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Posted: 8/11/2005 1:48:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/11/2005 1:54:37 PM EDT by 22bad]
'Muslims not helping cops'
11/08/2005 07:57 - (SA)
www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_1752337,00.html
London - Muslims in Britain are not helping police weed out radical preachers promoting militancy and youngsters vulnerable to their extremism, Britain's top Muslim police officer told a newspaper.

Tarique Ghaffur, assistant commissioner of London's Metropolitan Police, told Thursday's Financial Times it could take "several years" for Muslim communities to participate in wider British society.

Ghaffur is responsible for community policing in the British capital, which was hit by four suicide bombers on July 7 who killed 52 innocent people, along with themselves, on the transport network.

The Met Police cover greater London and double as Britain's lead anti-terrorist force.

Following the July 7 blasts, Met commissioner Ian Blair called on Muslims in Britain to "find ways of identifying those preachers of hate and who they're talking to."

Ghaffur told the FT: "It isn't happening".

He said communities were unaware how to help the police, were in retreat from the "hostile" public reaction to the bombings and were unable to distinguish "the tipping point between right and wrong where hate becomes a criminal offence."

Ghaffur told the business daily he wanted mosques to become the focal point of local communities, but he was not averse to clamping down on "back-street mosques" if they proved to be centres of fomenting subversion.

He said mosques were magnets for communities in London with no ties to British society.

"The Somali community, frankly they have got no established roots, no sense of citizenship, no active youth diversion," he said.

Yasin Hassan Omar, suspected of attempting to blow up a subway train in the failed July 21 repeat attack on London, was Somali-born.

Ghaffur said gaining understanding between the police and Muslim communities could take years.

"The reason is I don't think we?ve ever really reached out to these communities, to engage them previously. They are retreating into themselves in the face of hysterical and hostile public reaction, which has stigmatised communities.

"Many Muslims are proud to be British but many Muslims don't know how to deal with perceptions and procedures."
Link Posted: 8/11/2005 2:32:10 PM EDT

He said communities were unaware how to help the police, were in retreat from the "hostile" public reaction to the bombings and were unable to distinguish "the tipping point between right and wrong where hate becomes a criminal offence."


They should use the same standard that they use when they claim hate speach is directed towards muslims
Link Posted: 8/11/2005 2:40:09 PM EDT
They came to Britain for a better life but it's going in the shitter cause they can't or won't cooperate to fix the problem.

Hey, maybe "hell" in Britain is still substantially better than Morocco or Egypt.
Link Posted: 8/11/2005 2:41:26 PM EDT
Shocking.
Link Posted: 8/11/2005 2:54:33 PM EDT
It is not that they won't cooperate, its just that they don't know how................
Link Posted: 8/11/2005 2:57:57 PM EDT
Would deportation be too practical?
Link Posted: 8/11/2005 2:58:08 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/11/2005 3:00:53 PM EDT
Well no shit.
Link Posted: 8/11/2005 3:10:29 PM EDT
Is anybody actually surprised by this? Did people actually think the ROP would jump up and take sides with the non-believers, against fellow muslims?????
Link Posted: 8/11/2005 3:14:09 PM EDT
excuses, excuses, excuses....and I call bullshit on the Muslims. They seem to know how to put together a riot or demonstration quickly enough.
Link Posted: 8/11/2005 3:15:42 PM EDT
Britain should cut off WELFARE payments to Muslims. That'll take care of the riff-raff.
Link Posted: 8/11/2005 3:28:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By lippo:

What police are hearing on their terrorist hotline



I had a feeling that was going to be crickets, thanks for the laugh



Another measure considered was the need for anyone in the Muslim community with suspicions that extremists were moving into an area to inform police. But Sir Iqbal stopped short of supporting a Muslim hotline for people to phone if they had suspicions of extremist activities in an area. The idea was floated by Sir Ian Blair, the commissioner of the Metropolitan police. Sir Iqbal said Muslims had no more responsibility for informing on criminal activity than anyone else.

Sir Iqbal told members of Leeds Grand Central mosque it was not up to the community to act as police and intelligence officers. "The imams, the community leaders, are not the police. It is not for us to police or to provide intelligence."



