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Posted: 10/24/2016 12:31:48 PM EDT
'Microstamping' technology could help police crack down on gun crimes — if the gun lobby allows it

When someone shoots up a neighborhood with a semiautomatic weapon, the shooter usually leaves evidence behind — not only the bullets fired, but also the spent casings ejected from the gun as a fresh round loads. Ballistics experts can match distinctive marks the firing process leaves on the bullets and the casings against fresh samples fired from a gun that investigators believe may have been used in the crime. But first, of course, they must have the gun.

But there’s another technological solution that can help investigators connect spent casings to the gun that fired them: microstamping, a process in which a gun’s firing pin and what’s known as its breech face stamp an identifying code on the casing as the gun is fired. And under the California Crime Gun Identification Act, a 2007 state law that finally went into effect in 2013, all new semiautomatic handguns sold in California must be equipped with microstamping technology so that recovered casings can be traced to the gun’s last recorded buyer through the state’s database of gun sales.

That doesn’t necessarily mean the gun buyer was the shooter, of course, but it gives investigators a trail to pursue. And it also makes it easier for investigators to link casings from different crime scenes to the same gun, discerning patterns and connections that might otherwise be missed.

But only California requires microstamping technology today, which has led gun manufacturers to simply stop selling new semiautomatic handgun models in the state. That has effectively negated California’s law; according to the state Attorney General’s office, there are no new models with microstamping technology on its list of handguns certified as safe for sale. Clearly, a nationwide requirement is needed to compel gun makers to adopt the identifying technology. U.S. Rep. Xavier Becerra (D-Los Angeles) and Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.) proposed just such a law in 2008, but the measure died in committee.
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When NY, Maryland and Connecticut take a pass of "microstamping" after it failed miserably......you know this is totally as the flag poles state!!

Link Posted: 10/24/2016 12:35:33 PM EDT
Do these retards not realize you can replace firing pins?
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 12:37:03 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 12:41:17 PM EDT
That only works if the gun was not stolen to start with.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 12:42:15 PM EDT

There is a whole host of reasons why micro-stamping will not work and everyone knows it.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 12:43:29 PM EDT
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There is a whole host of reasons why micro-stamping will not work and everyone knows it.
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Not democrats.
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When NY even realizes what a waste of money it was and gets rid of it, you know it's a bad idea.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 12:44:45 PM EDT
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Not democrats.
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Originally Posted By Taft:

There is a whole host of reasons why micro-stamping will not work and everyone knows it.


Not democrats.


They do know, and they do not care. There is a difference.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 12:45:27 PM EDT
NY will be the first to get it
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 12:46:17 PM EDT
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But it will 'work" in discouraging some firearms manufacurers from selling in CA and NY. You think Wilson combat is going to make NY and CA specific 1911s with microstamping?
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Originally Posted By Aimless:
Originally Posted By Taft:

There is a whole host of reasons why micro-stamping will not work and everyone knows it.
But it will 'work" in discouraging some firearms manufacurers from selling in CA and NY. You think Wilson combat is going to make NY and CA specific 1911s with microstamping?


ALL manufacturers need to pull their contracts with State and Local Law Enforcement agencies in any State that requires stupid shit like microstamping or biometric "smart" guns.
I know the good LEO's on here will disagree with that, but it's the only way to get these stupid legislatures to shut the fuck up about it.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 12:52:55 PM EDT
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But it will 'work" in discouraging some firearms manufacurers from selling in CA and NY. You think Wilson combat is going to make NY and CA specific 1911s with microstamping?
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Originally Posted By Aimless:
Originally Posted By Taft:

There is a whole host of reasons why micro-stamping will not work and everyone knows it.
But it will 'work" in discouraging some firearms manufacurers from selling in CA and NY. You think Wilson combat is going to make NY and CA specific 1911s with microstamping?


Your right about the unintended consequences.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 12:54:08 PM EDT
So... Devils advocate time.

Let's say microstamping actually works.

How long will it last on the firing pin before it is just a normal dimple?
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 12:59:05 PM EDT
Suppose the bullets and spent casings could be 100% tracked. You'd still have to prove who was in possession of the gun and ammo when it was fired during the crime. Juries love smoking guns with the defendants fingerprints all over them and bullets with matching ballistics pulled out of the victim. How often do they get that whole puzzle? Probably near never. Now micro stamp it. You can prove who purchased the ammo or gun yesterday, last week or ten years ago and that's about it. Where's the gun now? Probably at the dump, in the river or sold to some idiot for twenty bucks, it might even turn up in some amnesty buy back.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 1:00:35 PM EDT
How exactly is one supposed to buy spare parts? Or will that be illegal?

Every criminal will simply file down that firing pin, yo.

So who's going to start collecting fired brass from ranges to scatter randomly for lulz or to purposely contaminate a crime scene?
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 1:01:50 PM EDT
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Why don't they just put micro chips in bullets ?

Or......they could just make a law making it illegal to shoot people.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 1:02:17 PM EDT
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I reload. what are the odds theta the stamping will line up exactly each time?

