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Posted: 5/18/2002 9:37:21 PM EDT
The bill (H.R. 4101) has been sent to The Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland Security.  
Depending on what happens in the subcommittee, the bill may go back to the Judiciary and then to the House floor for a vote.

Below are the members of The Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland Security.    


Mr. Smith, Chairman, TX
Mr. Green, WI
Mr. Coble, NC
Mr. Goodlatte, VA
Mr.Chabot, OH
Mr. Barr, GA
Mr. Keller, FL


Mr. Delahunt, MA
Mr. Schiff, CA
Mr. Scott, VA
Ms. Jackson Lee, TX
Mr. Meehan, MA

If ANY of these people are your rep, (or you live in their state), write, call, or fax them ASAP. We have the ability to make sure this thing doesn't see the light of day (particularly if we make our voice heard right now...during an election cycle).

Contact info can be found at... [url]www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW.html[/url]

If it passes we only have ourselves to blame.

Link Posted: 5/18/2002 9:47:05 PM EDT
For those who are not up to speed on this issue, you can read about it at... [url]www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?id=110493[/url]
Link Posted: 5/18/2002 9:50:37 PM EDT
Thanks for the update.
Link Posted: 5/18/2002 9:52:01 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 4:02:18 AM EDT
Contact contact now !!!!!!BTT[argue]
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 4:48:48 AM EDT
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Sorry, my IM doesn't transmit!

Eric The(WhatBoo?)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 8:46:25 AM EDT
A note to the mods... could you please tack this thread to the top of the forum for a little while?

Link Posted: 5/19/2002 8:51:20 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 8:53:47 AM EDT
Why do we have ourselves to blame?  Do you honestly think we have that much control over Congress?  You still live in matrix-like reality that they want you to see--the one where American democracy still functions and politicians actually read the letters from their constituents.  If the bill gets killed, it will be because some personal friend of a friend in GOA or the NRA had lunch with a Congressman or one of his aides and explain to him that corporate CEO X likes skeet shooting and the mail order ammo ban is going to piss him off and he will be less likely to contribute money to the Congressman.

Get it?
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 12:00:39 PM EDT
It will pass. The GOP, in order to look like they are tough on terrorism (i.e. to get VOTES) will give excuses like it is a small price to pay for security and legitimate sportsmen have no reason to object to the law.

Business as usual.
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 12:12:27 PM EDT
I live half way in the middle of nowhere.
I get all of my ammo delivered. This would really hurt!
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 3:41:26 PM EDT
So trickshot, what would you suggest we do???

Nothing is my guess.  [rolleyes]
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 3:54:52 PM EDT
So trickshot, what would you suggest we do???

Nothing is my guess.  [rolleyes]
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Ummmmm btt For those who really care I got ya NY [:)]
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 3:57:46 PM EDT
Please people if you order on line or any other way you recieve ammo or components by mail you better get on the horn babbbbbbyyyyy this could end as we know it .!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Link Posted: 5/19/2002 8:42:54 PM EDT
I want to explain what I mean when I say, "If it passes, we only have ourselves to blame," or put another way... We get the government that we deserve.

Pre 9/11 estimates were that some 80 million Americans own firearms. Add another million or two who were motivated to become gun owners by the terrorist attacks, and we are talking about roughly a third of the population who should be concerned about anti gun legislation.

Yet the NRA currently has about four and a half million members, which works out to [b]only about 5% of ALL gun owners.[/b]

Now I'm not one of those people who think that the sun rises and sets with the NRA. Far from it.

I am merely using their membership numbers to illustrate that if we were ever able to truly mobilize and utilize our vast, and untapped political strength, we would begin to see the changes that we all wish for... the repeal of unconstitutional gun laws!

Instead, it has been my experience that we are seemingly Balkanized and apathetic beyond hope; and that [b]WE[/b] are ultimately to blame for all of the illegal laws that are passed.

You know the old story... Hunters only care that their deer rifles are not targeted. Trap and skeet shooters only care about their shotguns. Target shooters aren't concerned about gun control. After all, who could see their expensive single shot paper punchers as a threat to public safety? You get the picture.

Even on these forums, which are dedicated to the ownership and use of the most demonized of firearms… [b]the evil assault weapon[/b], it is an up hill battle to get some members motivated.  
People will post endlessly on the virtues of one weapons system over another, and discussions will go on for days over the most trivial of crap, but ask many of these same people to write or call their elected officials, and the feedback is disappointing, to say the least.

Politicians like Waxman, Schumer, and Fienstine may be socialists, be they are still politicians who need to win re-election, and answer to the demands of their constituencies.

Their anti-gun agendas would shrivel up and blow away if even half of all American gun owners would speak in a unified, uncompromising way, and [b]DEMAND[/b] that these politicians take their oaths to the Constitution seriously.

Link Posted: 5/20/2002 5:24:09 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/20/2002 10:25:14 AM EDT
I contacted NFIB asking for their support, I also faxed Representative Rick Boucher and Senators Mark Warner and  George Allen.

