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Posted: 9/12/2004 3:44:56 PM EST
Hello
I'm working toward a BS in computer science and not sure which field to go into. Does anyone have any advice on jobs or fields?

Thanks
Jason
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 3:50:59 PM EST
what stuff have you liked so far?
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 3:52:38 PM EST
If you're posting here, I'm guessing you find military h/w interesting. I'd advise sending resumes to Military contractors like TRW, Raytheon, Boeing, etc....

If you're going to spend the next 40 years of your life in a cube, better to have a few trips to missile firings, or onboard ships or military bases to install/test your s/w. That's alot more interesting than commercial s/w, IMO.

Link Posted: 9/12/2004 3:57:32 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 4:00:24 PM EST

Originally Posted By 50CaliberGuy:

Does anyone have any advice on jobs or fields?




Not to be a smart ass but you should already be working a job in the computer field so you can be trying things out first hand. You should be able to get a work study job as a computer tech, not a lab consultant but as a tech your colleges computer center, or get an intership somewhere. The reason being is in this field you have to be self motived and self teaching, if you don't end up a field that personally interests you it will be very difficult to find the motivation to keep on learning.

I have a degree in computer science but other than the structure and logic of how to write a program nothing I learned in college is used on the job. Everything I do on a daily basis was self taught. I also started out in the computer center as a tech running cables, building computers, and fixing problems. Then I moved on to working on servers, and then finally into programming which is what I liked the best. Some people like the server administration better others like programming, but the only way you will know is if you try out both first hand.
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Link Posted: 9/12/2004 4:07:43 PM EST
Slayer,

Do you know why everytime one applies at IBM the resume seems to get sucked into a black hole?
Thanks

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
by the way i work for IBM. They have a terrific intern program you would probobly qualify for. If your interested i will see if i can get you the info. Pay sucks, hours suck, benifits suck, but the expereince is kick ass.

mike

Link Posted: 9/12/2004 4:07:48 PM EST

Originally Posted By SWIRE:
Not to be a smart ass but you should already be working a job in the computer field so you can be trying things out first hand.



Big ditto there. I "went into computers" in the late eighties because "that's where the money's at". Had a chance to bounce around just about every niche before I realized three years ago that I hated the whole lot . You really need to find out for yourself what meshes best with your personality or you'll just end up bitter and burnt out on tech like m... um... this guy I know.
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Link Posted: 9/12/2004 4:22:25 PM EST

Originally Posted By ms_international:
Slayer,

Do you know why everytime one applies at IBM the resume seems to get sucked into a black hole?
Thanks

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
by the way i work for IBM. They have a terrific intern program you would probobly qualify for. If your interested i will see if i can get you the info. Pay sucks, hours suck, benifits suck, but the expereince is kick ass.

mike




cause it's IBM. every swinging richard wants a piece of that action.

I've worked at IBM too and you'd do well, especially in this day and age, to have something to offer them. You do know that they are offshoring 45% of their staff to India by 2005/2006, right?

Which takes us to the subject of ...IT outsourcing. IBM is not the only one outsourcing. Every major corporation is doing it...it's mostly in IT now, but they are also doing it with most Admin tasks.

Link Posted: 9/12/2004 4:23:02 PM EST
Lockheed Martin was hiring a ton of people last year...at least certain divisions were. Think they still are.

I also have almost completed a CSci degree but all I can say is run--the industry looks like crap and working in a cubicle is bad. Just my opinion.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 4:24:49 PM EST
move to India
every CS related job around here wants 5+ years experience
the ones listed as entry level want 3+
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 4:28:45 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/12/2004 4:29:10 PM EST by ms_international]

Originally Posted By Slv2fun:

Originally Posted By ms_international:
Slayer,

Do you know why everytime one applies at IBM the resume seems to get sucked into a black hole?
Thanks

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
by the way i work for IBM. They have a terrific intern program you would probobly qualify for. If your interested i will see if i can get you the info. Pay sucks, hours suck, benifits suck, but the expereince is kick ass.

mike




cause it's IBM. every swinging richard wants a piece of that action.


I've worked at IBM too and you'd do well, especially in this day and age, to have something to offer them. You do know that they are offshoring 45% of their staff to India by 2005/2006, right?

Which takes us to the subject of ...IT outsourcing. IBM is not the only one outsourcing. Every major corporation is doing it...it's mostly in IT now, but they are also doing it with most Admin tasks.




not a swinging richard, but thanks for the feedback...
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 4:32:13 PM EST

Originally Posted By 50CaliberGuy:
Hello
I'm working toward a BS in computer science and not sure which field to go into. Does anyone have any advice on jobs or fields?

Thanks
Jason



Do you like programming?

If not, then how much systems admin stuff (UNIX, Windows, etc) have you had?

Those are the 'top 2' for CS -> either go into MIS as an admin, or become a programmer...

You could allways join the military & go into communications or similar...

(then again, I'm the guy with a MIS degree who's aspiration in life is to be an armor officer for the US Army...)
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 4:37:13 PM EST

High end enterprise servers are becoming insanely reliable.