I wonder how that screws it up?
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 1:02:56 PM EDT
Doesn't CA already have the microstamping requirement?
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 1:03:14 PM EDT
Easy way to frame someone. Just steal their firing pin and unsteal it after criminal act.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 1:04:15 PM EDT



And this PREVENTS the crime how?



Link Posted: 10/24/2016 1:07:36 PM EDT
We should just make it illegal to shoot people.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 1:09:46 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Xepho:
So... Devils advocate time.

Let's say microstamping actually works.

How long will it last on the firing pin before it is just a normal dimple?
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Gives a reason for "progressive" states to start a whole scheme of gun inspections. Just like having your car inspected, every year or two you will have to bring your guns to (somewhere) for inspection.
Complete with hefty fees and bureaucracy.

The real goal of microstamping and smart gun laws are to slow and eventually stop the sale of all handguns.
It is working quite well in California.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 1:14:12 PM EDT
They need to try and fail to further push bans. Everything is a calculated step towards registration and confiscation.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 1:15:06 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Taft:

There is a whole host of reasons why micro-stamping will not work and everyone knows it.
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It works great. If your goal is to slowly stop guns being available by means of increasingly overburdening manufacturers with bullshit regulations.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 1:16:34 PM EDT
Bring it. I scavenge brass at the popo' s range so I can leave it behind at crime scenes.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 1:18:26 PM EDT
No one is going to sell guns with microstamping, because it's a scam. It's owned by 1 company, and the inventor has been going state to state trying to convince legislatures it's a good idea. They like to use the wording from a 2008 study done by UC Davis in 2008. From the summary:
When the trigger is pulled, the firing pin strikes the softer primer portion of the cartridge case in a center fire firearm cartridge or the rim of a rimfire caliber cartridge depending on the type of firearm in question. This process stamps the laser-machined code into the primer or rim of the cartridge case. In principle, the code impressed on the spent cartridge case could be looked up in a database and matched to a specific firearm, considerably facilitating the work of forensic science or police investigators.
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But what they skip is the summary conclusion which states:
At the present time, therefore, because its forensic potential has yet to be fully assessed, a mandate for the implementation of this technology in all new semiautomatic handguns sold in the state of California is counter-indicated. We specifically propose further research on alpha-numeric serial numbers on firearms mostly in gang related shootings, suitability of such alpha-numeric imprint on fired cartridge
case areas other than the soft primer area, realistic and accurate production cost estimates for such micro-engraving and a evaluation as to what percent of gang related shooting could realistically be solved by such technology given current gang firearms usage.
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Here's the link to the study btw. http://www.firearmsid.com/pdfs/microserialnumber.pdf
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 1:27:35 PM EDT

I wouldn't leave my range with brass unaccounted for.

Most likely the truth to the reason of this legislation is not to implement a technology to aid in fighting crime, it is to implement a non viable technology to keep guns from being sold in California via their approved gun list. I'm sure other left/democratic ran states are watching Ca. success in. Eventually they will not have any guns on their special approved roster.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 1:28:51 PM EDT
Revolver.
Idiots.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 1:32:35 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Taft:

There is a whole host of reasons why micro-stamping will not work and everyone knows it.
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There is an entire universe of ignorant "everyones" who will believe everything the media tells them without questioning or attempting to educate themselves on the topic.

We are few in number. They are multiplying unchecked.

At this point, progressive liberals control the media, manipulate content and distribute misinformation and disinformation to influence and direct that public opinion very successfully.

They are relentless.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 1:35:19 PM EDT
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Everyone with both oars in the water, you mean. You would think you could just point to the insanely expensive failure of Maryland's fired case database as proof that this kind of asinine shit doesn't work.

The country is being run by retards and criminals because everyone with a useful skill and an ethical moral code is earning their living honestly.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 2:14:07 PM EDT
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Not democrats.
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Originally Posted By efpeter:
Originally Posted By Taft:

There is a whole host of reasons why micro-stamping will not work and everyone knows it.



Not democrats.


They know, too. They just want registration schemes.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 2:21:03 PM EDT
They can suck a fart out of my ass. It will have about the same effect.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 2:29:57 PM EDT
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Everyone with both oars in the water, you mean. You would think you could just point to the insanely expensive failure of Maryland's fired case database as proof that this kind of asinine shit doesn't work.

The country is being run by retards and criminals because everyone with a useful skill and an ethical moral code is earning their living honestly.
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Originally Posted By ceetee:
Originally Posted By Taft:

There is a whole host of reasons why micro-stamping will not work and everyone knows it.



Everyone with both oars in the water, you mean. You would think you could just point to the insanely expensive failure of Maryland's fired case database as proof that this kind of asinine shit doesn't work.

The country is being run by retards and criminals because everyone with a useful skill and an ethical moral code is earning their living honestly.