This is the first time I have seen the number "contact their anti-terrorist hotline on 0800 789 321"
(it only says to call if you have info about the failed bombings)

and who is this Sir Iqbal Sacranie, Trustee of Muslim Aid and Secretary General of the Muslim Council of Britain
why, he is the leader of this organization
www.mcb.org.uk/e54.html
here is a quote from them.......
Hostages

The recent spate of horrific kidnappings and savage beheading of hostages in Iraq has vindicated the well considered view that the continued presence of foreign troops in Iraq and aerial bombings of its cities and villages will engender more violent reaction and human suffering of incalculable proportions. Recent reports indicate that over 100,000 Iraqis are estimated to have died since the start of the war in Iraq. The MCB reaffirms its call for the withdrawal of all foreign forces from Iraq and the restoration of its people's sovereign right to rule themselves.
Link Posted: 8/11/2005 4:35:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By KlubMarcus:
Britain should cut off WELFARE payments to Muslims. That'll take care of the riff-raff.



[liberal]Oh no, that would only play into the hands of the terrorists by further isolating the good muslims[/liberal]
Link Posted: 8/11/2005 4:38:53 PM EDT
Wow, criminals dont turn themselves into the police.....theres a new one.

There is no point in even arguing about it.
The solution exists....and it will never be implemented.

Political correctness will be the final nail in the coffin that seals the fate of our society.
Take your last breath while you still can.
Link Posted: 8/11/2005 5:09:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By macro:
Wow, criminals dont turn themselves into the police.....theres a new one.



Just trying to give the benefit of the doubt to the people that say it is only the 1% that have
hijacked the muslim religion and caused it to be misinterpreted as a terrorist stronghold
Link Posted: 8/11/2005 6:15:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 22bad:

Originally Posted By macro:
Wow, criminals dont turn themselves into the police.....theres a new one.



Just trying to give the benefit of the doubt to the people that say it is only the 1% that have
hijacked the muslim religion and caused it to be misinterpreted as a terrorist stronghold




Oops, sorry about that....what I meant to say was, its oppressive how those self righteous police expect people to help in an investigation simply because of their religious beliefs. if anything, muslims should defy the police for harrassing them and profiling them in the first place. Damn JBT and their Christian objectives....how dare they challenge an oppressed people.

Maybe if the US would stop weakening the UN's authority, there would be peace already.
This is all Bush's fault.



Link Posted: 8/11/2005 6:22:09 PM EDT
you see, that just burns me up. take take but dont give. if people live in a country, they should support it. i dont kow, maybe i need sensitivity training or something.
Link Posted: 8/11/2005 6:24:57 PM EDT

Originally Posted By macro:

Originally Posted By 22bad:

Originally Posted By macro:
Wow, criminals dont turn themselves into the police.....theres a new one.



Just trying to give the benefit of the doubt to the people that say it is only the 1% that have
hijacked the muslim religion and caused it to be misinterpreted as a terrorist stronghold


Oops, sorry about that....what I meant to say was, its oppressive how those self righteous police expect people to help in an investigation simply because of their religious beliefs. if anything, muslims should defy the police for harrassing them and profiling them in the first place. Damn JBT and their Christian objectives....how dare they challenge an oppressed people.

Maybe if the US would stop weakening the UN's authority, there would be peace already.
This is all Bush's fault.




A new alliance between the aclu and the un would be able to solve everything
(unaclu or acluun)

Link Posted: 8/11/2005 6:26:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By nightstalker:
They came to Britain for a better lifeas many free handouts as they could get but it's going in the shitter cause they can't or won't cooperate to fix the problem.

Hey, maybe "hell" in Britain is still substantially better than Morocco or Egypt.



fixed it for ya.
Link Posted: 8/11/2005 6:28:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By R0ME0:
you see, that just burns me up. take take but dont give. if people live in a country, they should support it. i dont kow, maybe i need sensitivity training or something.



yeah, you're kind of coming off like a racist cracker I suggest taking a couple of race relations classes at your local public university.
Link Posted: 8/11/2005 6:38:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 22bad:

A new alliance between the aclu and the un would be able to solve everything
(unaclu or acluun)




I was actually going to say that
Perhaps a GCLC (Global Civial Liberties Coalition)
While we are being honest, we might as well just admit that the true root cause of all the problems in the world is capitalism. If people would simply admit that socialism would save us, we could finally live in peace, like the French.


Either that, or summary executions for infidels....I cant decide

Link Posted: 8/11/2005 6:41:48 PM EDT
They go or we go.

It's pretty fucking simple.

There is no grey area here.

