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Posted: 8/7/2002 4:35:01 AM EDT
[url]http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-376516,00.html[/url]
THE US Congress has been warned that President Bush’s proposed attack on Iraq could escalate into a nuclear conflict. An assessment of Iraq’s capabilities says that the US is unlikely to knock out many, if any, of President Saddam Hussein’s mobile missile-launchers in a first wave of airstrikes. It raises the possibility of Baghdad hitting an Israeli city with a missile carrying biological agents, saying that Saddam is likely to use chemical and biological weapons. Israel’s likely reaction would be nuclear ground bursts against every Iraqi city not already occupied by US-led coalition forces. Senators were told that, unlike the 1991 Gulf War, when Washington urged Israel not to retaliate against Iraqi missile strikes, Israeli leaders have decided that their credibility would be hurt if they failed to react this time. The assessment was written by Anthony Cordesman, a former Pentagon and State Department official now with the Washington-based Centre for Strategic and International Studies. He was a witness before last week’s Senate Foreign Relations Committee, and chosen to open a national debate on the looming Iraqi conflict. He queried the ability of US forces to use pre-emptive airstrikes to cripple Iraq’s mobile launchers, which would be used for chemical or biological weapons. Donald Rumsfeld, the US Defence Secretary, has alluded to the problems of locating the launchers. Referring to the Gulf War, Mr Cordesman said that, despite contrary claims, the US had not detected most Iraqi chemical, biological, radiological and nuclear weapons and missile capabilities. US and British forces also had “no meaningful success” in finding Scud missile sites, nor were the airstrikes of Operation Desert Fox in 1998, after the departure of UN weapons inspectors, successful. “It’s likely, therefore, that Iraq could succeed in launching some CBRN strikes against US coalition forces, targets in neighbouring states, and / or Israel.”It could take days to characterise biological agents. “Even US forces would only be able to firmly characterise dissemination by observing the lethal effects,” he said. The United Nations secretary-general, Kofi Annan, rejected conditions set by Baghdad for new talks and told Iraq last night he was waiting for a “formal invitation” for UN weapons inspectors to return. Mr Annan said in a letter to Iraq’s foreign minister that new talks must focus on “practical arrangements” for the resumption of inspections. View Quote Operation Desert glass coming soon ! |
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[b]War Is Talk of the Town in Baghdad[/b]
[url]http://www.reuters.com/news_article.jhtml?type=topnews&StoryID=1301169[/url] BAGHDAD (Reuters) - If the mood on the streets of Baghdad is anything to go by, then a U.S. attack on Iraq is not a matter of if, but of when and how. In shops, restaurants and cafes in Baghdad one topic seems on everyone's lips: war with the United States. Most ordinary Iraqis seem convinced that President Bush will launch a military strike to carry out his policy of ousting President Saddam Hussein. "We are not stupid, we hear the drums of war beating in the distance," said Mohammad, a shop owner in the Iraqi capital. "When the president of the world's only superpower says he wants to do something, he will try to do it. It doesn't mean he'll succeed but he will definitely try to do it," he said. The feeling that war is inevitable has grown in recent days after the United Nations and United States poured cold water on two surprise Iraqi proposals. Baghdad last week invited the head of the banned U.N. weapons inspector team for "technical talks," but the offer was turned down by U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan who told Iraq it would have to send a formal invitation. An Iraqi invitation to the U.S. Congress to send a mission to inspect alleged sites of weapons of mass destruction was also dismissed. ANXIETY SETTING IN On the surface, Iraqis are going about their usual business. There is no panic, but underneath the usual bustle of a big city, anxiety seems to be setting in. "People seem convinced that war is coming and they are slowly preparing for it," a businessman said. European Union leaders agree with Washington that U.N. weapons inspectors must be let back unconditionally, but differ on the "or else." German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder has struck a strident anti-war tone, while there is speculation that British Prime Minister Tony Blair may have privately pledged Bush his support for a military attack. In Baghdad, traders and businessmen say sales of luxury goods -- such as cars and electronics -- have fallen in recent weeks, matched by a slow rise in sales of food and other essentials like petrol and gas. "People are slowly starting to build up their food