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Posted: 9/29/2006 7:41:33 PM EST
I kind of wonder, what percentage of the American adult male population would have sex with a child if they were reasonably certain they wouldn't get caught.  

It doesn't seem like you can just say they're all animals, etc.  Because they catch what seem to be guys from all walks of life.  School principals, a Marine Corps sniper, a rabbi, a doctor, etc.  People that outside of being a pedophile seem to live normal lives.  It kind of makes me wonder.
Link Posted: 9/29/2006 7:44:03 PM EST
[#1]
Men are pigs
Link Posted: 9/29/2006 7:51:17 PM EST
[#2]
I would bet you know at least a couple of guys that would. Sad but true, when people are anonymous they are apt to do things that they would never consider if they thougth they would get caught.
Link Posted: 9/29/2006 7:51:50 PM EST
[#3]

Quoted:
Men are pigs


I blame god for making our urge to use our privates so out of control
Link Posted: 9/29/2006 7:52:04 PM EST
[#4]
I want to know if they follow a set of procedures that would allow all of the show's interaction with the perv to useable in a courtroom.

Don't TV shows have to get a waiver before putting an individual on-air?
Link Posted: 9/29/2006 7:53:08 PM EST
[#5]
Link Posted: 9/29/2006 7:54:54 PM EST
[#6]

Quoted:

Don't TV shows have to get a waiver before putting an individual on-air?


there is no way that all of those guys signed a waiver like that
Link Posted: 9/29/2006 7:55:43 PM EST
[#7]

When they get arrested after the sting, what exactly do they get charged with?  Conspiracy to commit statutory rape?  Something along those lines?
Link Posted: 9/29/2006 7:56:52 PM EST
[#8]
they even caught a Homeland Security cop on one show
Link Posted: 9/29/2006 7:59:25 PM EST
[#9]
enticement of a minor over the internet is normally the name of the law. I think the federal version is a 5 year mandatory sentence.
Link Posted: 9/29/2006 8:01:12 PM EST
[#10]

Quoted:
Is that all Dateline does now?


They can do it 24/7......the more the better.....The less of them out there..
Link Posted: 9/29/2006 8:02:45 PM EST
[#11]

Quoted:
When they get arrested after the sting, what exactly do they get charged with?  Conspiracy to commit statutory rape?  Something along those lines?


I think it's something like that.  I think I've also heard them mention "enticing a minor to...blah blah" or "unlawful sexual conduct".  Hopefully at least enough to get them registered as sex offenders.  

I've read that they pay those perverted justice people like $100,000 to help them out.
Link Posted: 9/29/2006 8:02:59 PM EST
[#12]
I literally almost threw up when that Marine Scout/Sniper was shown......... Seriously, that infuriated me so bad.

Here I am, waiting to get in SO fucking bad, and then this shithead is shown.

And a few weeks ago when they had some Lieutenant on there..... I was appauled.

Shows like that really make you question people doesn't it?
Link Posted: 9/29/2006 8:03:26 PM EST
[#13]
Actually you can call your local PD and tell them you want to help, alot of times they will meet with you and do a background and then put you to work, you won't get paid of course, BUT you can bag a few predators and feel good about it.
Link Posted: 9/29/2006 8:05:27 PM EST
[#14]
did ya'll see the one where they caught one guy twice in 2 days? he got ambushed in the house like everyone else, he got the usual treatment and then ran out. They started trolling again that nite and guess who was back online?

they had him meet at a Mcdonald's parking lot, the look on his face when he saw them AGAIN was priceless.

some guys never learn.
Link Posted: 9/29/2006 8:06:14 PM EST
[#15]
I still think it's a rather small percentage (I have to).

I meet and talk to pretty, attractive (Under-aged) females everyday and I'M not tripping over myself trying to seduce them.

Those dude's caught in those stings are snakes, always trying to snuff-out vulnerabilities and weakness' they see in themselves by reflecting their sense of "Manhood" in thier ability to conquer children (Or otherwise vulnerable females).