They don't want diversity.

They don't want peaceful co-existance.

They want everything and everyone that is not a devout Muslim to die.
Link Posted: 8/11/2005 6:45:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By lippo:

What police are hearing on their terrorist hotline



He can dial a phone?

That's one talented cricket.
Link Posted: 8/11/2005 6:52:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/11/2005 6:53:00 PM EDT by 22bad]

Originally Posted By macro:

Originally Posted By 22bad:

A new alliance between the aclu and the un would be able to solve everything
(unaclu or acluun)



I was actually going to say that
Perhaps a GCLC (Global Civial Liberties Coalition)
While we are being honest, we might as well just admit that the true root cause of all the problems in the world is capitalism. If people would simply admit that socialism would save us, we could finally live in peace, like the French.


Either that, or summary executions for infidels....I cant decide



liberal muslim socialists................naaaa, don't like the sound of that
Link Posted: 8/11/2005 7:00:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By sysop:
They go or we go.

It's pretty fucking simple.

There is no grey area here.

They don't want diversity.

They don't want peaceful co-existance.

They want everything and everyone that is not a devout Muslim to die. (or be slaves)



+1
I guess most people just can't believe any group of people could\would be so completely uncivilized\barbaric............
Link Posted: 8/11/2005 7:09:35 PM EDT
The extremists - do the terrorist acts
The moderates - keep their mouth shut
Link Posted: 8/11/2005 7:12:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/11/2005 7:12:53 PM EDT by Schulze]

Originally Posted By jkstexas2001:
The extremists - do the terrorist acts
The moderates - keep their mouth shut and send money



As owner of Page 2, let me welcome ya'll.
Link Posted: 8/11/2005 7:16:16 PM EDT
Looks like this guy did not get the "religion of peace" memo

Suicide bomb outburst
By DAVID WOODING
Whitehall editor
www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005370156,00.html
A BRITISH Muslim extremist sparked outrage yesterday by boasting he would be proud to become a suicide bomber.

Preacher of hate Hassan Butt said there is no greater honour than to blow up innocent people for the sake of his religion.

Butt, 25 — who has helped to recruit British Muslims to fight for the Taliban in Afghanistan — said: “I feel absolutely nothing for this country.

“If someone attacks the British people I have no problem with that. My allegiance is to Allah.”

Jobless Butt spreads his gospel of evil among young Muslims at a gym near his Manchester home.

His outburst will heap extra pressure on Tony Blair to deliver on his pledge to boot out preachers of hate.

Butt told Prospect magazine that thousands of British Muslims were “over the moon” about the September 11 attacks.

He ranted on: “If someone wants to go into military action, I would encourage them. For me, there is nothing bigger than somebody who goes out there and kills for the sake of Allah or is killed for the sake of Allah.”

Butt — who was talking before the 7/7 London bombings — also urged Muslims to exploit Britain’s “lax” immigration rules to wage jihad.

Shadow defence minister Gerald Howarth called for him to be charged over the outburst.
Link Posted: 8/11/2005 7:53:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 22bad:
Looks like this guy did not get the "religion of peace" memo

Suicide bomb outburst
By DAVID WOODING
Whitehall editor
www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005370156,00.html
A BRITISH Muslim extremist sparked outrage yesterday by boasting he would be proud to become a suicide bomber.

Preacher of hate Hassan Butt said there is no greater honour than to blow up innocent people for the sake of his religion.

Butt, 25 — who has helped to recruit British Muslims to fight for the Taliban in Afghanistan — said: “I feel absolutely nothing for this country.

“If someone attacks the British people I have no problem with that. My allegiance is to Allah.”

Jobless Butt spreads his gospel of evil among young Muslims at a gym near his Manchester home.

His outburst will heap extra pressure on Tony Blair to deliver on his pledge to boot out preachers of hate.

Butt told Prospect magazine that thousands of British Muslims were “over the moon” about the September 11 attacks.

He ranted on: “If someone wants to go into military action, I would encourage them. For me, there is nothing bigger than somebody who goes out there and kills for the sake of Allah or is killed for the sake of Allah.”

Butt — who was talking before the 7/7 London bombings — also urged Muslims to exploit Britain’s “lax” immigration rules to wage jihad.

Shadow defence minister Gerald Howarth called for him to be charged over the outburst.



Hassan Butt's brother Hairy Butt silently concurred.
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