And microstamping is so stupid even Maryland decided against it!
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 2:31:29 PM EDT
No, it couldn't.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 2:37:44 PM EDT
Never been done before...oh wait, yes it has and they never used the info to solve one crime.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 2:38:21 PM EDT
Yeah microstamping will work great in the ghettos of major cities where handguns with multiple bodies on them are passed around so much that the problem ceases to be proving which gun was used but proving which felon was holding the gun at each specific murder it was used in.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 2:45:51 PM EDT
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Your right about the unintended consequences.
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Originally Posted By Taft:
Originally Posted By Aimless:
Originally Posted By Taft:

There is a whole host of reasons why micro-stamping will not work and everyone knows it.
But it will 'work" in discouraging some firearms manufacurers from selling in CA and NY. You think Wilson combat is going to make NY and CA specific 1911s with microstamping?


Your right about the unintended consequences.


As the Penguin pointed out below, that consequence isn't unintended... to the leftists it's a bonus side effect. Heck, it might even be the main purpose.

They KNOW it won't solve or stop any crimes, but they also KNOW it will slow / stop sales of new firearms... so it isn't about crime reduction or solving at all, it's a backdoor gun ban.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 2:50:59 PM EDT
Gun control advocates need to respect the safe space that is our 2A
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 2:54:39 PM EDT
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Revolver.
Idiots.
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Can still do it to a revolver.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 2:56:00 PM EDT
http://www.baltimoresun.com/g00/news/maryland/bs-md-bullet-casings-20151107-story.html


Mllions of dollars later, Maryland has officially decided that its 15-year effort to store and catalog the "fingerprints" of thousands of handguns was a failure.

Since 2000, the state required that gun manufacturers fire every handgun to be sold here and send the spent bullet casing to authorities. The idea was to build a database of "ballistic fingerprints" to help solve future crimes.

But the system — plagued by technological problems — never solved a single case. Now the hundreds of thousands of accumulated casings could be sold for scrap.
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Can still do it to a revolver.
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Revolver.
Idiots.


Can still do it to a revolver.


I thought the premise was brass left at crime scene, unless someone reloaded, revolver brass not left behind.
Yea, could apply to revolvers but seems kinda pointless.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 4:50:30 PM EDT
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They do know, and they do not care. There is a difference.
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Originally Posted By efpeter:
Originally Posted By Taft:

There is a whole host of reasons why micro-stamping will not work and everyone knows it.


Not democrats.


They do know, and they do not care. There is a difference.
Oh, they care.

They know full well that it simply another way to make gun ownership more expensive and difficult. They would be perfectly happy in a world of $10,000 guns and $10 a round ammo, where only the very elite could afford them.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 4:59:56 PM EDT
Police departments in California should be forced to buy only microstamp equipped, Safe list approved, non-assault guns as well. Don't want them on the street without being able to tell who shot what round, from an unsafe, weapon of war that doesn't belong on city streets.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 5:05:08 PM EDT
It would be pretty funny if in Cali some Rep was able to put this in play and sneak in the verbiage to apply to LE only.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 5:14:58 PM EDT
We had this in the PRK and it was discontinued due to the high cost of keeping all those casings and data base maintenance.

Now they want to start all over again?

I also seem to remember that we did the whole data base thing for ammo purchases as well but it was ineffective.
Now we will do background checks instead.

Fucking idiots.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 5:20:59 PM EDT
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My Reasons Microstamping is Real Tarded by jon7400

1. The stolen gun's stamped brass leads investigators to an instant dead end and the only suspect is "completely innocent you" (who somehow didn't know your gun was missing from your safe. That's suspicious. You really didn't know it was missing? Let's take a ride downtown for a talk and later, the anal rape by convicts)
2. Tito, the drug dealer has and 3 seconds of spare time and a stolen Dremel, easily defeating any microstamping device, so he now fires scary sounding GHOST BULLETS OMGWTFBBQ!!!!
3. Tito, the wife-beating drug dealer, went to an outdoor public range. With no real supervision he collects some brass then reloads said brass back at his lair. Now there are 2 or more stamps, one being YOURS from the gun you STILL HAVE IN YOUR HOUSE, OH NO!!! (bum bum bummmm)
4. Everyone's favorite drug dealer, Tito went and replaced his firing pin with one from a gun before microstampy firing pins were made (I'm sure an additional felony "tampering with a gun doohicky" on top of his murder charges will deter him from SHUT THE FUCK UP LIBTARD)
5. NCIS is not real, it's a fictional TV show extremely loosely based on reality, stop it already.
6. Tito's ho hands him a stolen revolver to go out and take down her previous pimp, no brass is left behind.

Are there any others I'm missing?
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 5:24:39 PM EDT
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Your right about the unintended consequences.
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Originally Posted By Taft:
Originally Posted By Aimless:
Originally Posted By Taft:
There is a whole host of reasons why micro-stamping will not work and everyone knows it.
But it will 'work" in discouraging some firearms manufacurers from selling in CA and NY. You think Wilson combat is going to make NY and CA specific 1911s with microstamping?

Your right about the unintended consequences.

Unintended?
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 5:24:55 PM EDT

I already have a solution in place.





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