stocks and are spending little on luxuries. There definitely is a slow down," another shop owner said. PREPARING FOR WAR The Iraqi authorities also appear to be preparing for a showdown. Military measures are shrouded in secrecy, but officials have hinted at the seriousness of the situation. The government declared last week that as of August, food rations would be distributed every two months instead of every month. Iraqis get rations from the government to help them overcome the hardships of 12 years of U.N. sanctions imposed after Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1990. Saddam was due to address the nation Thursday to mark the anniversary of the end of the 1980-88 war with Iran, celebrated as a "great victory day." Undeterred by memories of war, military training camps are filling up, with teenagers, women and elderly men volunteering for instruction. The authorities say around seven million Iraqis -- out of a population of around 22 million -- have already attended these camps. "We have to defend our country and our beloved leader. Bush will regret any attack on great Iraq," a volunteer said. View Quote |
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Hussein launched scuds at Israel last time in an attempt to gain support from Arab nations... It didn't work. I doubt he would try it again when he knows that it didn't work last time and Israel itself could kick his ass. |
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Hussein launched scuds at Israel last time in an attempt to gain support from Arab nations... It didn't work. I doubt he would try it again when he knows that it didn't work last time and Israel itself could kick his ass. View Quote No-way..IMHO, Saddam is a dead man and he knows it. Saddam has nothing to loose. Ben |
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[b]Joint Chiefs Back Iraq Action[/b]
[url]http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,59816,00.html[/url] WASHINGTON — The Joint Chiefs of Staff are unanimously behind a U.S.-led military mission to oust Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein, reports revealed Wednesday. The six-member team has not signed off on a plan for military action, but their backing of a war represents a sea change from previous discussions on what to do with the despot and his threat to the Middle East. The generally cautious group of military leaders is responsible for advising the administration on U.S. war strategy. "The chiefs have come over because they can read the handwriting on the wall," an administration adviser told The Washington Times. "Now the senior leadership is on board." Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Richard Myers told Fox News that he couldn't speak about specifics of an Iraq operation, but said, "You have to be concerned with those countries. The question is 'What should we do about that?'" Senior Defense officials told Fox News that there was some dissension among the six chiefs about using military force in Iraq, but the Times report said the chiefs are past that now. The Joint Chiefs of Staff is comprised of six military generals -- Chairman Gen. Myers, Vice Chairman Gen. Peter Pace, and the secretaries of the Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marine Corps. For years, they have been the last word on whether it is wise or not for the country to conduct a military operation. But several civilian leaders at the Pentagon and White House, most notably the president's national security advisers and Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, have wielded considerable influence with President Bush, and the military has lined up behind the secretary, according to the Times. Pentagon officials say they have specific evidence of Saddam reinstituting his chemical and biological weapons programs, and he is working hard to finish a nuclear bomb. They say to leave him in power opens the region to an unacceptable threat. Any military action, covert or overt, will require the assistance of the surrounding countries, specifically Kuwait, which would be a staging ground for U.S. troops. Turkey, to the north of Iraq, has also signed up to allow U.S. forces to operate in its space. Saudi Arabia, however, said Wednesday that U.S. troops would be prohibited from launching an attack on Iraq from Saudi soil. Myers said that a significant military build-up for the mission won't be on the front pages of the newspapers. "Because you don't see something going on doesn't mean there isn't a lot of activity -- it's like looking at the lake out there. You know that there is a whole society of fish down there doing whatever fish do. It's really busy -- you look at this placid lake and say it's a pretty calm day at the lake. Well, it may not be just a foot below the surface so it'll be that kind of thing that's going on." While there are a lot of time frames being suggested for an attack, The Washington Times quoted two administration officials saying that it won't happen until the beginning of next year. The paper also quoted the sources saying that a military action would likely involve "about 200,000 air, ground and naval troops, as well as wide-ranging air strikes and aid to indigenous anti-Saddam forces." Military sources told Fox News that the size and timing of an attack will depend on which plan the president chooses to undertake. In case of a limited attack, the military could be ready in 30 days after an order is given. View Quote |
