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Posted: 11/29/2002 6:21:48 AM EDT
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If you're in the LA area I've heard good things about the Diamond Exchange in Tustin.
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Posted: 11/29/2002 7:00:32 AM EDT
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FYI:
just remember one thing...diamonds do not last forever. They are out of equilibrium on the earths surface and break down over time. By her a diamond, go to a jeweler in a year and it will not be the same size/weight. It is a beautiful gift though... |
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Posted: 11/29/2002 7:06:05 AM EDT
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Prior to going diamond shopping for an engagement ring about 5 years ago I checked a couple of books out of the library about diamonds and digested them. After all, they are expensive little buggers...why go shopping in ignorance?
I found that I knew more about diamonds than about 80% of the morons working in the shops. I am just some chump who read a couple of books from the library whereas this was their job. The best advice I can give is shop around. The shop with the best, most knowledgeable staff wont necessarily have the best deals. I ran over one shop for a nice 1.56 ct. ....which I subsequently sold a few years later (bad marriage...got my rock back though) for a profit actually...which is almost unheard of. |
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Posted: 11/29/2002 7:09:45 AM EDT
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Do some research here [url]diamondtalk.com[/url].
I proposed to my wife without a ring knowing that she would want to pick it out. We ended up with a three stone DeBeers style set in platinum. I ordered the stones directly from the cutter in Tel Aviv after viewing the GIA certificates online. Only trust GIA grading. |
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Posted: 11/29/2002 8:09:46 AM EDT
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Buy with cut, clarity, and color in mind. AS for carat weight, It's a much better investment to buy a smaller stone with less imperfections.Anytime I see a stone larger than 1 carat, I wonder if it is real, or found on one of those cheesy TV shows!!!!!! I would go with a traditional setting also. Some rings look dated after a few years.....
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Posted: 11/29/2002 8:27:23 AM EDT
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Quoted: FYI: They are out of equilibrium on the earths surface and break down over time. By her a diamond, go to a jeweler in a year and it will not be the same size/weight. Hmmm.... That's interesting, can you provide me the reference data on your comment, I'd like to study it. . |
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Posted: 11/29/2002 8:35:48 AM EDT
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Quoted: I think I'm gonna kick down and buy the wife a ring for Christmas. I know they mark up the living shit out of diamonds and it's in my nature to buy things at cost plus a minimun. I'd like to get her something in the [red]4ct[/red] range and I know it's going to cost alot but if I can trim a good percentage off of it I could possibly also get me another toy that goes bang. Any recommendations on where to look? Ummm... I don't know what you do or how much money you have, but you better have sacks filled with it! I was in the same situation about a month ago, the future Mrs.QuikSilver wanted to go look at rings and after looking at the 3-4 kt ones, it seemed more likely that a ~2-2.5kt is the way to go (still $25,000) and the extra money can be put towards something else.... A 4 kt diamond is over $50,000 even if its just a total weight measured one. For a 4 kt single diamond expect to pay over $100,000 for one. Of course these prices are for really nice diamonds...you can get a 1 kt for less than a grand if you don't mind clouds, wrongs cuts, stress fractures and yellowish tints in it. Choose wisely Danielson..... |
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Posted: 11/29/2002 8:40:09 AM EDT
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The price of diamonds are controlled by deBeers and deBeers only. A monopoly. A diamond is a rock. How much do you think a rock is worth? Thousands of dollars? Throw money out the window of your car at 60 miles an hour...makes more sense.....your wife will lose it anyway....ask me how I know...I've spent thousands on rocks for two wives....they both lost every piece of jewelry I bought them....why bother throw it out the window of your car....[:D]
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Posted: 11/29/2002 8:49:22 AM EDT
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Just got back from the mall. Went with the gf to Sears to get tools. (Bought none)
Since I'll probably be beat into submisison soon, I figured I'd stop at a jeweler or 2 and "just look" to see what she wants... The only thing I could think was, "Wow, I could buy 2 prebans,... Wow, I could buy 15 crates of SA .223 for that,..." I think I'll marry my AR... |