What we used to call "Needle-dicks".

Those f**ksticks "THINK" that, if they can "Master" someone with NO point of refference that, they're "All that and a bag of chips" (To themselves for a little while at least).

I can kick the living sh*t out of most 12 yr olds at chess.....Doesn't make me much of a chess player though.  My ethics/morals constantly remind me of that.  In the case of THOSE dudes though there's a disconnect and frankly, I think it's a dangerous enough disconnect to warrant removing them from circulation 'till they're using walkers to get around.

I LIVE with a sociopath.  He's all of 3 1/2LBS and happens to be a puppy  I tell him not to do things (Like eat off my plate! lol) and, as long as I'm there to observe his behavior he's the model of (Good) behavior.

I get-up to take a piss though and it's anything goes ('cause he doesn't "Think" I'll notice that he's been chewing on my dinner)

I'd like to think that the "average" American guy operates at a little higher standard than my dog does as far as having a developed super-ego goes.
Link Posted: 9/29/2006 8:07:30 PM EST
[#16]

Quoted:
did ya'll see the one where they caught one guy twice in 2 days? he got ambushed in the house like everyone else, he got the usual treatment and then ran out. They started trolling again that nite and guess who was back online?

they had him meet at a Mcdonald's parking lot, the look on his face when he saw them AGAIN was priceless.

some guys never learn.


Yes!  I forgot about that guy.  Man, his privates must just be driving him insane, 24/7.
Link Posted: 9/29/2006 8:08:32 PM EST
[#17]
What gets me is this. Why do they pick kids? If they just want a piece of ass, there is alot of ass to be had for little if any work. Go to a bar, find the lonely girl drinking and make her feel good about herself and you're gonna get head in the parking lot and laid if you want. Hooking up over the internet is easy! One of my buddies years ago banged a different chick or chicks every week, and a couple were good looking to boot!
Link Posted: 9/29/2006 8:48:07 PM EST
[#18]

Quoted:

Quoted:
did ya'll see the one where they caught one guy twice in 2 days? he got ambushed in the house like everyone else, he got the usual treatment and then ran out. They started trolling again that nite and guess who was back online?

they had him meet at a Mcdonald's parking lot, the look on his face when he saw them AGAIN was priceless.

some guys never learn.


Yes!  I forgot about that guy.  Man, his privates must just be driving him insane, 24/7.



Ya know, I can understand the desire for sex.

Can be really distracting and a driving force in your life.

But when I look at girls who are barely developed enough to be considered pubescent it kinda makes me sick to try and think that way.  17 y/o would be a different story, but I am married and faithful, if she was pushing these guys I could understand better the attraction.  But 12, 13?  Time for a lead enema.
Link Posted: 9/29/2006 8:54:43 PM EST
[#19]

Quoted:


But when I look at girls who are barely developed enough to be considered pubescent it kinda makes me sick to try and think that way.  17 y/o would be a different story, but I am married and faithful, if she was pushing these guys I could understand better the attraction.  But 12, 13?  Time for a lead enema.
+1 to that.  17 or 18?  sure!



any younger...  nope.  in fact, hell no!  


it's a disease. those guys that get off to children are sick.  normal people don't view kids as sexual objects.  
Link Posted: 9/30/2006 6:37:56 AM EST
[#20]
OPIE & ANTHONY had Chris Mathews on and did a real good interview with him about this subject. Chris said they don't have to get a release, Because this falls into the NEWS category.  And that these guys are traveling long distance to meet these girls. Some as fare as 300 miles. Last night they had a guy that drove 3+ hours. And boy what a surprise he got.

I think this is a good thing that they got L.E. involved. The first few they did the cops where not involved till later. Long after they could have relocated. I say bust them all.These guys have a real problem. And need help.

Dateline has many of these still to air. And that they we're leaving the best for last. I can only imagine what the last few are going to be.

