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Posted: 10/13/2004 10:29:35 AM EST
Is it some special mix of solvents?

Just what is it?

Naphtha?

Mineral Spirits?
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 10:31:30 AM EST
I just use gasoline...

Matter of fact just finished BBQing some sausage...

SGatr15
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 10:31:59 AM EST
Charcoal Lighting Fluid
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 10:38:53 AM EST
No help so far........
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 10:44:39 AM EST

Originally Posted By alloy6061:
No help so far........



What exactly are you trying to do?

Sgatr15
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 10:45:54 AM EST
This is from the MSDS for Royal Oak charcoal starting fluid:

Ingred Name:
STODDARD SOLVENT (PETROLEUM DISTILLATE), MINERAL SPIRITS

CAS:
8052-41-3

Link Posted: 10/13/2004 10:45:59 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/13/2004 10:48:11 AM EST by hk940]
here is the MSDS


starter 0.77
gasoline .739
Kerosene .820

so it's a little heavier than Gasoline but not as heavy as Kerosene. the heavier it is the less volatile it is (generally). so it burns longer than gas and leaves less residue than Kerosene

why?
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 10:47:44 AM EST
This is from the MSDS for Kingsford charcoal lighter fluid:

Ingred Name:
SOLVENT NAPHTHA (PETROLEUM) MEDIUM ALIPHATIC; (ALIPHATIC PETROLEUM SOLVENT)

CAS:64742-88-7
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 10:50:28 AM EST
Where did you get those numbers?
Not from the MSDS you linked to.

From your provided link:

SECTION XII - Ingredients/Identity Information
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ingredient # 01
Ingredient Name ALIPHATIC PETROLEUM SOLVENT

CAS Number 64742488
Proprietary NO
Percent 100
OSHA PEL 100 PPM
ACGIH TLV 50 PPM


Originally Posted By hk940:
here is the MSDS


starter 0.77
gasoline .739
Kerosene .820

so it's a little heavier than Gasoline but not as heavy as Kerosene. the heavier it is the less volatile it is (generally). so it burns longer than gas and leaves less residue than Kerosene

why?

Link Posted: 10/13/2004 10:50:35 AM EST
Get a chimney, much better way to bbq or grille.
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 10:52:00 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/13/2004 10:54:17 AM EST by hk940]
i got the Gan and kero from here

for the starter look at:

SECTION III - Physical/Chemical Characteristics
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Appearance/Odor CLEAR COLORLESS LIQUID
Boiling Point 315-350 F
Melting Point N/A
Vapor Pressure 2MMHG@60F
Vapor Density 4.7
Specific Gravity 0.77
Solubility in Water INSOLUBLE
Percent Volatiles by Volume 100
Container Pressure Code 4
Temperature Code 8
Product State Code U
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 11:00:46 AM EST
What ever it is, From my past experience, I will say that it works much better than JP-4, and dosen't leave a bad taste on the burgers
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 11:01:32 AM EST
Why do I have the feeling this is going to turn into a 10 page arguement???



SGtar15
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 11:03:01 AM EST
Just wanted to know..........and I wouldn't have to buy "Charcoal Fluid" in a quart if I could buy a gallon of some solvent instead.

Thanks
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 11:06:42 AM EST
I see.
You tossed in something that had nothing to do with the original question.
Had you identified your numbers as "specific gravity" then I would have known.




Originally Posted By hk940:
i got the Gan and kero from here

for the starter look at:

SECTION III - Physical/Chemical Characteristics
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Appearance/Odor CLEAR COLORLESS LIQUID
Boiling Point 315-350 F
Melting Point N/A
Vapor Pressure 2MMHG@60F
Vapor Density 4.7
Specific Gravity 0.77
Solubility in Water INSOLUBLE
Percent Volatiles by Volume 100
Container Pressure Code 4
Temperature Code 8
Product State Code U

Link Posted: 10/13/2004 11:12:10 AM EST
100% cheater juice, that's what it is. Good BBQ never gets within 100 miles of that crap.

Use wood chips to get your fire going. Also, don't use that Kingsford charcoal garbage. It's full of fillers that screw up the flavor of the meat. Look for 100% mesquite charcoal. I like Best of the West. Burns very evenly, I can keep my smoker at a consistent temperature all day long.

Kirk
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 11:18:12 AM EST
the original question is what is it?
VOC and Hydrocarbons as best defined by their specific gravities.
i was stating it is a Hydrocarbon with a specific Gravity between gas and Kerosene.
Working in the petrochemical industry if you say a liquid is a .8 it’s assumed you are talking SG. Sorry to throw you for a loop.