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[b]Iraqi Opposition Groups Still Waiting to Gel[/b]
[[url]http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,59809,00.html[/url] WASHINGTON — The U.S.-led plan to remove Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein from power by force appears to have become a question of "when" rather than "if," but the "who" -- as in "who will take over when Saddam is gone?" -- still remains unanswered. In a sign that American commitment is firming up, the State Department and the Pentagon -- for several years at odds over Iraq policy -- have teamed up to invite several Iraqi opposition groups to Washington this week for a meeting all sides agree will be very significant. "This is a clear order from the top leadership and the president to march forward toward overthrowing Saddam," said Entifadh Qanbar of the Iraqi National Congress. The INC, headed by Ahmad Chalabi, is the best-known opposition faction, serving as an umbrella organization for many smaller parties. Chalabi will be joined at the meeting by leaders of other important groups, including the Constitutional Monarchy Movement, the Iraqi National Accord, two Kurdish parties and the Supreme Islamic Resistance of Iraq, which is based in Iran. The loosely-bound Iraqi opposition movement has often been portrayed as a collection of disparate groups arguing over which faction's leader should take charge -- a criticism some analysts say applies to the United States' Iraq policy as well. "Their divisions were a total reflection of our divisions inside our government and our lack of seriousness," says Danielle Pletka, an Iraq analyst. "If they come together, it will be a reflection of their capabilities and our seriousness and commitment to the removal of Saddam Hussein." Support from the Kurdish parties, for instance, is a crucial factor in any plans for Iraqi regime change. The two Kurdish factions divide administration of an prosperous, semi-autonomous Kurdish state in the northern Iraqi "no-fly" zone, which was instituted by the U.S. and Britain at the end of the Gulf War as the Kurds rebelled against Baghdad's authority. Previous Kurdish uprisings had resulted in horrific massacres at the hands of Saddam's troops, including the killings of thousands of civilians by poison gas in the late 1980s. At that time, the United States declined to intervene. Not surprisingly, Kurdish leaders are less enthusiastic about a potential U.S. invasion than are the opposition figures operating out of London and Washington. "We live there -- people's lives and livelihoods are on the line," said Barham Salah of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan. "We cannot afford mistakes in this situation." Pletka, however, said that an invasion looks more likely than ever. "The decision to have meetings jointly is a sign that the administration is coming together under the president, as is appropriate," she says. "We are getting ready to move forward with the opposition." "I hope it will happen as soon as possible," says the INC's Qanbar. "I've been ready for this for twenty years." View Quote |
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"Operation Desert Glass" THAT's FUNNY AS HELL!!!!!!!!! How about "Operation Solar Surface?" or "Operation Parking Lot!!!" or "Operation Stone Age??" Oh, I forgot-most of the "subjects" living in these third-world chicken-head eating countries are ALREADY living in the stone age!!!!
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Quoted: "Operation Desert Glass" THAT's FUNNY AS HELL!!!!!!!!! View Quote That IS funny! Of course, we may be less than amused at radiation and fallout drift patterns. NBC war would not be fun. Just because it is on the other side of the world, doesn't mean we'd be in the clear. I wish I could find that website that purported to plot radiation drift... |
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Does anyone have that website that tracked the fallout
from any city that got nuked ? |
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Neutron Bombs! - Israel has some too and fallout is not really an issue.
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I think if Sadam hit the Israli's with NBCs then that would be the end of Iraq. Period. Let's not forget that one of the only reasons that our forces didn't get hit by NBC's in the gulf war was the fact that we made it clear that if that were to happen, we would use our 'special' weapons against him.
