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Posted: 12/21/2009 4:56:21 AM EDT
That's what quite a few people were posting after the election results were known in November of 2004 when Republicans maintained their majorities in each house of congress and GWB was re-elected.

My, what a difference five years makes.
Link Posted: 12/21/2009 4:57:11 AM EDT
That's what happens when you become complacent.
Link Posted: 12/21/2009 4:58:05 AM EDT
The country is reaping the rewards of the GOP's atrocious job of actually doing what they claim to stand for.
Link Posted: 12/21/2009 5:00:28 AM EDT
That's what happens in nation mostly made up of people who are more concerned with what Paris Hilton is doing or weather or not Britney Spears is wearing underwear today.
Link Posted: 12/21/2009 5:07:33 AM EDT
Originally Posted By RightwingNutjob:
That's what happens in nation mostly made up of people who are more concerned with what Paris Hilton is doing or weather or not Britney Spears is wearing underwear today.

All that has happened in the last five years?
Link Posted: 12/21/2009 5:08:31 AM EDT




Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:

That's what quite a few people were posting after the election results were known in November of 2004 when Republicans maintained their majorities in each house of congress and GWB was re-elected.



My, what a difference five years makes.


That's the same thing people said about the Republicans last year.  Wait until next year.

Link Posted: 12/21/2009 5:25:25 AM EDT
Originally Posted By agillig:

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:
That's what quite a few people were posting after the election results were known in November of 2004 when Republicans maintained their majorities in each house of congress and GWB was re-elected.

My, what a difference five years makes.

That's the same thing people said about the Republicans last year.  Wait until next year.


Yeah, just wait.

Health care is a certainty. There won't be much of anything left for conservatives to conserve by the time this bunch of Dems is finished.
Link Posted: 12/21/2009 5:30:32 AM EDT




Originally Posted By motown_steve:



Originally Posted By agillig:





Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:

That's what quite a few people were posting after the election results were known in November of 2004 when Republicans maintained their majorities in each house of congress and GWB was re-elected.



My, what a difference five years makes.


That's the same thing people said about the Republicans last year. Wait until next year.





Yeah, just wait.



Health care is a certainty. There won't be much of anything left for conservatives to conserve by the time this bunch of Dems is finished.




So it seems...



The conservatives need to become Repealists
Link Posted: 12/21/2009 5:34:25 AM EDT
Even if the GOP retakes both the Senate and Congress, the victory will be short lived. Liberals have demographics on their side and they know it.

Link Posted: 12/21/2009 5:35:38 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Zan:
Even if the GOP retakes both the Senate and Congress, the victory will be short lived. Liberals have demographics on their side and they know it.





Yep......We are circling the drain.

Link Posted: 12/21/2009 5:36:04 AM EDT
shit missed the wuotes. I though you had new intel
Link Posted: 12/21/2009 5:36:15 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/21/2009 5:37:21 AM EDT by The_Macallan]

Decades of gerrymandering, election fraud, voter-intimidation, control of mass media, control of education, destructive 3rd-world immigration policies.... how could the Socialists NOT be in control of all levels of gov't?






There was a bloodless coup, a Leftist Revolution that took control of America during the last century, and we lost.



 
Link Posted: 12/21/2009 5:38:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/21/2009 5:39:55 AM EDT by MTUSA]
Remember what Hussein said last Nov 1st.

"We are going to fundamentally change America."

Remember what Chewbaka said.

"Barak will not let us live our lives as we used to."

More Hussein brilliance,

"The Constitution is a flawed document"

CoC silences me now
Link Posted: 12/21/2009 5:41:49 AM EDT
We would be better off if both parties ceased to exist.
Link Posted: 12/21/2009 5:43:53 AM EDT



Originally Posted By The_Macallan:






Decades of gerrymandering, election fraud, voter-intimidation, control of mass media, control of education, destructive 3rd-world immigration policies.... how could the Socialists NOT be in control of all levels of gov't?



There was a bloodless coup, a Leftist Revolution that took control of America during the last century, and we lost.




