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Posted: 6/29/2015 11:24:54 AM EDT
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Poly cased ammo.
Says at first they were looking for something to satisfy demand during shortages, but instead found the newest AMAZINGWTFBBQ!!!111!!!one!!!11 ammo known to man. Do you even reading bro? |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 11:26:04 AM EDT
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LOL..
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Posted: 6/29/2015 11:26:05 AM EDT
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I'll stick with proven brass cases. They cost less too
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Posted: 6/29/2015 11:27:48 AM EDT
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Looks like the ammo for those blank firing replica guns.
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Posted: 6/29/2015 11:28:07 AM EDT
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Eco-responsible? What bullshit. The can take their cheesy marketing and shove it.
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Posted: 6/29/2015 11:33:38 AM EDT
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Plastic cases, bullets below common weight, reloadable with their proprietary components.
They have some interesting ideas but I predict they'll just be a contender in the "oddball cartridges of the past" thread ten years hence. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 11:36:22 AM EDT
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I'll stick with proven brass cases. They cost less too they have loads that use brass cases and polymer projectiles. Look interesting, but I will wait and see. looks like a good candidate for the Box-o-truth. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 11:46:41 AM EDT
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I want to see terminal performance info on the brass cased epoxy + copper powder blended ammo. Until then; meh.
There is a long article about them in this months Guns N Ammo though. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 11:48:23 AM EDT
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Anyone remember that plastic case .223 from like 10 years ago. The head was still brass, but the rest was plastic.
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Posted: 6/29/2015 11:49:51 AM EDT
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Those are the boolits you use with your ceramic Glock.
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Posted: 6/29/2015 11:50:14 AM EDT
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If I didn't live in AK I would buy a box of 9mm to test 13.50 isn't all that bad. Seems like the perfect ammo to test in an Grenade 17.
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Posted: 6/29/2015 12:00:10 PM EDT
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Anyone remember that plastic case .223 from like 10 years ago. The head was still brass, but the rest was plastic. NATEC. Plastic walled cases with a brass head, standard bullets, primer, powder. IIRC they had problems with case neck tension that were never resolved. These guys are getting around that with a proprietary bullet design to match their cases which is good in terms of addressing NATEC's problem, but opens up it's own can of worms. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 12:01:15 PM EDT
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I want to see terminal performance info on the brass cased epoxy + copper powder blended ammo. Until then; meh. There is a long article about them in this months Guns N Ammo though. How many full page ads did the company need to buy to get that editorial coverage? |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 12:02:00 PM EDT
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I'd give em a whirl just for shits
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Posted: 6/29/2015 12:02:01 PM EDT
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If the price was lower I'd be all over it for practice ammo
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Posted: 6/29/2015 12:04:31 PM EDT
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Kinetic Ammo is lighter and achieves greater levels of obturation while creating less friction. This means that our rounds are screaming fast. How fast? Between 20–110% faster. For example, most traditional factory .38 sp. rounds are lucky to achieve 900 fps. However, our Premium rounds have achieved speeds in excess of 1,500 fps with our Practice rounds pushing over 1,750 fps. Obtaining near rifle speeds out of a pistol or revolver means you can shoot straighter every time. No more holding over and praying you'll hit the target beyond 50 yards. With these speeds, if you don’t hit the mark it’s not our fault! 
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Posted: 6/29/2015 12:05:48 PM EDT
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http://kineticammo.com/ im trying to understand what they are doing here. anyone familiar? Polymer casings; lighter, faster, higher energy rounds; increased penetration; easily reloadable; economical to shoot. Kinetic Munitions is changing everything we know about small arms ammo. Tell the truth, how much did you invest? |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 12:17:36 PM EDT
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High velocity 9mm & .38, but subsonic 55gr .223?
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Posted: 6/29/2015 12:19:10 PM EDT
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NATEC. Plastic walled cases with a brass head, standard bullets, primer, powder. IIRC they had problems with case neck tension that were never resolved. These guys are getting around that with a proprietary bullet design to match their cases which is good in terms of addressing NATEC's problem, but opens up it's own can of worms. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anyone remember that plastic case .223 from like 10 years ago. The head was still brass, but the rest was plastic. NATEC. Plastic walled cases with a brass head, standard bullets, primer, powder. IIRC they had problems with case neck tension that were never resolved. These guys are getting around that with a proprietary bullet design to match their cases which is good in terms of addressing NATEC's problem, but opens up it's own can of worms. still have some 556.... crap stuck in a bush-colt a-2 upper. it was awful. i later read of hapless shooters that tried to run the stuff in guns with fluted chambers. shredded and all jammed up. came in pretty colors tho. 
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Posted: 6/29/2015 12:19:21 PM EDT
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Didn't Henry Bowman kill an ATF bigwig or two with this ammo?