Stay tunned!!
Link Posted: 9/30/2006 6:46:43 AM EST
[#21]

   I literally almost threw up when that Marine Scout/Sniper was shown......... Seriously, that infuriated me so bad.                                                                    


Yea, they took his ass down fast. The only thing that may save his ass on a gun charge is that it was locked. I am only guessing that he's looking at a Court Marshal.

Soon to be a opening on a Sniper team.
Link Posted: 9/30/2006 6:51:30 AM EST
[#22]

Quoted:
did ya'll see the one where they caught one guy twice in 2 days? he got ambushed in the house like everyone else, he got the usual treatment and then ran out. They started trolling again that nite and guess who was back online?

they had him meet at a Mcdonald's parking lot, the look on his face when he saw them AGAIN was priceless.

some guys never learn.


pedophiles have one of the highest recividist rates.  They can't seem to stop their behavior.  That's why the cops resort to keeping publicly accessible databases of their names and faces and in some places have to tell their neighbors they're convicted pederasts.  If they'v abused kids once they are almost 100% guaranteed to do it again.
Link Posted: 9/30/2006 7:02:59 AM EST
[#23]

Quoted:

Quoted:
did ya'll see the one where they caught one guy twice in 2 days? he got ambushed in the house like everyone else, he got the usual treatment and then ran out. They started trolling again that nite and guess who was back online?

they had him meet at a Mcdonald's parking lot, the look on his face when he saw them AGAIN was priceless.

some guys never learn.


pedophiles have one of the highest recividist rates.  They can't seem to stop their behavior.  That's why the cops resort to keeping publicly accessible databases of their names and faces and in some places have to tell their neighbors they're convicted pederasts.  If they'v abused kids once they are almost 100% guaranteed to do it again.


I agree 100% with all of the above, and why I have No faith in our criminal justice system. I believe in keeping kids safe, and if a bullet to the back of the head is the only way to be sure, well then it should be made law!!!

If your convicted with out a doubt (so many are so stupid there is NO doubt!!) then they should be dragged out behind the court house and Boom!!! .357 behind the head right fucking now!!!! Hell even the Bible says it's okay...
Link Posted: 9/30/2006 7:08:35 AM EST
[#24]
I think a lot of people have sexual fantasies that are unacceptable to do in real life, and the internet blurs the line between reality and  make-believe.
Link Posted: 9/30/2006 7:18:21 AM EST
[#25]

Quoted:
EDIT: NOT ALL Men are pigs!
Link Posted: 9/30/2006 7:23:17 AM EST
[#26]

Quoted:
When they get arrested after the sting, what exactly do they get charged with?  Conspiracy to commit statutory rape?  Something along those lines?


It's call Importuning here in Ohio.

§ 2907.07. Importuning.

(A)  No person shall solicit a person who is less than thirteen years of age to engage in sexual activity with the offender, whether or not the offender knows the age of such person.

(B)  No person shall solicit another, not the spouse of the offender, to engage in sexual conduct with the offender, when the offender is eighteen years of age or older and four or more years older than the other person, and the other person is thirteen years of age or older but less than sixteen years of age, whether or not the offender knows the age of the other person.

(C)  No person shall solicit another by means of a telecommunications device, as defined in section 2913.01 of the Revised Code, to engage in sexual activity with the offender when the offender is eighteen years of age or older and either of the following applies:

(1) The other person is less than thirteen years of age, and the offender knows that the other person is less than thirteen years of age or is reckless in that regard.

(2) The other person is a law enforcement officer posing as a person who is less than thirteen years of age, and the offender believes that the other person is less than thirteen years of age or is reckless in that regard.  

Theres more but thats the main part.
Link Posted: 9/30/2006 7:52:43 AM EST
[#27]

Quoted:

Quoted:
When they get arrested after the sting, what exactly do they get charged with?  Conspiracy to commit statutory rape?  Something along those lines?


It's call Importuning here in Ohio.

§ 2907.07. Importuning.

(A)  No person shall solicit a person who is less than thirteen years of age to engage in sexual activity with the offender, whether or not the offender knows the age of such person.

