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Posted: 7/23/2005 4:40:49 PM EDT
former active duty 11b with a burr under my saddle. I have a wife and three kids (5,3,1) and have created a decent life in the civilian world... But I have this damn itch to somehow be apart of the action/ miss the brotherhood. The reason AF guard security police is I want the police and security experience for possible carreer change in civilian world. People with any experince in this field info and advice please. Also no army guard/reserve MP unit in area.
Link Posted: 7/23/2005 7:37:38 PM EDT
Im active duty Security Forces. In this day and age there isnt much difference between active and guard. We all work together. Guard spends alot of its time deploying and backfilling us active guy when were deployed. its a good gig too. A friend of mine went guard and is now activated making good money on per diem. Just be warned, USAF Sec Forces units are not all high speed. Theyre more like small town police departments with a wide mix of attitudes and mind sets. Ive been a cop for 6 years and I like most of the life. Some things suck, but thats life. Cops are a very tight nit group that can be hard for some to fit in to. Be flexible and be prepared for anything because if it can happen to you it will in this career field. We're also taking on alot of the traditional Army MP roles like convoy security and EPW camps. Times are a changing in this career field and now is the time to jump in. If you have anymore questions I'll try to answer them or find you the answer. Cheers.
Link Posted: 7/23/2005 7:50:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/23/2005 7:50:21 PM EDT by FightingHellfish]
One good thing the Air Guard Security Forces gets is shorter deployments. I think the standard sand box tour for Air Guard is something like 120 days, and the AF is very generous for per diem. Also, if your interested in an AGR job (full time active duty in the Guard) the Air Guard Security Forces usually has a shit load of slots compared to an Army Guard unit.

However, Security Forces duty on an Air Guard base could be kind of slow. Kind of slow as in NOTHING ever happens. Kind of slow as in actual death from boredom.....

I'm not in the Air Guard or Air Force but my unit augmented an Air Guard Security Forces Squadron for a while as part of Operation Armored Falcon, AKA Operation Armed Felon, AKA Operation Enamored Phallus...

Anyway, lots of good guys, lots of good opportunities, but really, really boring. At least on the Guard side of the house.
Link Posted: 7/24/2005 2:15:36 AM EDT
Our depolyments now are set for 179 days minimum. Ive seen guys go out for 8 months because there was no one to relieve them on time. Thats a very rare case. My first trip was 97 days, then the next one was 163, and this next one is slated for 179. Fighting Hellfish is right a Guard base will boring to work at if you got an AGR slot or were the duty flight. My base, Nellis AFb has a pretty high ops tempo and a good deal of crime. We have weeks where nothing happens and then we get socked. Large amounts of TDY personnel and alot of Airmen make this base interesting.
Link Posted: 7/24/2005 3:06:24 AM EDT
What kind of schools do security police qualify for? Do they have a SWAT type school? Do they provide security details for AF generals? I should call a recruiter but then they will keep calling me and bugging me. The web site for AF guard is pretty general.
Link Posted: 7/24/2005 11:40:14 AM EDT
Schools for guard guys might be a bit lacking but, alot of things depend on where you're at in a certain momnent. We have a counter sniper course that is Guard run down in Arkansas. Theres the Raven school at Ft. Dix. They are close in security for the cargo planes that fly in areas where we dont have a large presence at. I did those missions for awhile they were pretty fun. As far as SWAT stuff in the Air Guard, Ive never heard of them having that kind of thing, thats mainly the active duty guys. We have a SWAT team in my unit but Im not sure if its any good. All Ive heard they like to do is strut around in their gear and they dont practice much. The active duty guys provide the general officer security and my friend guarded Gen. Jumper when he was USAFE commander and he said it sucked. Ive dont some secuirty for generals and politicians and I thought it blew chunks too. I hope this infor helps.
Link Posted: 7/24/2005 12:18:26 PM EDT
what kind of weaponry do you use? M4's? handguns? M249? M240?
Link Posted: 7/24/2005 12:43:01 PM EDT
We use the standard stuff,M9 M4, 249, 240, 203. Then some cop units have heavy weapons like .50's and MK19's.
Link Posted: 7/24/2005 5:20:46 PM EDT
I've never heard an add for air Guard. is it like the army guard one weekend a month, two weeks a year. I see they have women in the security forces. wonderful... The last time I had a women co-worker was in high school. looks like 10 weeks of training at lacklund AFB in TX.
Link Posted: 7/25/2005 8:13:21 AM EDT
Drill time is the same as the Army. Tech school at Lackland will be good since you're prior service. You get to stay in billeting. That means you wont have to live with a bunch of punk ass kids over at the jail house. No room inspections. After the training day, the day is yours. When I went through 6 years ago, the prior service guys could pretty much do as they pleased. They didnt have to march with the flight, didnt have to do PT with the flight, and they didnt have to do alot of the shit we had to. Tech school isnt bad. Its smack dab in the middle of San Antonio. Yu have 10 malls, a huge water park, the downtown area is a party zone. In all you wont have a bad time if you sign up.
Link Posted: 7/27/2005 7:38:30 PM EDT
infantryman,

The other possibility for you is to hook up with a USAF Reserve Security Forces Squadron. The thing about the Air Guard is that Guard units belong to the State, whilst Reserve units don't, so the types of duties that they will perform often are different. Guard units can be mobilized by the Governor for Natural Disastors within the State, while Reserve units are Federal troops and work only Federal Programs. Reserve units often fall into alignment with Active Duty Security Force Squadrons, Reserve Security Forces Sq are either UE(Unit Equiped) or Associate (assigned to a base and fall under the Active Duty Wing). The type of training and responsibilities that they carry out depend on what kind of unit they are. Hopefully this gives you a bit more information.

