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Posted: 10/1/2004 5:43:33 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/1/2004 5:44:26 AM EST by 71-Hour_Achmed]
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this:
www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110005694
tennessean.com/opinion/columnists/chavez/archives/04/09/58605956.shtml?Element_ID=58605956

''The Najaf shrine--HUNDREDS of dead women and children were brought out after [Muqtada al] Sadr left,'' Rose wrote. ''They (Sadr's supporters) rounded them up during the battle and brought them in to be executed. Why? Because they anticipated the Americans would eventually enter the shrine and walk into a media ambush. We never went in. The people of Najaf love us right now because of that. They hate Sadr and want him dead."
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 6:19:26 AM EST
Don't expect the defeatist Bush-hating media to pay any attention to this. I loved it during the debates when Kerry said "The American people know we're failing in Iraq, they see it on their TV every night". What a jack-off!
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 6:21:42 AM EST
Has this been confirmed?

If so, then I reckon I'll be buttering up my own words before eating them. I wonder if the reason we didn't go in is because we had this intel?

Damn.....

These savages really know no limits, do they?
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 6:34:40 AM EST
Sounds like our boy Sadr
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 6:38:45 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 7:46:14 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/1/2004 7:56:30 AM EST by Dave_A]

Originally Posted By ilikelegs:

Originally Posted By Zaphod:


These savages really know no limits, do they?




And there are so many of them. To bad the few moderate ones are not speaking out.
Their silence says a lot more to me. To bad others don't see it that way.
But the world is full of stupid sheep.



The silence says that the people of Iraq are waiting to see who wins...

Remember, the LAST time they 'Spoke Out' in 1991, Saddam massacred them by the thousands, as we sat by and did NOTHING!

So this time, they don't completely trust us, and are waiting to see who wins.

They know that picking the wrong side will find them facing reprisals from the terrorists & Saddam-loyalists if they side with us and we lose, AND that if they side with the enemy and we win they will be hung or shot for treason...

So they are sitting tight and staying neutral... Expect mass bandwagon-jumping as the situation becomes more certain....
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 7:49:21 AM EST
OK, where is the link to confirm this...?
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 7:50:15 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/1/2004 7:58:03 AM EST by Dave_A]
Link #2, TEXT:



Did you see the big headline or watch the top-of-the-newscast story about the success of our sons and daughters in Samarra, Iraq?

Of course, you didn't.

I found mention deep in stories from The Christian Science Monitor and The Associated Press. But it took e-mails from Marine officers in Iraq to relay the importance of this positive news — so I could tell you.

It shouldn't be this way. Yet journalism in America is broken. It has no foundation of values by which many Americans can relate and depend. The moral of this column is not about one side prevailing in news coverage on the war on terror. It's simply about fairness — about Americans getting both sides with the same prominence.

They're not. And media emphasis on Iraq being in chaos has coincided with John Kerry making the same pitch to voters. It makes you wonder, just as we did on the authenticity of Dan Rather's reporting. And now America knows about Rather's ruse.

''Samarra is a beaming success story over here,'' writes Lt. Col Jim Rose, a Tennessee Marine whose parents live in Old Hickory. ''We were getting ready for a take-down there right after Najaf. We told the locals, 'Hey, see what happened in Najaf? Is that what you want? Cause we're coming.' It took the locals about two days to get the bad guys out.''

Rose is based in the Sunni Triangle. That's where most U.S. casualties occur, where the Sunnis are supportive of terrorists coming in. Fallujah is there, along with Samarra and Najaf, where Marines drove terrorists out of one of Islam's holiest shrines.

Rose verified a message I received from another Marine officer in Iraq. He provided perspective missing in the media: ''Those achievements, more than anything else … account for the surge in violence in recent days — especially the violence directed at Iraqis by the insurgents. Both in Najaf and Samarra, ordinary people stepped out and took sides with the Iraqi government against the insurgents, and the bad guys are hopping mad. They are trying to instill fear once again.''

Rose asked: ''Why isn't the media covering Samarra?''

Instead, we get what reader Jim League of Smyrna complains about. He cited a picture and story featured at the top of Page 13A in Saturday's Tennessean:

''The perhaps 100 protesters get front-and-center billing, and the impression is that all of Iraq is unhappy. What is missing is perspective. Imagine a foreigner perusing the front page of The Tennessean. He reads about a 15-year-old-boy being chained to his bed for six weeks. Would he be justified in believing that all parents in America constrain their children? If he had no perspective and if his impression was selectively reinforced by subtle media or political pundits, this could be possible.''

Exactly. And what we get on TV is also just one side. Consider this story Rose saw reported: ''I was going through the battle damage assessment at my desk with NBC's Today on the TV. The attack occurred in the middle of the night. I had the footage of the attack on my computer, and here's Katie Couric (or whoever hosts it) showing the same bomb location.