(B)  No person shall solicit another, not the spouse of the offender, to engage in sexual conduct with the offender, when the offender is eighteen years of age or older and four or more years older than the other person, and the other person is thirteen years of age or older but less than sixteen years of age, whether or not the offender knows the age of the other person.

(C)  No person shall solicit another by means of a telecommunications device, as defined in section 2913.01 of the Revised Code, to engage in sexual activity with the offender when the offender is eighteen years of age or older and either of the following applies:

(1) The other person is less than thirteen years of age, and the offender knows that the other person is less than thirteen years of age or is reckless in that regard.

(2) The other person is a law enforcement officer posing as a person who is less than thirteen years of age, and the offender believes that the other person is less than thirteen years of age or is reckless in that regard.  

Theres more but thats the main part.



This is interesting, is this considered a felony since no sex actually occured? And does this give them Sex Offender status, mandating them to register their location when they move??

Or is this some kind of 'slap on the wrist'??  I ask because that Karr guy who made the news a couple of weeks ago over the Jon Bonnett case was only looking at Misdemeanor charges for the kiddie porn on his computer in California, which it looks like he's going to walk on btw.
It will be a sad day if that sick basturd ends up walking totally free on the street, in my mind it will only be a matter of time till he carries out his fantasies....

Link Posted: 9/30/2006 6:04:45 PM EST
[#28]
AJE: I wonder what the CA,FL code says? Since they have been doing this a lot there. Maybe there laws a little tougher, or have a loop hole for Dateline to help them snare this scum?

I have noticed that all these perp's say about the same story. "I'm only here to talk". And that there decoy made sure to tell them to bring condoms.  I wonder if that by anyway makes the condoms a criminal tool?? And when Mathews says "You did now that the girl said she's only 13, right?" That must make it a close door case. I would only hope.

Maybe it is the internet that has brought these guys out of the wood work. But there is not a day goes by that you don't here about this. Form big cities to small towns.
Link Posted: 9/30/2006 6:21:39 PM EST
[#29]
AZMAN-1
I think Karr needed a fast ticket out of there. Thinking that his goose was cooked if he had to stay. And what better way to get a First Class plane ride back to the "good old USA". Than to come up with a whooper of a story that sounded GREAT. And Yes, he will most likely walk on the CA charges. Where in Thailand he was declared  unfit for there country. And Pow, he was deported in less that 72 hrs. We should take a page from the code!!

Whats it take 10-15 years to get them out of this country??? And thats if we can find them when it comes time.  

Huuuuhaaa my head hurts thinking about it. Reform,Reform,Reform.
Link Posted: 9/30/2006 6:35:35 PM EST
[#30]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
did ya'll see the one where they caught one guy twice in 2 days? he got ambushed in the house like everyone else, he got the usual treatment and then ran out. They started trolling again that nite and guess who was back online?

they had him meet at a Mcdonald's parking lot, the look on his face when he saw them AGAIN was priceless.

some guys never learn.


pedophiles have one of the highest recividist rates.  They can't seem to stop their behavior.  That's why the cops resort to keeping publicly accessible databases of their names and faces and in some places have to tell their neighbors they're convicted pederasts.  If they'v abused kids once they are almost 100% guaranteed to do it again.


I agree 100% with all of the above, and why I have No faith in our criminal justice system. I believe in keeping kids safe, and if a bullet to the back of the head is the only way to be sure, well then it should be made law!!!

If your convicted with out a doubt (so many are so stupid there is NO doubt!!) then they should be dragged out behind the court house and Boom!!! .357 behind the head right fucking now!!!! Hell even the Bible says it's okay...






The Bible says no such thing . . . it says that they should have a millstone hung around their necks and thrown into the depths of the ocean!

Get it right!
Link Posted: 9/30/2006 6:35:57 PM EST
[#31]
The scary thing...  The 20+ guys they get to drive there every show; they found online THAT day.  
Most of the asshats live within 100 miles of the house.