Scorpion34 OUT!
Link Posted: 7/28/2005 7:20:32 PM EDT
yes, thank you, good info!
Link Posted: 7/28/2005 7:35:28 PM EDT
Being former army, being a security cop is a snap. All you do is walk around stealing gloves and personal items from maintanence guys and then go back to your work area and steal a soda and candy bar from the snack bar. Occasionally, you walk around and steal things off peoples desks and out of their lockers. The key work seems to involve stealing.

One of my best friends is an SP, when he went to ask his boss about gloves for cold weather the guy told him,,,,,,,"just steal them from maintenance, that's what we always do." It is funny, until you work in maintenance.

The upside for your idea of a career change, the unit here is probably 40% civilian LEO. That seems to be the norm for air guard units.
Link Posted: 7/29/2005 9:36:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By lonegunman:
Being former army, being a security cop is a snap. All you do is walk around stealing gloves and personal items from maintanence guys and then go back to your work area and steal a soda and candy bar from the snack bar. Occasionally, you walk around and steal things off peoples desks and out of their lockers. The key work seems to involve stealing.

One of my best friends is an SP, when he went to ask his boss about gloves for cold weather the guy told him,,,,,,,"just steal them from maintenance, that's what we always do." It is funny, until you work in maintenance.

The upside for your idea of a career change, the unit here is probably 40% civilian LEO. That seems to be the norm for air guard units.



Link Posted: 7/29/2005 9:38:27 PM EDT
Ya want info on what it's like being a Security Forces troop, check out the very best web site on the www for all AP's/SP's & SF troops.

http://afsp.net/
Link Posted: 7/29/2005 10:01:12 PM EDT
With your best poker face try and say, " I never stole anything from anyone while I have been in the security forces career field." No laughing,,,,, glove thief.
Link Posted: 7/30/2005 6:55:57 AM EDT
I never stole any gloves, I just waited for someone to leave them laying around. Then when I made rank I went and bought Hatch Operators. I cant believe over the years how much gear Ive found laying around. If I see it and no one claims it, it goes straight to one of my troops. READY augmentees are great about leaving shit around.
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 3:30:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/8/2005 3:31:13 PM EDT by DogOffLeash]

Originally Posted By DefensorFortis:
I never stole any gloves, I just waited for someone to leave them laying around. hen


Ditto.

I've never "stole" a damn thing in my AF career - "acquireing" is a different story all together!

Shrike, great plug for the site LOL!

Phil
Link Posted: 8/8/2005 6:14:30 PM EDT
Everybody always picking on the READYs. When I was an augee, I had to laugh at a few SF guys who didn't know how to work an assault sling! Heard one saying he hit a vehicle outside of Balad, with a M4, at like "750 meters". When I rased the flag, he said the optical sight he was using (Aimpoint) was just that good. Some peoples kids...
Link Posted: 8/9/2005 8:51:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/9/2005 8:52:13 PM EDT by DogOffLeash]
I've got no problems with the Readys as long as they stay in their lane.

I won't stand for a Ready to try to tell me how to work my dog, just as any mechanic shouldn't let me try to tell them how to work on an aircraft/finance troop shouldn't let me try to tell them how to do finance things/etc etc etc.

Other than the ones who instantly know everything there is to know about being an SP within seconds of being told what time to show up for their first Guardmount, I've got no beef with the Readys. Hell, most of 'em are decent folks, turn out to be good at the job, and I've made some great pals that way. I also can honestly appreciate their help.

Oh and Darkstar, don't make me start telling Auggie-Doggie stories...hug.gif
Link Posted: 8/11/2005 11:25:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/11/2005 11:26:39 AM EDT by Darkstar117]

Originally Posted By DogOffLeash:
I've got no problems with the Readys as long as they stay in their lane.

I won't stand for a Ready to try to tell me how to work my dog, just as any mechanic shouldn't let me try to tell them how to work on an aircraft/finance troop shouldn't let me try to tell them how to do finance things/etc etc etc.

Other than the ones who instantly know everything there is to know about being an SP within seconds of being told what time to show up for their first Guardmount, I've got no beef with the Readys. Hell, most of 'em are decent folks, turn out to be good at the job, and I've made some great pals that way. I also can honestly appreciate their help.

Oh and Darkstar, don't make me start telling Auggie-Doggie stories...



Completly agreed. But, why the hell would anyone tell you how to work your MWD. I never had the gumption to be within teeth range of them, let alone talk by them. Anytime they "locked on" to me I just wanted to back off a litlte. I was the "suspect" in a MWD demo. Dogs got respect after that.

ETA: forgot how to spell "little"
Link Posted: 8/14/2005 2:16:05 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Darkstar117:
Completly agreed. But, why the hell would anyone tell you how to work your MWD....



Brother, you'd be surprised....

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