Originally Posted By KA3B:
I see.
You tossed in something that had nothing to do with the original question.
Had you identified your numbers as "specific gravity" then I would have known.




Originally Posted By hk940:
i got the Gan and kero from here

for the starter look at:

SECTION III - Physical/Chemical Characteristics
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Appearance/Odor CLEAR COLORLESS LIQUID
Boiling Point 315-350 F
Melting Point N/A
Vapor Pressure 2MMHG@60F
Vapor Density 4.7
Specific Gravity 0.77
Solubility in Water INSOLUBLE
Percent Volatiles by Volume 100
Container Pressure Code 4
Temperature Code 8
Product State Code U


Link Posted: 10/13/2004 11:19:28 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/13/2004 11:20:09 AM EST by hk940]

Originally Posted By photokirk:
100% cheater juice, that's what it is. Good BBQ never gets within 100 miles of that crap.

Use wood chips to get your fire going. Also, don't use that Kingsford charcoal garbage. It's full of fillers that screw up the flavor of the meat. Look for 100% mesquite charcoal. I like Best of the West. Burns very evenly, I can keep my smoker at a consistent temperature all day long.

Kirk



the best fires are made with OAK wood. and a little hickory for flavor.

wood has a SG of about 0.700
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 11:33:18 AM EST

Originally Posted By sgtar15:
Why do I have the feeling this is going to turn into a 10 page arguement???



SGtar15



Because a disproportionate number of the members to this site are engineers.

Like myself.
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 11:38:34 AM EST
get a chimney- never have to buy that crap and your food does not taste like sheet.
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 11:51:02 AM EST
The original question (which I answered)


Originally Posted By alloy6061:
Is it some special mix of solvents?
Just what is it?
Naphtha?
Mineral Spirits?



Nothing in there asking about specific gravity or where the specific gravity of the compound/s are placed in a specific gravity chart.



Originally Posted By hk940:
the original question is what is it?
VOC and Hydrocarbons as best defined by their specific gravities.
i was stating it is a Hydrocarbon with a specific Gravity between gas and Kerosene.
Working in the petrochemical industry if you say a liquid is a .8 it’s assumed you are talking SG. Sorry to throw you for a loop.



Originally Posted By KA3B:
I see.
You tossed in something that had nothing to do with the original question.
Had you identified your numbers as "specific gravity" then I would have known.




Originally Posted By hk940:
i got the Gan and kero from here

for the starter look at:

SECTION III - Physical/Chemical Characteristics
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Appearance/Odor CLEAR COLORLESS LIQUID
Boiling Point 315-350 F
Melting Point N/A
Vapor Pressure 2MMHG@60F
Vapor Density 4.7
Specific Gravity 0.77
Solubility in Water INSOLUBLE
Percent Volatiles by Volume 100
Container Pressure Code 4
Temperature Code 8
Product State Code U



Link Posted: 10/13/2004 12:48:09 PM EST
So it looks like it's mostly Mineral Spirits?
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 12:55:44 PM EST
Yeah, once you throw the tech talk out.

Makes your food taste bad if you don't let it burn all the way out after you've let in soak all the way in as directed. (Anybody actually wait that long???) If you insist on using it instead of a chimney, start a little pile with it and then use them to start a big pile so you eliminate most of the taste.

We used to camp at a beach and one of the regulars worked in an aerospace machine shop and about once a week he'ld light his with a pile of magnesium shavings.
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 12:57:45 PM EST

Originally Posted By lvgunner777:
Get a chimney, much better way to bbq or grille.



+1
Just got one and it works pretty good.......
no starter fluid
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 12:59:23 PM EST
The lighter fluid always leaves a bad taste on the food I grill. (No I don't pore it on the food.)
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 1:34:20 PM EST
LIghter fluid works fine if you let the coals get to the right stage they should be all white or grey with no black edges showing if it is dark they should look like little glowing orange briquettes.
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 8:10:28 PM EST
Haven't used "charcoal lighter" in about 20 years.

I have all Coleman white gas appliances for camping so I always have a can or two of "campfire in a can" in the garage. I have a multi fuel backpacking stove (white gas, car gas and kerosene) and those aluminum storage bottles are just the thing for dousing the coals with white gas.

Let the coals burn until they are completely white, them put the grill on and let any residual grease/leftover food, etc. burn off. Give the grill a once-over with a wire brush and BAM you're good to go. NO oily or petroleum taste whatsoever.
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 2:40:28 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/14/2004 2:40:58 AM EST by DoctorT]
I use that green gel stuff from WalMart..... based off of a starch substance. Burns really hot and gets the charcoal going really good. Only use the hardwood charcoal too.
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