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Posted: 6/29/2015 12:21:21 PM EDT
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*arfcom* FUCK INNOVATION!1!1!1!! *arfcom*
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Posted: 6/29/2015 12:25:52 PM EDT
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Didn't Henry Bowman kill an ATF bigwig or two with this ammo? No, Delrin rod turned on a lathe to make .44 mag projectiles with bullseye powder as propellent. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 12:30:18 PM EDT
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*arfcom* FUCK INNOVATION!1!1!1!! *arfcom* This is exactly the same kind of skepticism the product will face anywhere. If they don't have answers to these questions then they probably don't have a marketable product. NATEC handled themselves admirably even if they never did get things worked out. They listened to their customers, took responsibility for their shortcomings, and even threw in the towel in an honorable fashion. I definitely don't recall them ever trying to shame perspective customers out of perfectly legitimate skepticism. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 12:33:38 PM EDT
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*arfcom* FUCK INNOVATION!1!1!1!! *arfcom* Innovation is awesome. Bullshit advertising claims is significantly less awesome. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 12:34:15 PM EDT
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now the ACTIV shotshells i have are outstanding, i can literally reload a ACTIV with a pocket knife. and the components of course. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 12:37:37 PM EDT
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Anyone remember that plastic case .223 from like 10 years ago. The head was still brass, but the rest was plastic. Yip and it would rip in half too. Bad idea. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 1:47:00 PM EDT
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Innovation is awesome. Bullshit advertising claims is significantly less awesome. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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*arfcom* FUCK INNOVATION!1!1!1!! *arfcom* Innovation is awesome. Bullshit advertising claims is significantly less awesome. Prove them to be bullshit. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 1:48:52 PM EDT
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*arfcom* FUCK INNOVATION!1!1!1!! *arfcom* Innovation is awesome. Bullshit advertising claims is significantly less awesome. Prove them to be bullshit. Unless they improved on the plastics, its already been prove as a big ole FAIL. Many of us tried that type of ammo years ago. http://www.defensereview.com/problems-with-natec-pca-spectrum-polymer-cased-ammo/ |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 1:50:54 PM EDT
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Anyone remember that plastic case .223 from like 10 years ago. The head was still brass, but the rest was plastic. This shit has been tried, repeatedly, and it never goes anywhere. Which is why I have no e expectation of the LSAT actually making it. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 1:52:27 PM EDT
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*arfcom* FUCK INNOVATION!1!1!1!! *arfcom* How about, "we seen this train wreck before." |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 1:53:18 PM EDT
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Prove them to be bullshit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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*arfcom* FUCK INNOVATION!1!1!1!! *arfcom* Innovation is awesome. Bullshit advertising claims is significantly less awesome. Prove them to be bullshit. Experience. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 1:56:33 PM EDT
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Prove them to be bullshit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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*arfcom* FUCK INNOVATION!1!1!1!! *arfcom* Innovation is awesome. Bullshit advertising claims is significantly less awesome. Prove them to be bullshit. The burden of proof is on those making extraordinary claims, not those expressing skepticism. See also: RBCD "blended metal" ammo. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 1:58:47 PM EDT
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http://kineticammo.com/ im trying to understand what they are doing here. anyone familiar? Polymer casings; lighter, faster, higher energy rounds; increased penetration; easily reloadable; economical to shoot. Kinetic Munitions is changing everything we know about small arms ammo. 
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Posted: 6/29/2015 2:15:53 PM EDT
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I made a thread about it in the reloading forum, can't find it now. But apparently this is not a new and innovative idea, it has been tried before.....and failed.
Edit, found it http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_42/444972_Kinetic_Munitions_______New_reloading_system_with_polymer_cases______Thoughts.html |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 2:21:20 PM EDT
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The burden of proof is on those making extraordinary claims, not those expressing skepticism. See also: RCBS "blended metal" ammo. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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*arfcom* FUCK INNOVATION!1!1!1!! *arfcom* Innovation is awesome. Bullshit advertising claims is significantly less awesome. Prove them to be bullshit. The burden of proof is on those making extraordinary claims, not those expressing skepticism. See also: RCBS "blended metal" ammo. thats Le Mas Ltd./RBCD Performance Plus, Inc...
