the FBI was using a database to track the histories all ar 15 owners in the area? Run away, run away and hide. Bow down to the one you serve, you're gonna get what you deserve.
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 11:08:58 AM EST
My neighbors don't know sht about what I got. But I DO KNOW what they got. Neighbor to the left has two college age cuties. I always load up the car in the garage.
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 3:41:43 PM EST
You know what, screw the people of Maryland
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Screw us huh? Great attitudes you Dicks! I suppose when PA passes it's next anti-gun law (psst.. remember your new Governor) and somebody starts a thread about it, we can all just say you deserved it. It's happening everywhere not just in MD. Are the restrictions here in Maryland [b]to date[/b], cause for armed insurrection. Of course not. It's too incremental, and it's precisely for that reason. The day I can't own what I want, and labeled a felon for what I already do then it will be a different story. I won't try to impress you all with lots of bravado talk, but there is pro-gun people here that haven't fled the state, and we know what inalienable rights are and how to stand up for them. Until that day.
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 3:49:21 PM EST
The problem is that this "Chief Moose" is a simple minded , slow-witted oaf. He looked like a retard on TV and could not solve a Jumble, much less determine what is an illegal gun. The Nazi's will attack you , confiscate your firearms and force you into court to get them returned after they are determined to be legal. You will pay thousands in legal fees to retain possesion of your legal firearms. The cops will simply say,"it's up to the courts to decide if its legal we just enforce the law". Watch and learn my slow friends.
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 3:53:41 PM EST
Originally Posted By mk1iii:
You know what, screw the people of Maryland
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Screw us huh? Great attitudes you Dicks! I suppose when PA passes it's next anti-gun law (psst.. remember your new Governor) and somebody starts a thread about it, we can all just say you deserved it. It's happening everywhere not just in MD. Are the restrictions here in Maryland [b]to date[/b], cause for armed insurrection. Of course not. It's too incremental, and it's precisely for that reason. The day I can't own what I want, and labeled a felon for what I already do then it will be a different story. I won't try to impress you all with lots of bravado talk, but there is pro-gun people here that haven't fled the state, and we know what inalienable rights are and how to stand up for them. Until that day.
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You're right. We all need to help MD gun owners stand up for their rights. However, some of you in MD are going to need to take the lead on this. What can and should be done to stop this? Ideas please...
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 4:08:02 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/3/2003 4:12:23 PM EST by DEERSNIPER]
Originally Posted By fight4yourrights: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted By AK103K: You know what, screw the people of Maryland, they put these morons in office, let them throw them out and make an example of them for the rest of the country to follow. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Agreed, screw the people of Maryland! However, remember that the people affected by this CAN'T vote these morons out. The Dead and the Welfare folks dominate the elections in Merryland. Honest, decent folks didn't elect these fools and can't get rid of them. That's why I fled last year and moved to Pennyslvania. Of course we have to deal with Rendell now.........
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FUCK YOU -DEERSNIPER [sniper] Edit: I'm 15 and can't vote and I'm tired of this bullshit. Screw the gun owners of the US they need to help themselves. FUCK YOU
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 5:15:54 PM EST
You're right. We all need to help MD gun owners stand up for their rights. However, some of you in MD are going to need to take the lead on this. What can and should be done to stop this? Ideas please...
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Thank you Pkennedy- Monday some phone calls are going to have to be made. State AG and District Representatives for starters. The Governor's office too, but I think it's too soon for that as I don't think he's taken office yet since election.
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