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Posted: 11/29/2002 9:31:41 AM EDT
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Quoted: Just got back from the mall. Went with the gf to Sears to get tools. (Bought none) Since I'll probably be beat into submisison soon, I figured I'd stop at a jeweler or 2 and "just look" to see what she wants... The only thing I could think was, "Wow, I could buy 2 prebans,... Wow, I could buy 15 crates of SA .223 for that,..." I think I'll marry my AR... |
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Posted: 11/29/2002 9:41:48 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: FYI: They are out of equilibrium on the earths surface and break down over time. By her a diamond, go to a jeweler in a year and it will not be the same size/weight. Hmmm.... That's interesting, can you provide me the reference data on your comment, I'd like to study it. . Yeah, me too. I have seen some diamonds that have been in families for generations, wonder if they have shrunk?? |
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Posted: 11/29/2002 9:47:57 AM EDT
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Quoted: .... For a 4 kt single diamond expect to pay over $100,000 for one. .... Choose wisely Danielson..... Holy Crap batman, luckily my wife was reasonable and knew that love is not measured in $$$$ |
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Posted: 11/29/2002 10:05:40 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: FYI: They are out of equilibrium on the earths surface and break down over time. By her a diamond, go to a jeweler in a year and it will not be the same size/weight. Hmmm.... That's interesting, can you provide me the reference data on your comment, I'd like to study it. . Yeah, me too. I have seen some diamonds that have been in families for generations, wonder if they have shrunk?? Must be some kind of Zen Carbon thing. I have a rock fireplace that came out of the earth, but it hasn't started shrinking yet.[rolleyes] |
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Posted: 11/29/2002 10:08:41 AM EDT
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Gotta at least take a look on eBay...I have a friend thats buying a $4k ring for his girlfriend for $700....might wanna just give it a look. Good luck!
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Posted: 11/29/2002 10:12:44 AM EDT
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Try a pawn shop. Since they told my Mom that both her diamonds would only get them $80 or so if they re-sold them.....
Scott |
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Posted: 11/29/2002 12:55:10 PM EDT
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As a good start for looking for info and a quick price gauge use:
[url]www.bluenile.com[/url] Use the loose diamonds or make your own ring links. I picked up a custom made (not from Blue Nile, from Spectrum Gems/Jim Rayburn, Colorado), D color, Internally Flawless, emerald cut ring with twin sapphires for about $5000 less than what it appraised for. And my appraisal was appraising for replacment cost, not true value. I didn't need to know what it was really worth, just needed the cost of replacement for insurance purposes. So the $5000 difference reflected wholesale replacement cost. It was also about $9000 less than a similar ring I saw while in Coronado on vacation. But that ring was an F color and was smaller with lower quality sapphires. You do the math......[:D] Do your homework.....FWIW a good quality 3.91 carat diamond was listed over $40K on Blue Nile. If you want crap, you can get a yellow diamond in that size for a lot less, but diamonds are like good scopes..... Ed |
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Posted: 11/29/2002 1:00:15 PM EDT
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Waiting to hear from our 4ct shopper
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Posted: 11/29/2002 1:02:20 PM EDT
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Diamonds found: 11
Round, 3.5 - 4.05 cts, G color, VS2 clarity, GIA, AGS and EGL certified Please call 1-800-252-1476 about any diamond listed below or email us. Also you can select the checkboxes for up to 5 diamonds and go to inquire form by clicking Request More Info button. # Carat Col Clar Dpt Tab Lab Gdl Cul Sym Pol Flr Measurements Price 3.53 G VS2 59.3% 56% GIA t-mf no gd vg ft 10.07*10.01*5.95 $37418 3.54 G VS2 61.7% 58% GIA tn-m,f no vg vg no 9.75-9.81x6.03 $37524 4 G VS2 60.6% 62% GIA vthn-thk vs gd gd slt 10.14-10.26x6.18 $40958 4 G VS2 63.3% 64% GIA med to thk no gd gd no 9.95-10.08x6.3 $41544 3.84 G VS2 62.5% 57% GIA tn-tk,f no vg vg ft 10.01-10.14x6.30 $41722 3.68 G VS2 60.8% 55% GIA th-mf no ex ex no 10.02-10.04-6.10 $41934 4 G VS2 61.3% 59% GIA no gd vg no 10.2x10.3x6.25 $43604 4.01 G VS2 63% 62% GIA tn-tk f no vg gd no 10.04-10.10x6.34 $43994 4.05 G VS2 62% 63% GIA t no vg vg no 10.13*10.26*6.32 $44424 4.02 G VS2 61% 62% GIA m no vg vg no 10.18*10.30*6.25 $45859 4.01 G VS2 63% 62% GIA thn-thk,f no vg gd no 10.04-10.10x6.34 $49860 |
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Posted: 11/29/2002 3:37:58 PM EDT
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Well I'm back after a fun day at the range.
