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9/23/2020 3:47:02 PM
Posted: 6/20/2011 7:54:49 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/20/2011 7:59:06 PM EDT
"none of ya... BULLSHIT... fucking lying right now"
Link Posted: 6/20/2011 7:59:16 PM EDT
Sounds like he is sick of this bullshit "war on terror"
Link Posted: 6/20/2011 8:01:50 PM EDT
Old video is old.
Link Posted: 6/20/2011 8:03:16 PM EDT




Originally Posted By jered1321:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9a5fQZLieNc





Winning hearts and minds...

Link Posted: 6/20/2011 8:03:23 PM EDT



Originally Posted By DaBeamz:


Sounds like he is sick of this bullshit "war on terror"


No, he's sick of idiot IPs that were too afraid to do their job and/or being part time fighters for Sadr.



 
Link Posted: 6/20/2011 8:05:17 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/20/2011 8:10:26 PM EDT
This style might work on American teenagers... kinda.

Probably not those guys, though.
Link Posted: 6/20/2011 8:31:24 PM EDT
probably not translated verbaetm.
Link Posted: 6/20/2011 8:38:38 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Urimaginaryfrnd:
probably not translated verbaetm.


exactly what i was thinking.  "he says he wants you mother fornicators to fornicating stop acting like little girls!!!"  take that!
Link Posted: 6/20/2011 8:44:18 PM EDT
In before OP posts the amberlamps video as breaking news.
Link Posted: 6/20/2011 9:51:50 PM EDT
They probably don't give two shits either way.
Link Posted: 6/20/2011 10:02:14 PM EDT
Old vid.  That type of leadership doesn't work in arabic culture.
Link Posted: 6/20/2011 10:18:53 PM EDT
Might be old, but there we're times when I would've loved to see my BC/PL light some of the stupid bastards we had to work with up.
Link Posted: 6/20/2011 10:28:00 PM EDT



Originally Posted By sherrick13:


Old vid.  That type of leadership doesn't work in arabic culture.


What kind does?

 
Link Posted: 6/20/2011 10:40:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/20/2011 10:47:48 PM EDT by sherrick13]




Originally Posted By PatriotAr15:





Originally Posted By sherrick13:

Old vid. That type of leadership doesn't work in arabic culture.


What kind does?




If you aren't part of their tribe or local social structure? Fear and/or bribery.





Embarassing arabic men in public is the worst thing you can do.





Directness is also considered very rude.
We could never do it, but if you wanted those guys loyalty you first make a 'gift' (money) to their families with the promise that more is coming and that you appreciate the job they do as police. Then when one steps out of line you murder him and his whole family and make sure it quietly gets through the grapevine why it happened, but not say it publicly.
Link Posted: 6/20/2011 10:48:20 PM EDT
Originally Posted By sherrick13:

Originally Posted By PatriotAr15:

Originally Posted By sherrick13:
Old vid. That type of leadership doesn't work in arabic culture.

What kind does?


If you aren't part of their tribe or local social structure? Fear or bribery.


Embarassing arabic men in public is the worst thing you can do.


Directness is also considered very rude.



We could never do it, but if you wanted those guys loyalty you first make a 'gift' (money) to their families with the promise that more is coming and that you appreciate the job they do as police. Then when one steps out of line you murder him and his whole family and make sure it quietly gets through the grapevine why it happened, but not say it publicly.


And with that let us wrap up this thread.
Link Posted: 6/20/2011 10:52:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/20/2011 10:55:05 PM EDT by sherrick13]




Originally Posted By cavscouty:



Originally Posted By sherrick13:





Originally Posted By PatriotAr15:





Originally Posted By sherrick13:

Old vid. That type of leadership doesn't work in arabic culture.


What kind does?




If you aren't part of their tribe or local social structure? Fear or bribery.





Embarassing arabic men in public is the worst thing you can do.





Directness is also considered very rude.
We could never do it, but if you wanted those guys loyalty you first make a 'gift' (money) to their families with the promise that more is coming and that you appreciate the job they do as police. Then when one steps out of line you murder him and his whole family and make sure it quietly gets through the grapevine why it happened, but not say it publicly.