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We hit Iraq, Iraq hits Israel, Israel nukes Iraq. Does it stop there? If not, what is the next step in the chain, and where does it ultimately lead? Things to ponder. Anybody know who sells gourmet MREs? [;)]
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Quoted: Anybody know who sells gourmet MREs? [;)] View Quote Ya know, the instant meals you get at Academy Sports for camping are damn good. I've had them many a time while out in the middle of nowhere. Give them a try. |
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I propose we begin the invasion on 9/11/2002.
Just seems like a goood time for bombing that shit hole. |
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Quoted: We hit Iraq, Iraq hits Israel, Israel nukes Iraq. Does it stop there? View Quote Not if I were in charge! Next it would be something like US hits Sudan. US hits Syria. US hits Iran. US hits Lybia. And if necessary, US hits Saudi Arabia. |
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Quoted: Does anyone have that website that tracked the fallout from any city that got nuked ? View Quote [url]http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/bomb/sfeature/mapablast.html[/url] pretty cool for pbs |
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Quoted: Hussein launched scuds at Israel last time in an attempt to gain support from Arab nations... It didn't work. I doubt he would try it again when he knows that it didn't work last time and Israel itself could kick his ass. View Quote Unfortunately, I not only can't agree, but I believe that's exactly what he's going to do. Unlike Desert Storm, where the UN mandate was to remove him from Kuawit, this time we're going after him directly. He's a dead man and he knows it. His only hope of survival is to unite the Arab nations against us. That's not as easily done as said. Historically, the Arab nations have been divided even amongst themselves, as evidenced by the Iran Iraq war, the invasion of Kuwait, etc. There is only one thing that all Arab nations can agree upon: their hatred of the State of Israel. Saddam will try to use thier collective hatred of Israel to unite the Arabs. He'll do it by dropping a chemical, biological or, quite possibly, a nuclear weapon on Isreal. Isreal will most definitely retaliate if faced with NBC weapons. Whether or not Isreal does so with NBC or convential weapons is a tossup but they will retaliate. Once Isreal enters the war, the remaining Arab nations will, in turn, also enter the fight as they will now see it as a Western and Zionist vs. Arab war. I truly hope I'm wrong but, the way I see it, this will ultimately turn into a war against all of Islam and the Arab nations...Just my .02 cents.. |
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I don't mean to sound like a spoil sport, but why are we (potentially) attacking Iraq?
I'm being serious here, I have not been following the news. I really see no great reason except; it's rumored he has weapons that make a big boom (can't reach us + his right as a leader for defense). Whoop-de-doo there, so does Chechnya. Helping terrorists - How about Syria? Drug trade - non-issue. UN weapons inspectors - it's been 10 years now. They don't seem to be occupying or attacking any of our intrests...And it's a sovereign country; So what's the deal? [b]All I see is a shit load of dis-information/distraction to get people scared and riled up, so the attack will be met with huge public approval ratings. Perhaps,on CNN, we can see "US -v- Iraq Smackdown - Brought to you by Geico".[/b] [red]"Start up the war machine and help the economy"[/red] sounds like the best cantidate to me. They ran out of caves in Afgan. BTW, I'm all for the stock market-upturn that will happen. Edit: After thinking some more, the afghan thing make sense. We don't have any real skins to show for it... so it's time to go after the old forgotten evil one (that didn't try to affect your way of life one iota) that we have not heard from in 5 years (but it will look good and make everyone happy & fuzzy)to prove that we can find the enemy somewhere.[sleep] The question you should ask yourself is: [size=3]How does Iraq hurt you and your way of life?[/size=3] I would say, about the same as Bosnia/Mogadishu/Panama/Vietnam/Korea,wherever else we have sent our people to die for things that don't affect you or I! If I join the armed services, I join to defend the USA - And That's All. Leave it to the UN. Oh, wait.. We are the UN.[puke] p.s. sorry legs.. Kinda got on a venting spree.. and my sentence structure sucks when I'm pissed [:D] |
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Operation Desert Glass certainly has a good ring to it. I suspect if Iraq wishes to cease to exist they will do the NBC thing on Israel.