 
Dats racist





 
Link Posted: 12/21/2009 5:47:10 AM EDT
The real problem is a lack of a real conservative.  If we had a real conservative running anytime in the past decade, we'd have made .gov SMALLER, not the swollen behemoth that it currently is.  And the country would be a better place as a result.  Imagine if our stimulus package had been the suspension of all federal income tax for 12 months.  Do you think we'd still be struggling with unemployment rates as they stand?  

Of course, that would have been pushing the reset button.  People would never have allowed things to return to what they are, once the sheeple realize what the gov't steals from us every time we are paid.  We'd have had to gut the federal government.  And the federal government doesn't want to be gutted.  

We might get lucky and have some kind of glorious revolution, bloodless and popularly supported.  But I doubt it.  I'd say we're headed toward economically harder times and isolationism.  China and maybe India will be the next superpowers.  

But don't worry, the Republicans will bounce back.  The problem is that they aren't really Conservatives - they are just big gov socialists with a little different angle for jacking up the country.
Link Posted: 12/21/2009 5:50:36 AM EDT
The media will ensure that the Democrat party never dies.  They will continue their practice of asking the tough questions to conservatives and letting the liberals slide.  Long as the MSM is around, so will be the Democrat party.
Link Posted: 12/21/2009 5:50:42 AM EDT
Originally Posted By hcook:
The country is reaping the rewards of the GOP's atrocious job of actually doing what they claim to stand for.


this.

The only reason we have a man whose political experience doesn't extend past a year in the senate (most of which was spent campaigning anyways...) running our nation?

Eight years of the Bush administration.  

After that, if the fucking Hamburgular had a democrats nomination for president, he probably would have won, simply for not being a republican.


Link Posted: 12/21/2009 6:09:37 AM EDT
Originally Posted By hcook:
The country is reaping the rewards of the GOP's atrocious job of actually doing what they claim to stand for.



This.  

Link Posted: 12/21/2009 6:10:29 AM EDT
Guys, look, as much as I admire the tea-party movement, it's not going to fix things, unless it leads to revolution.*

You want to fix stuff? A tea party won't do it, a march won't do it. Have children, TEACH THEM (and not in the hopeless public schools - at home!) and devote your life - your life, people - to the task of raising and training young men and women. Throw yourself into your church, challenge your friends with kids, have more kids yourself - outbreed the liberals and hippies. Shouldn't be too hard, really - since they hate children and responsible parenting.

In the meantime, be willing to sit and talk to your neighbors. Offer to teach a high-school level economics or civics class somewhere. Do I do these things? No, not yet (working on it...). But we all should. Humanly speaking (i.e., not bringing the good favor of God into the discussion) these are our only means of rescue. Otherwise, we'll have to revolt.

How many of you (including me) would give up a promotion or a bit of our comfortable lifestyle in order to invest time in the people around us? Tea parties on a satruday won't cut it. They have their purpose, and I support them, but if we want to talk about long-term change, it takes more.

The problem is that the average voter is, well, stupid. They're the problem. We wouldn't have shoddy representatives without sorry voters. We need to retrain some voters, and raise up some smarter ones, to do any long-term good.


















*Further talk of revolution is outside the scope of this post and may run afoul of the site CoC. Leave it off for now
Link Posted: 12/21/2009 6:19:46 AM EDT
Originally Posted By m193:
We would be better off if both parties ceased to exist.


yeah, a one party system is just what we need....
Link Posted: 12/21/2009 6:21:02 AM EDT




Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:

That's what happens when you become complacent. conservatives turn their back on conservatism.




Fixed.
Link Posted: 12/21/2009 6:23:16 AM EDT



Originally Posted By The_Macallan:






Decades of gerrymandering, election fraud, voter-intimidation, control of mass media, control of education, destructive 3rd-world immigration policies.... how could the Socialists NOT be in control of all levels of gov't?



There was a bloodless coup, a Leftist Revolution that took control of America during the last century, and we lost.




 
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all
men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain
unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of
happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men,
deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any
form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the
people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government
, laying its
foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to
them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness."



"we mutually pledge to each
other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor."




The men who wrote those words, would have never allowed us to get to the point we're at today.  



 
Link Posted: 12/21/2009 6:24:03 AM EDT
Originally Posted By DWFAN:

Originally Posted By motown_steve:
Originally Posted By agillig:

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:
That's what quite a few people were posting after the election results were known in November of 2004 when Republicans maintained their majorities in each house of congress and GWB was re-elected.