After looking at some of them prices well... all I got to say is HOLY SHIT! My wife got her ring stolen about 17 years ago and things are going good,but not that good. I was thinking that this was something I could get for around the 8-9 grand area and even that is considered a big chunk of cash for me. Hmmm... no guys this redneck aint got near that kind of money for one of them things. Thanks. Andy |
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Posted: 11/29/2002 4:00:32 PM EDT
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Decide what that top of your budget is for this purchase.
Look for something in that budget that is D E or F color and that is at least 1 carat and that is VS1, VS2, VVS1, VVS2, IF or FL. Start with that criteria in the Blue Nile search engine and see what you come up with. Here's what I found that would interest me with a budget of $8000: They have 11 diamonds around $8K just for the diamond the setting are nominal....but you have 11 diamonds on their database that are VVS2 or higher, D,E,F in color, and right around 1 carat. This would be a VERY nice ring, despite ONLY being around a carat. If you are lost about what I am talking about, you need to do A LOT more homework. IM me and I can put you in touch with a VERY VERY good custom guy in Colorado. Not sure he can do a XMAS turnaround, but you will get a great deal. Ed |
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Posted: 11/29/2002 4:39:49 PM EDT
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Hey guys, yes the prices I quoted were on the high side, but I was assuming it was not a loose diamond and that you wanted a PREMIUM stone. And the even bigger thing I was assuming was you were buying it from a jeweler.
Be VERY careful about buying over the internet. I've seen it before, a great certification for a stone and when it gets to the buyer, its got a cloud in it. Theres no way to assess this without seeing it first hand. Clouds are not "flaws or imperfections" in the true sense of the word because they are naturally occurring things. But they have tremendous affect on the value. Theres no substitute for seeing it first hand before you buy it. And just for a kicker....the ring Ben Affleck bought J-Lo was a 6 kt and he paid $3.2 million for it!!! Of course it was a rare pink diamond, by a famous jeweler and had a couple other nice smaller white diamonds on it, but still.......... Happy hunting.... |
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Posted: 11/29/2002 5:45:51 PM EDT
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I'm with Shivan on this, I bought my wife's ring at BlueNile.com and the service, price and selection was excellent. I bought a classic cut .69ct E color VVS2 stone with perfect cut, polish, and symetry in a 6 prong platinum setting for HALF what I could locally and it appraised for replacement at double what I paid.
Word to the wise when you hit the 1ct mark diamond prices make a BIG jump due to the rareity of stone over that size, to avoid this go with a close to one carat like a .95-.99. She wont know the difference. If she see's the paperwork, just tell her to round up. [:D] Do your homework and learn the basics about diamonds, you and your woman will be much happier. My wife has several friends who have rings 1ct and larger but guess who gets the most comments about her ring? My wife...because a quality diamond will appear larger and to have more brillence than the often more dull lesser quality larger ones. They look even better in white gold or platinum (platinum will tarnish over time but is so much heavier duty and classy looking than yellow gold, bleecckk!) Hope this helped. SorryOccifer Edited for piss poor grammer. I'm sure I still missed some. |
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Posted: 11/29/2002 7:05:52 PM EDT
[#23]
Think - Dupont
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Posted: 11/29/2002 9:28:50 PM EDT
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Thanks for this little chat guys. I just lost a little 20 point diamond out of my college ring and was wondering what it would cost to replace it. Looks like that $62 CZ may be the way to go vs $400+ to replace it.
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Posted: 11/29/2002 11:33:02 PM EDT
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Andy, my wife has a pretty good jeweler she uses. Email me if you want is info, he is in San Carlos.