ChrisLe, I hope you are right. Not until we confront all the terrorist nations of the Mid East (most of them) will we finally crush them and have a measure of peace. SA refuses to be WITH US therefore they are against US. I sincerely hope we destroy them along with Iraq. While I regret we must go to war and am saddened by the number of people who will die, there is no other choice. War has been declared on US and the only possible response is ALL OUT WAR on them. If any idiot uses NBC against US , Israel or any of our interests then a nuclear response is justified. If we don't have the balls to use them in that situation then we might just as well junk them as they will NEVER be used. To leave Iraq as it is can only lead to more death. Soddom will continue his build-up and his export of terrorism. He can only get stronger and more dangerous. Fight him now or fight him later when he has the certain ability to strike CONUS with NBC weapons. In the end, do you want the next war in CONUS or the Middle East? |
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Quoted: Undeterred by memories of war, military training camps are filling up, with teenagers, women and elderly men volunteering for instruction. The authorities say around seven million Iraqis -- out of a population of around 22 million -- have already attended these camps. "We have to defend our country and our beloved leader. Bush will regret any attack on great Iraq," a volunteer said. View Quote View Quote Gee, the same people who tell us we have to attack because he's a "terrorist" sponsor, and has "weapons of mass destruction", also tell us his people hate and fear him. 7 million volunteers out of a population of 22 million? That's almost 1/3 of the population. I wonder how many would volunteer if they loved him. Lets see, the US had how many volunteers join the military after 9/11??........ 1/3?? 1/4?? 1/10?? NOT!! |
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Look at these Iraqi POSs:
[img]http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20020808/i/1028808538.3623878747.jpg[/img] Caption: A group of Ba'th party soldiers, who appear to have explosives tied to their waists, gather for a military parade in Baghdad in support of President Saddam Hussein August 8, 2002. The Iraqi President said on Thursday that he was not frightened by threats from the United States and his country was ready to repel any attack. REUTERS/Faleh Kheiber Hmmm, wonder where they got THAT idea from? Eric The(OhYeah,Those[u]Other[/u]POSs)Hun[>]:)] |
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I am thinking about starting a glass factory in the middle east.
Anyone interested in helping? I bet our government will lend us a hand... |
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Quoted: Quoted: Hussein launched scuds at Israel last time in an attempt to gain support from Arab nations... It didn't work. I doubt he would try it again when he knows that it didn't work last time and Israel itself could kick his ass. View Quote Unfortunately, I not only can't agree, but I believe that's exactly what he's going to do. Unlike Desert Storm, where the UN mandate was to remove him from Kuawit, this time we're going after him directly. He's a dead man and he knows it. His only hope of survival is to unite the Arab nations against us. That's not as easily done as said. Historically, the Arab nations have been divided even amongst themselves, as evidenced by the Iran Iraq war, the invasion of Kuwait, etc. There is only one thing that all Arab nations can agree upon: their hatred of the State of Israel. Saddam will try to use thier collective hatred of Israel to unite the Arabs. He'll do it by dropping a chemical, biological or, quite possibly, a nuclear weapon on Isreal. Isreal will most definitely retaliate if faced with NBC weapons. Whether or not Isreal does so with NBC or convential weapons is a tossup but they will retaliate. Once Isreal enters the war, the remaining Arab nations will, in turn, also enter the fight as they will now see it as a Western and Zionist vs. Arab war. I truly hope I'm wrong but, the way I see it, this will ultimately turn into a war against all of Islam and the Arab nations...Just my .02 cents.. View Quote Technically Iranians are not Arabs |
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Post from Atencio -
Technically Iranians are not Arabs View Quote No. They are not Arabs. The Iranians consider themselves to be 'Persians.' But what does [u]that[/u] have to do with this story on Iraq? I'm just wondering. Eric The(OutLoud)Hun[>]:)] |
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Quoted: Look at these Iraqi POSs: Eric The(OhYeah,Those[u]Other[/u]POSs)Hun[>]:)] View Quote [img]http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20020808/i/1028808538.3623878747.jpg[/img] Look at those griddles those fat out of shape warriors are wearing!!! Ooh, those are bombs. I guess that's what a country has to resort to when they suck and cannot beat their opponent. They are doing what the Palestinian scum do and what the Japs did in WWII. They already have a defeatist attitude, they will be easy kills. Happy hunting to our US forces! |
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A few things....