My, what a difference five years makes.

That's the same thing people said about the Republicans last year. Wait until next year.


Yeah, just wait.

Health care is a certainty. There won't be much of anything left for conservatives to conserve by the time this bunch of Dems is finished.


So it seems...

The conservatives need to become Repealists


I've been saying for months now that the R's need to learn the meaning of the word 'repeal' and start using it more often.
Link Posted: 12/21/2009 6:33:24 AM EDT




Originally Posted By DWFAN:





Originally Posted By motown_steve:



Originally Posted By agillig:





Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:

That's what quite a few people were posting after the election results were known in November of 2004 when Republicans maintained their majorities in each house of congress and GWB was re-elected.



My, what a difference five years makes.


That's the same thing people said about the Republicans last year. Wait until next year.





Yeah, just wait.



Health care is a certainty. There won't be much of anything left for conservatives to conserve by the time this bunch of Dems is finished.




So it seems...



The conservatives need to become Repealists



Good luck with that

Link Posted: 12/21/2009 6:34:45 AM EDT




Originally Posted By Lefthandpath:



Originally Posted By hcook:

The country is reaping the rewards of the GOP's atrocious job of actually doing what they claim to stand for.




this.



The only reason we have a man whose political experience doesn't extend past a year in the senate (most of which was spent campaigning anyways...) running our nation?



Eight years of the Bush administration.



After that, if the fucking Hamburgular had a democrats nomination for president, he probably would have won, simply for not being a republican.







You forgot about 90 years fight with communism and now we have this
Link Posted: 12/21/2009 6:34:48 AM EDT
Originally Posted By JCKnife:
Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:
That's what happens when you become complacent. conservatives turn their back on conservatism.

Fixed.

You're both correct.
Link Posted: 12/21/2009 6:37:37 AM EDT




Originally Posted By TwoDogKnight:





Originally Posted By DWFAN:





Originally Posted By motown_steve:



Originally Posted By agillig:





Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:

That's what quite a few people were posting after the election results were known in November of 2004 when Republicans maintained their majorities in each house of congress and GWB was re-elected.



My, what a difference five years makes.


That's the same thing people said about the Republicans last year. Wait until next year.





Yeah, just wait.



Health care is a certainty. There won't be much of anything left for conservatives to conserve by the time this bunch of Dems is finished.




So it seems...



The conservatives need to become Repealists



Good luck with that





I'm not under any delusions thinking that they will, believe me.



That said, as voters we must demand it of them, otherwise we really will only have a couple of choices and both of them are very unpleasant for our future as a nation.
Link Posted: 12/21/2009 6:40:10 AM EDT
The Democratic party could dissolve tomorrow and this country would still be screwed for a long time to come.

It's not the party that's screwing America.  It's the >50% of the population that believes you can get something for nothing.
Link Posted: 12/21/2009 6:40:36 AM EDT



Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:



Originally Posted By JCKnife:


Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:

That's what happens when you become complacent. conservatives turn their back on conservatism.


Fixed.


You're both correct.
Rush Limbaugh has routinely discussed this subject.  He has stated that what happened in '94 is that Republicans failed to continue to educate the masses on the virtues, benefits and righteousness of a limited Constitutional government.



The Republican party as been inept at doing any sort of "out-reach".  In fact, I have asked the local Republican chair to start a grass roots campaign, going door to door trying to educate the electorate.  Instead she said "we need to focus on a clear concise message of a strong military, lower taxes and strong families".  



Seriously though, the Republican party has regurgitate the same talking points over and over and over.    No one knows why those things are good.



For 15 years, the Republican mantra is "vote for us, because we are not like them", and the mentality has been "they CAN'T be that stupid to vote for them, can they?"  





 
Link Posted: 12/21/2009 6:43:03 AM EDT




Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:





Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:



Originally Posted By JCKnife:



Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:

That's what happens when you become complacent. conservatives turn their back on conservatism.


Fixed.


You're both correct.
Rush Limbaugh has routinely discussed this subject. He has stated that what happened in '94 is that Republicans failed to continue to educate the masses on the virtues, benefits and righteousness of a limited Constitutional government.