But printers are not. We spend more on labor repairing printers per year than we do on buying new servers and upgrading old ones. High-end printers require a lot of TLC. The idea that paperless offices are the future doesn't appear to be happening any time soon, so there should be work for a long time.z
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Link Posted: 9/12/2004 4:40:46 PM EST
Let's see, let me ask my wife -

- Nope, it still sucks. She's laid off again, 6 months last year, since July this year. Last year was the first time she had been out of work since she graduated in 1978. Her most recent experience is programming SAP applications.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 4:41:55 PM EST
I work in a cubicle doing software analysis/programming/debugging everyday. It sucks ass. For the time being I'll stick it out, because the pay's good and my company will not outsource. But I'd much rather have a job where I could fart, swear, and scratch my balls when I want to.
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Link Posted: 9/12/2004 4:52:15 PM EST

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:

Originally Posted By ms_international:
Slayer,

Do you know why everytime one applies at IBM the resume seems to get sucked into a black hole?
Thanks

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
by the way i work for IBM. They have a terrific intern program you would probobly qualify for. If your interested i will see if i can get you the info. Pay sucks, hours suck, benifits suck, but the expereince is kick ass.

mike




from my experiance here this is what i have found.

local management is responsible for hiring. they gather the resumes and then ask the product specialist in the area they are looking for for suggestions. I have sat in on several interviews and even taken a few prospects on ride along.

IBM is a political monster. There are MANY MANY resumes for every opening. Most of the guys we have hired in the past had an "IN" with the local team. In every case i had worked with or known "the new guy" from other customer accounts or freinds.

Resumes are a waste of time in this company in my area. If you want an "IN" get to know the local techs. We have an enourmous amount of pull in the hiring process here. Technical skills are a plus but IBM will Teach you what you need to know. I started with ZERO certs but had a cousin that was manager in another group. He got me in. 2 years later i had some SERIOUS certification on IBM's bill.

I really hate to even mention this....

Above everything else you take suck it up and the the A+ cert. We all know it is worthless but it is the VERY first thing every employer looks for. Regardless of the job at hand.

mike



Thank you Sir - I did/do have an in with several IBM PMs - but can no longer travel - hurts me now with my career - oh well. Starting own business. Wish me luck
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 4:53:54 PM EST
Rent or buy "Office Space".

Next:

Do you like sunrises?

Oh, well, if you don't, then don't get into I.T.

Sorry...I've been in the business since 1976....and it's great.

But, you need a spouse/significant other that understands the three following words..


"I Don't Know"


That's the answer to the person who calls and says "When are you gonna be home?" or "When will you get if fixed?"

Sorry to be blunt, but I.T. is very demanding, and especially if it is in a truly mission critical environment.

However, the money is good, and you rarely have to get filthy.

All that being said, would I do it again?

No, I'd be a radiology tech.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 5:05:25 PM EST

Originally Posted By COZ_45:
Rent or buy "Office Space".

Next:

Do you like sunrises?

Oh, well, if you don't, then don't get into I.T.

Sorry...I've been in the business since 1976....and it's great.

But, you need a spouse/significant other that understands the three following words..


"I Don't Know"


That's the answer to the person who calls and says "When are you gonna be home?" or "When will you get if fixed?"

Sorry to be blunt, but I.T. is very demanding, and especially if it is in a truly mission critical environment.

However, the money is good, and you rarely have to get filthy.

All that being said, would I do it again?

No, I'd be a radiology tech.


Amen to that - I hated getting up at 02dark hundred hours being onsite almost before security. There are other jobs like that as well - such as combat units in the Marine Corps.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 5:06:16 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 5:18:01 PM EST
PDNTSPA - Pick a layer and excel.

Content switches, VPN, PKI, OS security, design, development, test... whateva. Just so long as you can't be replaced by some Indian that will do it for a bowl of rice and a warm blanky.



Link Posted: 9/12/2004 6:38:52 PM EST
First, plan on being a leader both technically as well from a business perspective. Get a minor in business. If all you can do is code your ass is outsourced (or the more PC phrase off shored). Pick a specialization area. This is hard. You can name your price if you can write Eclipse plugins that really do something. Lots of development on top of Eclipse over the next few years. A big one that I see coming is Privacy. That's not quite the same as security. Take some classes in Law if this interests you. As technology becomes more pervasive there will be a huge demand for software to protect you from other software. Just wait until someone starts putting RFID chips into weapons so they can tell everytime you go to the gun range, or drive by check points, or so cops can search your car without ever opening a single door. Broadband wireless is going to get here in the next 7 years and that is going to drive high tech into everything everywhere. Read the MIT Review or some other forward looking tech mags and see what's coming about the time you will graduate. Have a plan or Satish and his twelve brothers and sisters will be waiting to do your job for pennies on the dollar. Be able to think, create, and manage and Satish will have to take someone else's pay check. There will always be jobs in this field for those who are gifted, talented, and motivated. If you chose this degree because you like what you'll be doing you will probably come out fine. If you are doing it because it sounded good or you know someone who does well in seek another field. Good luck.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 6:46:39 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/12/2004 6:48:17 PM EST by eodtech2000]

Originally Posted By zonan:
Lockheed Martin was hiring a ton of people last year...at least certain divisions were. Think they still are.

I also have almost completed a CSci degree but all I can say is run--the industry looks like crap and working in a cubicle is bad. Just my opinion.



Most of the Contracters working where I work for the USAF, are working for Lockheed Martin. At least in DoD, you don't have to worry about your job being outsourced to India.
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