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Posted: 6/29/2015 2:22:41 PM EDT
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Prove them to be bullshit. greater levels of obturation while creating less friction. This means that our rounds are screaming fast. How fast? Between 20–110% faster. The loads also use significantly lighter bullet weights to achieve these velocities.... not exactly mind-bending physics at work. However, our Premium rounds have achieved speeds in excess of 1,500 fps with our Practice rounds pushing over 1,750 fps. But yet the load listed for sale, even with a stupid 105gr bullet, only 1345 FPS (measured at 25 yards for some unknown reason).... |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 2:23:04 PM EDT
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thats Le Mas Ltd./RBCD Performance Plus, Inc... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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*arfcom* FUCK INNOVATION!1!1!1!! *arfcom* Innovation is awesome. Bullshit advertising claims is significantly less awesome. Prove them to be bullshit. The burden of proof is on those making extraordinary claims, not those expressing skepticism. See also: RCBS "blended metal" ammo. thats Le Mas Ltd./RBCD Performance Plus, Inc... Doh! You're right! Changing it... Didn't mean to impugn upon Rockchucker, they're awesome.
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Posted: 6/29/2015 2:24:50 PM EDT
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Anybody ever make carbon fiber 'brass'?
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Posted: 6/29/2015 2:25:33 PM EDT
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Anybody ever make carbon fiber 'brass'? too abrasive.. I thought about it..
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Posted: 6/29/2015 2:25:33 PM EDT
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thats Le Mas Ltd./RBCD Performance Plus, Inc... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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*arfcom* FUCK INNOVATION!1!1!1!! *arfcom* Innovation is awesome. Bullshit advertising claims is significantly less awesome. Prove them to be bullshit. The burden of proof is on those making extraordinary claims, not those expressing skepticism. See also: RCBS "blended metal" ammo. thats Le Mas Ltd./RBCD Performance Plus, Inc... Le Mas, these guys and the G2 RIP ammo morons should get together and make the Uber Bullet to end all bullets. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 2:26:39 PM EDT
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Anybody ever make carbon fiber 'brass'? Cartridges have to be malleable in order to achieve obturation and get a good "seal" between the bullet and the bore. Carbon fiber is pretty much the opposite of that. Honestly, I think caseless ammo is going to be an easier "hurdle" to get over than replacing cartridge cases with something non-metallic (and yet still cost effective). |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 2:33:09 PM EDT
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I will probably buy a box of each to go with the rest of the my "oddball ammunition that never caught on" collection.
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Posted: 6/29/2015 2:34:25 PM EDT
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*arfcom* FUCK INNOVATION!1!1!1!! *arfcom* Innovation is awesome. Bullshit advertising claims is significantly less awesome. Prove them to be bullshit. The burden of proof is on those making extraordinary claims, not those expressing skepticism. See also: RCBS "blended metal" ammo. thats Le Mas Ltd./RBCD Performance Plus, Inc... And there's a reason, if you read DocGKR's writings around the Web, that they and all the execs of them are banned from ever bidding on Federal contracts again. Something about being caught moly-coating other companies' conventional varmint bullets and trying to pass them off as some proprietary design...
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Posted: 6/29/2015 2:36:14 PM EDT
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Watch as we compare our .38 ammunition to some of the fastest and meanest premium . Well that right there says the ammo is mean. The last thing I want is nice ammo . I am buying all they make so my ammo can make you RIP DRT or any other catchy acronym
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Posted: 6/29/2015 5:04:08 PM EDT
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This shit has been tried, repeatedly, and it never goes anywhere. Which is why I have no e expectation of the LSAT actually making it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anyone remember that plastic case .223 from like 10 years ago. The head was still brass, but the rest was plastic. This shit has been tried, repeatedly, and it never goes anywhere. Which is why I have no e expectation of the LSAT actually making it. The big difference with a LSAT round and why I can see that being more successful than this is they designed that round from the ground up to work with a polymer case vs just adding a polymer case to existing rounds. This is shoehorning in a material with different strength and characteristics into a chamber/case design and everything else that is the way it is because it was designed around the characteristics of a metal casing. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 7:31:30 PM EDT
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Well, their .38 Special bullet video is bullshit already.
They shot the 'standard' up high and the metal plate flexed hard, then they shot the 'kinetic' down low where the plate and the boards were all supported better. https://youtu.be/2KII7xEIKC4 Why would anyone waste their money and time to waste our time this way? |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 7:48:12 PM EDT
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The big difference with a LSAT round and why I can see that being more successful than this is they designed that round from the ground up to work with a polymer case vs just adding a polymer case to existing rounds. This is shoehorning in a material with different strength and characteristics into a chamber/case design and everything else that is the way it is because it was designed around the characteristics of a metal casing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anyone remember that plastic case .223 from like 10 years ago. The head was still brass, but the rest was plastic. This shit has been tried, repeatedly, and it never goes anywhere. Which is why I have no e expectation of the LSAT actually making it. The big difference with a LSAT round and why I can see that being more successful than this is they designed that round from the ground up to work with a polymer case vs just adding a polymer case to existing rounds. This is shoehorning in a material with different strength and characteristics into a chamber/case design and everything else that is the way it is because it was designed around the characteristics of a metal casing. Right. Polymer and brass have very different properties, and require design changes to play to the strengths of either. |
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