First, I would wonder what calibre of 'volunteers' the Iraqis have picked up. I would suspect it's '9mm' (as in 'I'm gonna shoot you and your whole family with a 9mm sub gun - unless, of course, you 'volunteer' for the army'. Seriously, dictatorships have a historically loose record of what constitutes 'volunteering'. These 7million are most likely conscripts (draftees), NOT volunteers. The 'beloved leader' line is especially scripted. Second, US anti-missile technology has been under constant development since PGW I. Iraq has had little oppertunity to make 'better' TBMs than it's existing bastardized scuds. Third, there is no Arab coalition this time, so we don't have to pussyfoot around our alliance with Israel. Whereas Saddam might have been able to get the Arabs to leave their countries and deny us basing before, he won't get them to join a war they KNOW that they will loose. After all, war with Israel has been a loosing proposition ever since the modern state has formed. They've all tried (including once where Iraq, Syria, Saudi, Egypt, Jordan, and every other major Arab country went in), and they've all lost every time. Fourth, isolationists aside, there is very compelling reasoning for a strike on Iraq. It's real simple too: We fought with them before, they lost and agreed to a *ceasefire*. The key point to a ceasefire is that if it's broken, the war's back on. Iraq broke the ceasefire (WMD restrictions/inspections), so they get to get their a$$ kicked again. The only way to reliably enforce such agreements (regardless of what the Europeans say) is with military force. We have to mean business every time, anything else gives the other guys wiggle room (Think 'boy who cried wolf'). History (Japan, Germany, etc..) backs this up quite well. Fifth, this attack could be very good for our long term economy *and* Iraqs. Since any proper regime change happens under the supervision of an occupying army, we would probably be there for 5-10yrs helping the Iraqis move from rule-of-graft to rule-of-law (Look at post-WWII Japan). Under this condition, Iraq would be free of sanctions and free to sell oil, and their economy would be able to recover from the damage that the ineffective sanctions have done (we should never have used 'economic sanctions' in place of military ones in the first place). They would also end up with (if we did it like we did Japan) a US-style constitution, and a government less prone to corruption than Hussein's regime. And for us, in addition to war-related production, we would be in a position to screw OPEC once and for all (by controling Iraq's oil production for 5-10yrs, and maintaining a needed level to counter any OPEC price-fixing moves). As for resistance, the key is to make US occupation more pleasant than Saddam's rule... Show them that the US is on their side (and we were only after Saddam), and all will be well... Finally, I am willing to bet that when their 'Beloved Leader' is gone from power, the only people who will miss him are those who lived off his regime. |
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Oh, and as for the 'abilities' of the Iraqi army, these are guys who JUMPED OUT OF THEIR TANKS when they heard our M-1's approaching in Desert Storm!