''I had pictures of the bombed vehicles, which is how I knew she was talking about the same location. The next shot is kids being carried into a hospital. We had eyes on this for a long time. If there were kids in there, they were toting weapons or the terrorists used them as human shields. …

''I went to our Combat Operations Center and walked into them watching the same thing. I verified what I thought and spoke with our intelligence guys. They said the whole thing was staged and probably old footage. They track the footage and have seen repeat footage shown in the past. They also said to look at the footage and see if it makes sense. More often than not, it doesn't … pulling a child from rubble with relatively clean clothes. ''

Is NBC wrong and the Marines right? Americans deserve both sides to make up their minds.

''The Najaf shrine — HUNDREDS of dead women and children were brought out after Sadr left,'' Rose wrote. ''They (Sadr's supporters) rounded them up during the battle and brought them in to be executed. Why? Because they anticipated the Americans would eventually enter the shrine and walk into a media ambush. We never went in. The people of Najaf love us right now because of that. They hate Sadr and want him dead.

''Have you heard that one yet (in the media)?''

No we haven't. We just get one side. That's bad journalism — by a news media acting in concert with Kerry.



He makes one big mistake, however:

Najaff is a Shiite city, it is NOT in the 'Sunni Triangle'

Oh, the op in Samara kicked off after the car bombing...

AlZaq lost at least 90 of his men, and a Turkish hostage was rescued...
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 7:50:55 AM EST

Originally Posted By Dave_A:
The silence says that the people of Iraq are waiting to see who wins...

Remember, the LAST time they 'Spoke Out' in 1991, Saddam massacred them by the thousands, as we sat by and did NOTHING!

So this time, they don't completely trust us, and are waiting to see who wins.

They know that picking the wrong side will find them facing reprisals from the terrorists & Saddam-loyalists if they side with us and we lose, AND that if they side with the enemy and we win they will be hung or shot for treason...

So they are sitting tight and staying neutral... Expect mass bandwagon-jumping as the cituation becomes more certain....


Good post. I agree 100%.
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 7:56:52 AM EST

Originally Posted By redpine:
OK, where is the link to confirm this...?



Posted right above it, and quoted by me as well...

Link Posted: 10/1/2004 8:02:30 AM EST
animals
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 8:10:08 AM EST
So did they kill the women and children...or were they planning to kill them IF we went in?
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 8:15:04 AM EST

Originally Posted By Zaphod:
Has this been confirmed?

If so, then I reckon I'll be buttering up my own words before eating them. I wonder if the reason we didn't go in is because we had this intel?





You can go ahead and deliver your apology to me directly.

I'm accepting apologies on behalf of freedom loving Iraqis.

Link Posted: 10/1/2004 8:16:01 AM EST
I miss something?
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 3:41:39 PM EST
Wait til you see how this is being spun around the world already (like it should really surpise some of you).

From our friends in Tropical Cuba: LINK


US army massacres over
100 civilians in Iraq

BAGHDAD, October 1 (PL).—, More than 100 Iraqi civilians have been killed and some 200 injured in Samarra and Sadr City today during the cruelest retaliatory operations that the US occupation forces have launched do date.

According to medical sources quoted by the Arab TV network Al Arabiya, 94 people died and another 180 were injured when soldiers from the US 1st Infantry Division attacked a civilian area of the city of Samarra with heavy weaponry.

In the Sadr City district, located in west Baghdad, US soldiers massacred nine civilians during an operation to eliminate militia forces loyal to the wanted Islamic Shiite cleric Moqtada Al Sadr. Another three people were seriously injured.

Al Arabiya also reported that the national police, under the orders of the United States, arrested 21 foreigners and 42 Iraqis in the vicinity of Haifa, a central capital street.

This Friday’s wave of arrests was the third after this week’s confiscation of two rebel arsenals.

Sunni insurgents have organized several actions in the last few days against patrols by the occupying forces and their national allies.


Link Posted: 10/2/2004 3:13:34 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/2/2004 3:17:48 AM EST by 71-Hour_Achmed]

Originally Posted By ilikelegs:

Originally Posted By Zaphod:


These savages really know no limits, do they?




And there are so many of them. To bad the fewmany moderate ones are not speaking outbeing quoted in Reuters/AP/AFP news stories.
TheirThe biased media's silence says a lot more to me. To bad others don't see it that way.
But the world is full of stupid sheep.


Fixed it for you.

The WSJ's OpinionJournal.com site has biweekly news collections from Iraq and Afghanistan -- all of the
non-anti-American news that the rest of the media refuses to report. It's usually on Mondays. Take a look through some back issues some times.
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 10:47:10 AM EST

Originally Posted By garandman:

Originally Posted By Zaphod:
Has this been confirmed?

If so, then I reckon I'll be buttering up my own words before eating them. I wonder if the reason we didn't go in is because we had this intel?





You can go ahead and deliver your apology to me directly.

I'm accepting apologies on behalf of freedom loving Iraqis.




Well, if this is true, then the apology is offered.

I STILL would have blown the sh!t out of the place upon the first round being fired from it, though....
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