When I was ready to pop the question my wife had already been "talking" to him so I just called him up and gave him a budget. He found me a .89 carat diamond that was a near perfect princess cut. A good cut is about the most important thing in a diamond. As he was a long time friend of my wife's he actually gave me the diamond at cost, but the custom platinum and gold band was a pretty penny though. The two most important things I got from him though were the importance of cut, and whatever size you get, get the .x9 size of it, because that is where the price jump is, and it is usually a significant jump. Or you can tell your wife that you refuse to support the blood trade that is diamonds. I tried but the wife wouldn't go for it. [:P] |
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Posted: 11/29/2002 11:51:45 PM EDT
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Unless I had connections higher up on the diamond racket's chain, I would never buy one. They are beautiful, but the retail buyer is ripped off so badly, and the business is so closed off from real competition and true market value, the thought of willingly handing over hard-earned money for a diamond sickens me.
I mean, at each stage of the diamond's path to the retail market, it's marked up 100%. And they trade hands at least 3 or 4 times after they're cut and ready to be sold. Not to mention, the supply is restricted by the DeBeers cartel. So no effing way would I buy one. |
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Posted: 11/30/2002 12:03:24 AM EDT
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The only reason to buy diamonds so so your wife won't rag you every day of your stickin' lives. Why the hell else would anyone buy one?
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Posted: 11/30/2002 12:16:59 AM EDT
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For 8-9 grand, you are looking at 1.5 - 1.75 ct nice diamond ring if you shop for it.
Good luck. |
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Posted: 11/30/2002 12:20:57 AM EDT
[#29]
Quoted: The only reason to buy diamonds so so your wife won't rag you every day of your stickin' lives. Why the hell else would anyone buy one? |
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Posted: 11/30/2002 4:29:08 AM EDT
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Great Googley Moogley! I never realized they were THAT expensive. My wife of 13 years told me when I proposed to her that she did NOT want a diamond or an engagement ring. She said a plain white gold band from Service Merchandise was fine with her. We had a small simple ceremony - she got a beautiful $10 white dress from a clearance rack at Kmart, made the cake herself, I made the punch, and got my boss (a Justice of the Peace) to marry us. We've been married for 13 years in January. My sister had a $30,000 wedding and a $12,000 diamond ring. Marriage lasted 1 year. Brother's marriage lasted 2 months after a $10,000 wedding and $6000 ring.
I am amazed at all the advertising that you see around Christmas from Diamond companies - and how sappy they are - they pretty much pound men into submission, and infer that if you REALLY love your wife you'll go out and blow $10,000+ on her for a hunk of metal and a piece of carbon. I'm so damn lucky I have a wife who'd rather me spend money on guns and ammo than jewelry :) |
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Posted: 11/30/2002 5:13:23 AM EDT
[#31]
Wow. I can't even afford a used Ford Taurus.
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Posted: 11/30/2002 5:27:38 AM EDT
[#32]
Quoted: Buy with cut, clarity, and color in mind. AS for carat weight, It's a much better investment to buy a smaller stone with less imperfections.Anytime I see a stone larger than 1 carat, I wonder if it is real, or found on one of those cheesy TV shows!!!!!! I would go with a traditional setting also. Some rings look dated after a few years..... |
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Posted: 11/30/2002 6:07:03 AM EDT
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Quoted: For 8-9 grand, you are looking at 1.5 - 1.75 ct nice diamond ring if you shop for it. Good luck. I guess it depends what you consider "nice". A truly rare, well cut, colorless stone in the $8k-$9K range is about 101 - 105 points or 1.01 to 1.05 carats. I could have gotten something for my fiance that was of a lower quality (esp. clarity) and she would have never known the difference, BUT I went for the best color and clarity available in my budget. It happened to net me a D color, internally flawless rock that is spectacular. Ed |
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Posted: 11/30/2002 8:31:26 AM EDT
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Now that we've nailed down your budget(size of the ring)...lets talk cut! Do you happen to know what type of cut she wants? IF neither of you do, do you know what you want the diamond to look like in your mind??