And with that let us wrap up this thread.




I'm not saying we should do it. I'm just saying that is way to do it most efficiently. We will have (at best) a low level of violence as long as we stay there, because we don't have the will (our culture does not and should not) to do what it takes to really pacify the place.





BTW, I'm married to a muslim. I'm not saying this because I hate them. I'm saying it because it is the truth.





IMO, we have no business training police over there.  We should have gone in, killed the people that needed to be killed, broke the things that needed to be broken and left.  Maybe keeping a base somewhere and dealing with whatever .gov came into power, if possible.
Link Posted: 6/20/2011 10:54:13 PM EDT



Originally Posted By sherrick13:




BTW, I'm married to a muslim. I'm not saying this because I hate them. I'm saying it because it is the truth.


Did you have to murder your MIL?



 
Link Posted: 6/20/2011 10:55:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/20/2011 10:58:21 PM EDT by sherrick13]




Originally Posted By ElectricSheep556:





Originally Posted By sherrick13:



BTW, I'm married to a muslim. I'm not saying this because I hate them. I'm saying it because it is the truth.


Did you have to murder your MIL?





Muslim != arabic.





She is from Morocco. Different culture than the Middle East.  Although they do have some similarities.  I'm coming along Americanizing her.  (I've adapted to her some as well )  We most definately had some culture clashes at first.
And not every single individual is like that. But the culture in place over there is.
Link Posted: 6/20/2011 11:02:25 PM EDT
Originally Posted By jered1321:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9a5fQZLieNc



"I guarantee you'll get into a gunfight and I guarantee you'll fuck some people up."
Link Posted: 6/21/2011 1:36:12 AM EDT


"I got no problem beating any one of your asses. Not one. Because I don't give a fuck!"




Link Posted: 6/21/2011 2:31:24 AM EDT
He's Army, not USMC.  
Link Posted: 6/21/2011 2:41:39 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/21/2011 8:51:21 PM EDT



Originally Posted By basicAR:


In before OP posts the amberlamps video as breaking news.


I raffed.  Good one...

 
Link Posted: 6/22/2011 5:49:19 AM EDT
I like his motivational style.
Link Posted: 6/22/2011 6:38:57 AM EDT
never seen that one before........
Link Posted: 6/22/2011 7:07:06 AM EDT



Originally Posted By PatriotAr15:





Originally Posted By sherrick13:

Old vid.  That type of leadership doesn't work in arabic culture.


What kind does?  


Meh, abandoning our pride and coming at them as equals/peers has been working for me.  



One of the issues I see is that we automatically assume they are a bunch of incompetent morons.  IMO they are just very under-trained at the soldier level.  The NCOs want to learn but that takes time and their officers entrusting them with responsibility.  



Some of their officers are hit and miss.  Ive seen a CO throw a temper tantrum (jumping up and down screaming) after we re-cocked his company attack.  My counterpart now was an electrical engineer for years, lived in Detroit for a few months, and has traveled the world.  If I treated him like I was better than him simply because I'm an American, our relationship would be terrible.



You guys might get a kick out of this one.  One day one of the instructors (Iraqi) I overwatch pointed to my weapon (M4, Magpul stock and grip, grippod, ACOG, peg 15, etc) and said his is just like it.  Every Iraqi rifle I've seen has been a new M16A2, so I was hesitant to believe him.  He pulled out his phone and showed me pics of his rifle that he had taken.  Sure enough, it looked identical (I presume it was all fake knockoffs).  The one thing he said he couldn't find though was a Pmag...the next day I brought in an extra one of mine to give him.  This was the first Iraqi I've met with BRD.



 
Link Posted: 6/22/2011 7:41:40 AM EDT
And with that let us wrap up this thread.


I agree.  

Oh, and fuck the IPs, I-SWAT, and I-SOF.

Link Posted: 6/22/2011 7:51:58 AM EDT
Originally Posted By bulldog1967:
Old video is old.


this.

Dude did not help the war effort with his little rant, regardless of how true it was.

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