Why? Because they thought it was another AIR RAID, and wanted to get in their bomb-shelters before the planes came! It's true, or at least it's what Iraqi POWs said when they were asked why they jumped out of their tanks... (Source: Gen. Horner, 'Every Man a Tiger') |
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Quoted: Post from Atencio - Technically Iranians are not Arabs View Quote No. They are not Arabs. The Iranians consider themselves to be 'Persians.' But what does [u]that[/u] have to do with this story on Iraq? I'm just wondering. Eric The(OutLoud)Hun[>]:)] View Quote "the Arab nations have been divided even amongst themselves, as evidenced by the Iran Iraq war" just repsonding to the quote and the way the term Arab is generally used here, so wonder no more. |
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Quoted: "the Arab nations have been divided even amongst themselves, as evidenced by the Iran Iraq war" just repsonding to the quote and the way the term Arab is generally used here, so wonder no more. View Quote Atencio, I stand corrected. Thanks. Next time I'll wait for my brain to engage prior to fingers typing... |
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Quoted: Quoted: Anybody know who sells gourmet MREs? [;)] View Quote Ya know, the instant meals you get at Academy Sports for camping are damn good. I've had them many a time while out in the middle of nowhere. Give them a try. View Quote And living underground for the rest of your life can really be fun too! For a look at what could be, please see the movie "A Boy And His Dog". Let's try to postpone WW3 for just a while longer, can we? [img]http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/sadness.gif[/img] |
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Quoted: I don't mean to sound like a spoil sport, but why are we (potentially) attacking Iraq? I'm being serious here, I have not been following the news. I really see no great reason except; it's rumored he has weapons that make a big boom (can't reach us + his right as a leader for defense). Whoop-de-doo there, so does Chechnya. Helping terrorists - How about Syria? Drug trade - non-issue. UN weapons inspectors - it's been 10 years now. They don't seem to be occupying or attacking any of our intrests...And it's a sovereign country; So what's the deal? [b]All I see is a shit load of dis-information/distraction to get people scared and riled up, so the attack will be met with huge public approval ratings. Perhaps,on CNN, we can see "US -v- Iraq Smackdown - Brought to you by Geico".[/b] [red]"Start up the war machine and help the economy"[/red] sounds like the best cantidate to me. They ran out of caves in Afgan. BTW, I'm all for the stock market-upturn that will happen. Edit: After thinking some more, the afghan thing make sense. We don't have any real skins to show for it... so it's time to go after the old forgotten evil one (that didn't try to affect your way of life one iota) that we have not heard from in 5 years (but it will look good and make everyone happy & fuzzy)to prove that we can find the enemy somewhere.[sleep] The question you should ask yourself is: [size=3]How does Iraq hurt you and your way of life?[/size=3] I would say, about the same as Bosnia/Mogadishu/Panama/Vietnam/Korea,wherever else we have sent our people to die for things that don't affect you or I! If I join the armed services, I join to defend the USA - And That's All. Leave it to the UN. Oh, wait.. We are the UN.[puke] p.s. sorry legs.. Kinda got on a venting spree.. and my sentence structure sucks when I'm pissed [:D] View Quote My GUESS is that the CIA or other agencies have evidence that Iraq is working to manufacture NBC weapons and that there is evidence that they have worked with Al-Queeda and Bin-a-Dead-Man. Given what happened on September 11th with little more than a handfull of men and crude weapons this country got work up to just how vulnerable we are. I trust that the government had looked at what the efects of a real MASS DESTRUCTION weapon would be like and they have determined that it is best to bring the war to Iraq before Sadam brings it to us (directly or through some Terrorist thug). As far as I am concerned, give me an M-16 and send me in! Iraq lost the war last time and asked us to stop by surendering. They didn't live up to what they said they would do so as far as I am concerened their surender just doesn't matter! Peace before war BUT WAR if it is the only way to have lasting PEACE! Operation Desert Glass if fine by me! |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Anybody know who sells gourmet MREs? [;)] View Quote Ya know, the instant meals you get at Academy Sports for camping are damn good. I've had them many a time while out in the middle of nowhere. Give them a try. View Quote And living underground for the rest of your life can really be fun too! For a look at what could be, please see the movie "A Boy And His Dog". Let's try to postpone WW3 for just a while longer, can we? [url]http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/sadness.gif[/url] View Quote But why ??? It's what we are all about. I mean we are all collecting guns, ammo, supplies of all kinds for the day all hell breaks lose. Just let it all go to hell right now! Don't you trust that our government knows what they are doing now. I think they learned their lesson now by not knocking Sadam off the first time. I don't think they will make another mistake, not now. Its not up to me, I'm just a post whore with current events. |
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