The reason I ask is because a Modern Round Brillant cut will sparkle all day long, if thats what you/she wants......Getting a Princess is the exact opposite, it will still sparkle, but its more for looking into the diamond. If shes dead set on a square cut (Princess) but really wants it to sparkle, they do have a cut for that but I can't remember what in the heack its call! Anyways if we get you far enough along...anybody in for a LEGP diamond ring purchase [:D] |
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Posted: 11/30/2002 9:20:38 AM EDT
[#35]
Quoted: If shes dead set on a square cut (Princess) but really wants it to sparkle, they do have a cut for that but I can't remember what in the heack its call![:D] Radiant, some call it a Radiance cut....either way it a square with the corners off a bit....makes it an 8 sided diamond. A round diamond is the only cut that most will consider to be able to attain a "perfect", "ideal", etc status. Ed |
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Posted: 11/30/2002 9:41:10 AM EDT
[#36]
Quoted: I think I'm gonna kick down and buy the wife a ring for Christmas. I know they mark up the living shit out of diamonds and it's in my nature to buy things at cost plus a minimun. I'd like to get her something in the 4ct range and I know it's going to cost alot but if I can trim a good percentage off of it I could possibly also get me another toy that goes bang. Any recommendations on where to look? What you want to do is go to diamond broker or wholesaler. A lot of time these guys will sell to you even if you don't have a tax number, but they don't make a habbit out of it. Thats because the retialers are more than likely selling his diamonds on account. If you get into one you can expect to pay 50-60% less than retail. The value of diamond is mostly a lot of hype. That $900.00 diamond ring you bought for your engagement is worth aprox. $150.00 resale. |
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Posted: 11/30/2002 10:13:50 AM EDT
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Three years ago I decided to get my wife a new ring for Christmas. I had about 3K to spend on one. I went to the bank and got the 3K out in $100 bills.
I went to the jewelry store on Christmas eve and found a real nice diamond ring that had a price of $2999. I told the clerk I was very interested but could he come down on the price? He went and made a phone call and came back and said he could come down to $2900. I had put the bills in different pockets. I took out 2K and counted out the bills in front of him on the counter. I went to another pocket and pulled out 3 more bills and laid it out on the counter. I told him that was all the money I had. He kept looking down at the bills. He went and made another call and came back and said he could go down to 2.5K. I said sorry but this is all I have and started to pick up the bills. He said said excuse me and left again. He came back and said OK I can have it for 2.3K. He then added the State tax on it. I said all I have is the $2300. He finally said "OK I'll absorb the tax". The point of sharing this with you is to illustrate the amount of markup in the diamond business. He still made money by discounting the ring by about 25%. If I had been tough I probably could have got a 30-35% discount. |
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Posted: 11/30/2002 10:18:26 AM EDT
[#38]
Quoted: The value of diamond is mostly a lot of hype. That $900.00 diamond ring you bought for your engagement is worth aprox. $150.00 [red]resale[/red]. Did you mean $150 wholesale? Resale would be dictated by market price and market price for a $900 ring whenever you bought it, say 10 years ago, will definitely be more today. Diamond prices almost NEVER go down....unless it is a crappy diamond. Ed |
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Posted: 11/30/2002 10:31:15 AM EDT
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I bought my wife a ring set from [url=www.tiffanys.com] Tiffany's[/url]. There is something to be said about the old saying "the difference between men/women and boys/girls is the price of their toys." I would recommend that you take her over to Tiffany's and let her browse and have her select the ring to her preference. Like guns, half the fun is in the shopping, and it would be really romantic for her. Over the past 20 years I've accumulated more toys than she has. Good Luck!
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Posted: 11/30/2002 11:54:42 AM EDT
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I got about half back on the engagement ring I bought for the ex, but it was on consignment for almost a year.
It was good to be rid of it and her. Can a diamond save your ass? Better to get her into shooting and/or hunting buy her a nice USP, post-ban, elk hunt or something. If you can't let go of the idea of a stone, why not look at rubies and emeralds? |
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Posted: 11/30/2002 2:55:05 PM EDT
[#41]
Quoted: Quoted: The only reason to buy diamonds so so your wife won't rag you every day of your stickin' lives. Why the hell else would anyone buy one? Are you married? The only diamonds I ever bought were part of the wedding set and that was only because she wanted it. I would have chosen emeralds myself as they actually are valuable. |
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Posted: 11/30/2002 3:09:54 PM EDT
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Diamonds are great in cutting & grinding applications. As decoration they are hype. Buy her a nice Cubic Zirconium and do something worthwhile with the cash!