Now, thats on any given night.

Link Posted: 9/30/2006 6:38:52 PM EST
[#32]

Quoted:
The scary thing...  The 20+ guys they get to drive there every show; they found online THAT day.  
Most of the asshats live within 100 miles of the house.

Now, thats on any given night.



Yeah, AND the fact that they've been running these shows for about a year now (So these dickweeds should have a clue).  Makes your skin crawl to think what's out there.
Link Posted: 9/30/2006 7:17:49 PM EST
[#33]
I think it really depends on what age you are talking about.  Anything less than 12, they percentage would be very low.  12-15 still pretty low I would think, but 16-17 I think the number would probably increase a decent amount.
Link Posted: 9/30/2006 7:27:04 PM EST
[#34]
I haven't had sex with a 12 year old girl since I was about 7 or 8.
Link Posted: 10/29/2006 2:08:17 AM EST
[#35]

I watched a Dateline special on this again last night.  

You know what absolutely kills me about this show?  


  • That any of these guys actually think a 13-year old virgin would want to have sex with them.  One guy on last night was probably 50 years old and weighed about 350-400lbs.  Disgusting.  Why would he think a cute young girl would want to lose her virginity to him?  Idiot.

  • That any of these guys actually believe someone who says they are a 13-year old virgin on the internet is telling the truth.  I don't ever participate in chat rooms on the internet, but I would have had a hard time believing that line even long before Dateline started airing these specials.  I know people lie on the internet, especially about things like that.  How have these guys not figured that out?  Again, idiots.

Link Posted: 10/29/2006 2:14:47 AM EST
[#36]
If I made the laws a guy with a rope would show up at the end of each show and hang the fuckers
Link Posted: 10/29/2006 2:28:21 AM EST
[#37]

Quoted:
they even caught a Homeland Security cop on one show


I'm so shocked....................can't you tell by the look on my face?
Link Posted: 10/29/2006 2:52:51 AM EST
[#38]
There are tons of guys out there that will do it without caring what might happen.

One of my last days in the Marine Corps, I was sitting around the barracks talking to a buddy of mine who was on duty. Suddenly, MPs, NCIS guys, and half of the unit brass shows up(evidently they called everyone but the DNCO).

A guy's room had been inspected by his section while he was at work. He had a 14 year-old-girl asleep in there. We had some time to discuss it, and we figured that maybe she was one of those girls that looked 18. There are many like that in SoCal. But not this one. If I had seen her on the street, I'd have guessed she was twelve.  

There are more guys than you'd believe out there waiting for the chance.
Link Posted: 10/29/2006 3:04:53 AM EST
[#39]
I actually heard a comedian say this on live TV:

"That's why it's illegal. Otherwise, everyone would do it."
Link Posted: 10/29/2006 3:16:50 AM EST
[#40]
Why did they have a Secret Service agent in the room during interrogation?

I thought the Secret Service dealt with Presidental security and counterfieting.


Every so often I check the state website for pictures of  convicted child molesters in my area. In the last several years I have worked around 4 convicted perverts. It makes me think this problem maybe be bigger than I realized.

I don't think killing them right at the end of the show is the answer. They should go to prison for awhile and get some "shower time", then hang their perverted asses.
Link Posted: 10/29/2006 3:43:30 AM EST
[#41]
I'm glad they are doing these shows. The law won't allow these perverts to be killed on site. It only allows them to be sentenced to short prison terms and fined.

I am glad these asshats have to face public humiliation as well. This way all of their friends and co workers know what a scumbag they really are.
Link Posted: 10/29/2006 4:12:57 AM EST
[#42]

Quoted:
I kind of wonder, what percentage of the American adult male population would have sex with a child if they were reasonably certain they wouldn't get caught.  

It doesn't seem like you can just say they're all animals, etc.  Because they catch what seem to be guys from all walks of life.  School principals, a Marine Corps sniper, a rabbi, a doctor, etc.  People that outside of being a pedophile seem to live normal lives.  It kind of makes me wonder.