The Republican party as been inept at doing any sort of "out-reach". In fact, I have asked the local Republican chair to start a grass roots campaign, going door to door trying to educate the electorate. Instead she said "we need to focus on a clear concise message of a strong military, lower taxes and strong families".



Seriously though, the Republican party has regurgitate the same talking points over and over and over. No one knows why those things are good.



For 15 years, the Republican mantra is "vote for us, because we are not like them", and the mentality has been "they CAN'T be that stupid to vote for them, can they?"







Well if this past election didn't give them a concise answer on that, I don't know what will.
Link Posted: 12/21/2009 6:48:42 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/21/2009 6:51:47 AM EDT
Originally Posted By motown_steve:
Originally Posted By agillig:

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:
That's what quite a few people were posting after the election results were known in November of 2004 when Republicans maintained their majorities in each house of congress and GWB was re-elected.

My, what a difference five years makes.

That's the same thing people said about the Republicans last year.  Wait until next year.


Yeah, just wait.

Health care is a certainty. There won't be much of anything left for conservatives to conserve by the time this bunch of Dems is finished.


I agree with you Motown Steve.

My only hope...and I think the republic's only hope is that the 2010 elections are a landside for those who practice common sense.  And they all run on the platform of repeal, Obamacare will not kick in for 4 more years that means the people who are standing with their hand out will not have an emotional connection to the program.  The Taxes will kick in immediately so there will be enough out rage voters to support the repeal of Obamacare

While the 2010 elections are going on I want all of the conservative / libertarian / republican think tanks and legal scholars to draft lawsuits to be argued at the Supreme Court challenging the constitutional merit of Obamacare.



Link Posted: 12/21/2009 6:52:21 AM EDT
This is one of the few times I've seen where the cry of "It's Bush's fault" may have some truth to it.  8 years in office and he failed as the leader of his party and he failed as the leader of conservatism.  He left office, handing the keys to the castle to his enemies, with the Republican party in shambles and the Conservative movement in full retreat.  He did nothing to teach America to cherish limited government and instead expanded it beyond anything we imagined.



It's a direct result of his shortcomings that gave the Democrats this opportunity to fuck us all in the ass.



Oh buy hey, he liberated the Iraqis.  Now he gets to watch as his own people are enslaved to socialism.




Link Posted: 12/21/2009 6:54:56 AM EDT



I'm sorry, but I still remember all the talk after Bush won re-election about how Carl Rove had created this unbeatable Red State juggernaut that was going to ensure Republican victories forever.

Link Posted: 12/21/2009 6:59:44 AM EDT
What destroyed this country is racial demographics.








Nothing more
Link Posted: 12/21/2009 7:23:16 AM EDT
Originally Posted By 3rdpig:
This is one of the few times I've seen where the cry of "It's Bush's fault" may have some truth to it.  8 years in office and he failed as the leader of his party and he failed as the leader of conservatism.  He left office, handing the keys to the castle to his enemies, with the Republican party in shambles and the Conservative movement in full retreat.  He did nothing to teach America to cherish limited government and instead expanded it beyond anything we imagined.

It's a direct result of his shortcomings that gave the Democrats this opportunity to fuck us all in the ass.

Oh buy hey, he liberated the Iraqis.  Now he gets to watch as his own people are enslaved to socialism.



There are only two things I directly blame GWB for in this mess. The first is allowing conditions that made it possible for folks to equity strip thier homes to pay for the wars in the middle east, and the second was his choice to do absolutely FUCK ALL with domestic policy while in office.
Link Posted: 12/21/2009 7:31:05 AM EDT
Originally Posted By m193:
We would be better off if both parties ceased to exist.


That is what is happening right under your nose. Can you say DICTATORSHIP?
Link Posted: 12/21/2009 8:55:36 AM EDT




Originally Posted By arowneragain:

Guys, look, as much as I admire the tea-party movement, it's not going to fix things, unless it leads to revolution.*



You want to fix stuff? A tea party won't do it, a march won't do it. Have children, TEACH THEM (and not in the hopeless public schools - at home!) and devote your life - your life, people - to the task of raising and training young men and women. Throw yourself into your church, challenge your friends with kids, have more kids yourself - outbreed the liberals and hippies. Shouldn't be too hard, really - since they hate children and responsible parenting.