Buying the things is just a start. Then comes insurance, safe place to store it and the HUGE risk some idiot is willing to KILL her to get it or at least whack off her finger. Makes no sense to me at all; but do what your heart tells you - your head knows better! |
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Posted: 12/1/2002 8:12:45 AM EDT
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Bought the wife an engagement ring a little over a carat set in a channel setting, round brilliant cut stone. For her wedding band I bought a band with 5 diamonds, TCW of wedding band was a little over a carat. They look really nice together. Remember to take out a separate insurance policy on the set. I pay about $76.00 a year for about $6,000 in coverage. This includes loss/theft. Also keep your appraisal in a safe place. Get the rings cleaned/prongs checked once a year. They'll do it free where you bought them. Buy a smaller better stone in a traditional setting, you'll be happier 20 years from now........PS don't be cheap, get off your wallet. If not, her girlfriends and family will make snide comments behind her back!!!!!!!!
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Posted: 12/2/2002 8:59:45 AM EDT
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Quoted: PS don't be cheap, get off your wallet. If not, her girlfriends and family will make snide comments behind her back!!!!!!!! Unfortunately this seems to be the case with 95% of women, and the whole thing is really making me sick right now. My girlfriend is also in the market for a diamond ring financed by me. The way the sorry cunts at the store behave, and the bullshit strain that this is putting on our relationship has me so pissed off right now I get headaches when I think about it. The capper is that she won't even look for quality, all she wants is a bigger rock for the same money, even if its as yellow as a lemon and has a crack in it from top to bottom. |
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Posted: 12/2/2002 9:04:57 AM EDT
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Remember too that until the first half of this century, some other stone, I believe it was the garnet, was the traditional wedding stone in America. It was those rat bastard monopolists at DeBeers that started this whole "if he really loved you wouldn't he buy you the most expensive rock on the planet?" bullshit.
I remember a few years ago, after the collapse of the USSR, the new Russian govt. was/is sitting on millions of diamonds. My understanding is that the USSR had a contract with DeBeers to distribute the diamonds, and the new govt. was thinking of breaking that agreement. If they had, the market would have been flooded, there would have been competition in the marketplace, and the diamond market would have crashed. I wish so badly that had happened, so that none of us would ever have to go through this bullshit again. |
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Posted: 12/2/2002 9:07:02 AM EDT
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Now that I've had my rants, is clarity a measure of the clouds?
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Posted: 12/2/2002 9:24:55 AM EDT
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When I was shopping around for diamonds for my now wife's engagement ring I found that Van-Daaz had about as close to wholesale on loose diamonds as you are going to find. Most of the online sources have a searchable database of diamonds to choose from. You enter your parameters, ct. wt., cut, shape, color, clarity, price and it lists the diamonds available. I found that a lot of these places must use the same inventory of stones because I would find the same ones listed at different places but at different prices. Van-Daaz had significantly lower prices than Blue Nile or any of the other sources I looked at for the same exact stones. They also provide excellent customer service. I highly recommend them. Maria Costa is the lady I worked with a few years ago. I'd try them if I was in the market again, for sure. Good luck.
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Posted: 12/2/2002 9:27:06 AM EDT
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No, clarity is also measured in the number and size of inclusions, they lok like specks of "stuff" in the diamond.
Dont do the woman thing and buy based on emotion, use your head and buy QUALITY over quantity. Get it through to her that it is meant to be a symbol of love NOT how much you love and is not ment for bragging rights. It's your money, your decision. Either way women should be thankfull men give a shit enough to spend the money. If she insists, then tell her it will be your turn to buy the next impractal waste of cash that suits your fancy. SorryOciffer |
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Posted: 12/2/2002 9:28:10 AM EDT
[#49]
Edited because I just remembered I still had the ring, and put it in the equipment exchange.
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Posted: 12/2/2002 9:39:12 AM EDT
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May I suggest a pearl necklace instead. [:D]
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