I got news for you , if you're trying to have sex with little kids you are an animal and you are not normal.
The "normal life" they portray is the front for their scum bag activities.
Link Posted: 10/29/2006 4:37:05 AM EST
[#43]
I don't remember if this was on one of the dateline shows or something local, but one of these sick fucks showed up with rope and duct tape
Link Posted: 10/29/2006 4:56:21 AM EST
[#44]

Quoted:
I kind of wonder, what percentage of the American adult male population would have sex with a child if they were reasonably certain they wouldn't get caught.  

It doesn't seem like you can just say they're all animals, etc.  Because they catch what seem to be guys from all walks of life.  School principals, a Marine Corps sniper, a rabbi, a doctor, etc.  People that outside of being a pedophile seem to live normal lives.  It kind of makes me wonder.


They are somewhat like what you would think of as serial killers.  Unknown numbers of what would be serial killers are stopped very early and don't get labelled as such because they suck at being a criminal.  Therefore they don't get to fulfill their "serial" potential.  The pedophiles that get stopped and you end up seeing them as otherwise normal people are very good at masking their behavior.  They appear so "normal" because it is a facade that they have cultivated and learned well;  it allows them to be highly successful at what they really want to do.  As opposed to the freakshow that might grab a kid on an opportunistic basis and then has his mugshot shown on the news and everybody thinks that he looks like a perv.
Link Posted: 10/29/2006 5:08:49 AM EST
[#45]
There is an extensive website devoted to tracking down internet predators called

http://www.perverted-justice.com/

Over there you can read the chat logs with countless perverts who proposition volunteers posing as young teens. They don't really "entrap" them, just write like bored young teens looking for conversation in regional general interest chatrooms, and wait for the pervert to bring up the subject of sex.
Link Posted: 10/29/2006 5:21:55 AM EST
[#46]
I've never watched that show. What are the ages of the "bait girls?"



eta: 12-13? WTF?
Link Posted: 10/29/2006 5:28:02 AM EST
[#47]

Quoted:
Is that all Dateline does now?



I believe so.

No wonder they call it DATEline.
Link Posted: 10/29/2006 5:48:45 AM EST
[#48]

Quoted:
I kind of wonder, what percentage of the American adult male population would have sex with a child if they were reasonably certain they wouldn't get caught.  


What is your definition of "adult male" and "child"?  

Is adult male 18 yo+ and child 17 yo and under?  Is a child someone who is 20 but pretending to be 14 yo?  Is it a crime when a 20 year old who is pretending to be a 13 year old entraps someone 18 yo+?

Why didn't you also say "adult female" and "child"?  In your mind is it ok for an adult female to have sex with an underage male, while you will cry bloody murder when it is reversed?

Link Posted: 10/29/2006 5:52:17 AM EST
[#49]

Quoted:
I've never watched that show. What are the ages of the "bait girls?"



eta: 12-13? WTF?


Not always.  Sometimes the "bait girls" are 15 and 16.  That bothers me a bit because everyday you can see 15/16 year old girls that look like they are 18 to 20 years old.  

It still stupid and wrong for a guy to go meet them once he finds out how old they are.  I think it's wrong for the show to go trolling the net with girls that look legal to begin with and only after chatting them up can you find out how old they really are.  Many guys from this site have been on HotOrNot.com.  It is an 18 or old site.  Guess what what, there are girls way younger than that on that site.  I've run into a couple myself.  As soon as I found out their real age I stopped talking to them.  The guys that continue on, talk about sex, and actually show up at a house deserve what they get, but the show should not be using girls that close to legal either.

Now the guys going after the 12 and 13 year old girls are the predators that need to be targeted because no matter how dressed a 12 year old is she isn't going to look 20.  There is no excuse for that type of behavior and every one of those guys needs to be removed from society.
Link Posted: 10/29/2006 5:59:05 AM EST
[#50]
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