Link Posted: 5/20/2002 12:02:37 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/20/2002 8:51:03 PM EDT
If this Bull Sh*$ passes Im done,I think I will lose it!
Link Posted: 5/20/2002 9:17:54 PM EDT
Brouhaha, bill number is HR 4101.

Lamar Smith, the chairman, is MY representative.  I hope my letter did something.
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You sure it's HR 4101?  The only text I can find on H.R. 4101 is about dairy farmers.

God Bless Texas
Link Posted: 5/20/2002 9:29:09 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/20/2002 9:31:37 PM EDT
Shit, i don't know of any place in Az that sells Q3131a!
Link Posted: 5/20/2002 9:53:40 PM EDT

H.R. 4101 is the correct bill #
Link Posted: 5/20/2002 10:06:16 PM EDT
Thanks NYPatriot.

From the bill:
Sponsor: Rep Crowley, Joseph(introduced 4/9/2002)
Latest Major Action: 5/6/2002 Referred to House subcommittee. Latest Status: Referred to the Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland Security.
Title: To amend title 18, United States Code, to require firearms, ammunition, and explosives purchases to be made in person and to require records to be kept of the means by which the purchases are made.
STATUS: (color indicates Senate actions)
Referred to the House Committee on the Judiciary.
Referred to the Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland Security. [/B]

If this passes, then we get screwed.  It looks to me like we will effectively lose the one good thing Reagan got us in signing the 1986 NFA legislation.

God Bless Texas
Link Posted: 5/21/2002 1:17:45 AM EDT
1. called Lamar Smith.

2. emailed Sheila Lee Jackson

3. mailed a plea to my shooting friends to contact their reps or Mr. Smith
Link Posted: 5/21/2002 11:01:11 AM EDT
Way to go Tate!

Keep it up folks!
Link Posted: 5/22/2002 3:33:16 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/22/2002 6:34:05 AM EDT
Unfortunately, my Congressperson at the moment is Cynthia (the Bushes allowed 9/11 so they could make money) McKinney, the Congress's resident nut case, so I tried to contact Rep. Bob Barr's web site, since he's on the committe and a proven champion of our rights.  Apparently, his web site is set up to only accept e mail from zip codes in his district. Will get w/the post office and see if I can figure out a zip that the site will accept.

Anyone else have a problem contacting congressmen from districts other than where they lived?
Link Posted: 5/22/2002 7:38:52 AM EDT
I called the NRA-ILA grass roots hotline, as I saw no reference to it on their web site.  The guy I talked to was unaware of the bill, and after he read it said that it had little chance of surviving.  

Y'all might want to call and let the NRA you are worried about this, as they don't seem to be.

800-392-8683 - NR-ILA Grassroots Hotline
Link Posted: 5/22/2002 11:45:51 AM EDT
I contacted NFIB asking for their support, I also faxed Representative Rick Boucher and Senators Mark Warner and  George Allen.

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Do report what they say?
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I have recieved a call from the VA NFIB state director and he said the he would examine the bill and see if NFIB could have some influence at state level. I also recieved this email from NFIB's national headquarters:
Dear Mr.Stiltner:

Thank you for contacting NFIB regarding your views on HR 4101,
Electronic Commerce Crime Prevention and Protection Act.

NFIB is truly a member driven organization, and the data gained through the Member Ballot is the compass that guides us in our advocacy
efforts on behalf of small businesses.  As you may know, not all trade associations regularly poll their membership in order to gauge policy positions.
In fact, many organizations rely upon a Board of Directors or an executive lobbying team to determine what is best for their membership.
NFIB feels that our unique policy-setting tool gives NFIB more credibility with Members
of Congress, because lawmakers know that our positions are directly decided by the small business owners whom we represent.  

Currently we don't have a position on this issue but we are going to examine it closely.  As always, NFIB will continue to monitor legislative issues important to the small business community.  

Again, thank you for sharing your thoughts, and we appreciate your continued support of NFIB.  We attribute much of our success to our concerned and vocal membership, and look forward to your future involvement and valuable
input as we strive to achieve the Small Business Growth Agenda in Washington, D.C. and throughout the country.

John C. Bertuna
Legislative Services Representative
Link Posted: 5/23/2002 11:53:13 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/23/2002 10:02:23 PM EDT
Currently we don't have a position on this issue but we are going to examine it closely. As always, NFIB will continue to monitor legislative issues important to the small business community.
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Translation: [b]Some of our members are local ammo suppliers that support this bill; others are mail order suppliers that oppose it.[/b]

Not sure I would count on receiving any help from this group.
Link Posted: 5/28/2002 11:42:18 AM EDT
Anyone received a reply to their letters or E-mail???

I sent mine about 3-4 weeks ago, and still no answers.
Link Posted: 5/30/2002 8:52:22 AM EDT
I received another call from the state NFIB director, Gordon Dixon, and he told me he had been in contact with NFIB's congressional lobbyists and as far as they can tell the bill[red] [b]will not pass[/b][/red]! It is being highly protested and is receiving little support.

Thought you might like to hear this.

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