In the meantime, be willing to sit and talk to your neighbors. Offer to teach a high-school level economics or civics class somewhere. Do I do these things? No, not yet (working on it...). But we all should. Humanly speaking (i.e., not bringing the good favor of God into the discussion) these are our only means of rescue. Otherwise, we'll have to revolt.



How many of you (including me) would give up a promotion or a bit of our comfortable lifestyle in order to invest time in the people around us? Tea parties on a satruday won't cut it. They have their purpose, and I support them, but if we want to talk about long-term change, it takes more.



The problem is that the average voter is, well, stupid. They're the problem. We wouldn't have shoddy representatives without sorry voters. We need to retrain some voters, and raise up some smarter ones, to do any long-term good.
*Further talk of revolution is outside the scope of this post and may run afoul of the site CoC. Leave it off for now




Well put.
Link Posted: 12/21/2009 10:56:55 AM EDT
Originally Posted By TwoDogKnight:

Originally Posted By DWFAN:

Originally Posted By motown_steve:
Originally Posted By agillig:

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:
That's what quite a few people were posting after the election results were known in November of 2004 when Republicans maintained their majorities in each house of congress and GWB was re-elected.

My, what a difference five years makes.

That's the same thing people said about the Republicans last year. Wait until next year.


Yeah, just wait.

Health care is a certainty. There won't be much of anything left for conservatives to conserve by the time this bunch of Dems is finished.


So it seems...

The conservatives need to become Repealists

Good luck with that


The local morning radio guy had some ultra right wing member of the US House's Texas delegation on and the radio guy asked him about repealing this health care if it passes. The congressman got real quite and mumbled something about Obama still being able to veto anything they try and repeal, but that it's better to stop it before it ever becomes law and that the push and fight needs to be now.

Facts are that laws never get repealed, especially government programs. Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare, Welfare...none of this shit has EVER been repealed nor will it. If helath care gets passed then it will be etched in stone.
Link Posted: 12/21/2009 12:17:24 PM EDT
Originally Posted By arowneragain:
Guys, look, as much as I admire the tea-party movement, it's not going to fix things, unless it leads to revolution.*

You want to fix stuff? A tea party won't do it, a march won't do it. Have children, TEACH THEM (and not in the hopeless public schools - at home!) and devote your life - your life, people - to the task of raising and training young men and women. Throw yourself into your church, challenge your friends with kids, have more kids yourself - outbreed the liberals and hippies.

+1

My wife and I have four children and we do everything we can to give them the best upbringing possible.
Link Posted: 12/21/2009 1:28:53 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DWFAN:

Originally Posted By TwoDogKnight:

Originally Posted By DWFAN:

Originally Posted By motown_steve:
Originally Posted By agillig:

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:
That's what quite a few people were posting after the election results were known in November of 2004 when Republicans maintained their majorities in each house of congress and GWB was re-elected.

My, what a difference five years makes.

That's the same thing people said about the Republicans last year. Wait until next year.


Yeah, just wait.

Health care is a certainty. There won't be much of anything left for conservatives to conserve by the time this bunch of Dems is finished.


So it seems...

The conservatives need to become Repealists

Good luck with that


I'm not under any delusions thinking that they will, believe me.

That said, as voters we must demand it of them, otherwise we really will only have a couple of choices and both of them are very unpleasant for our future as a nation.


I really don't believe that the majority of voters want to see massive repeals of government programs and such. To me, the fact that Barack Obama is the President is proof positive that most people want the government to solve their problems. People want the government to provide for them if they get into trouble, people want the government to make sure they have a job, people want the government to keep the economy running and prosperous. When people's property values start collapsing, they want the government to step in. When people's retirement portfolio starts disintegrating they want the government to step in. When unemployment is skyrocketing, they want the government to step in.

Talk to every day people and they will tell you that Democrats are better for the economy and Republicans are better for national defense. When the economy is in trouble they want a Democrat. That's why they elected Clinton, that's why they elected Obama. When the country is in danger they want someone to defend the country. That's why W won re-election. People want socialism when they get into trouble. That's a fact.
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