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Posted: 7/3/2003 7:36:44 AM EDT
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No matter how "civilized" we become, you just never know when extreme, vicious violence will be necessary. Kudos to the guy with the rake--a true hero. I'm glad I have more than a rake to deal with such things. [:)]
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Posted: 7/3/2003 7:40:10 AM EDT
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Quoted: ...it was subdued with a shotgun blast and a tranquilizer dart... Jeebus, that's one tough dog! Usually I'd prefer to be subdued with the tranquilizer dart first, hurts less that way! |
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Posted: 7/3/2003 7:45:53 AM EDT
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I wonder, did the cop use a Less lethal round on the dog?
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Posted: 7/3/2003 7:49:42 AM EDT
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Sometimes it has to be done.
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Posted: 7/3/2003 7:51:19 AM EDT
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Quoted: No matter how "civilized" we become, you just never know when extreme, vicious violence will be necessary. Kudos to the guy with the rake--a true hero. I'm glad I have more than a rake to deal with such things. [:)] Having shot with you before, BK, I assume you have caches of Tannerite planted all over your neighborhood. Where all you would have to do is walk out on the front porch with you AR and select the closest one to the threat and blow the offending dog into Indiana......[;D] |
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Posted: 7/3/2003 7:58:23 AM EDT
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Quoted: Usually I'd prefer to be subdued with the tranquilizer dart first, hurts less that way! Okay. |
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Posted: 7/3/2003 7:58:46 AM EDT
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Why didn't the cop just mace the poor beastie. After all, Dogs are people too and they have the same rights. That dog was someone's family member. He was just shot for protecting his brother.
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Posted: 7/3/2003 7:59:08 AM EDT
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Quoted: < Both dogs will be euthanized, said Sue Hoak, operations manager for San Bernardino Animal Control. Yea, good shoot on the rotty. But what did the Akita do other than get loose. |
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Posted: 7/3/2003 7:59:23 AM EDT
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Ken Clark, 64, who lives across the street, became un unsuspecting hero as the drama unfolded. He said he heard barking, looked out his window, and saw Velasco pinned against his truck, fending off the Rottweiler |
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Posted: 7/3/2003 8:00:17 AM EDT
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More than likely less-lethal rounds. I can't see an 80 lb dog taking a shoulder hit from 12ga. buckshot and running off, unless he hit it more in the leg than the shoulder. At least this time it's kinda hard for anyone to whine about the unjustified killing of a poor little puppy. That was one determined/deranged dog to keep going after the guy like that, even after the other guy is swiping a rake at him.
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Posted: 7/3/2003 8:00:31 AM EDT
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Quoted: Why didn't the cop just mace the poor beastie. After all, Dogs are people too and they have the same rights. That dog was someone's family member. He was just shot for protecting his brother. [sleep] You're such a patronizing prick. Meant in the nicest way possible, of course. [:D] |
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Posted: 7/3/2003 8:01:43 AM EDT
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Quoted: No matter how "civilized" we become, you just never know when extreme, vicious violence will be necessary. Kudos to the guy with the rake--a true hero. I'm glad I have more than a rake to deal with such things. [:)] Would that be a 40 lb rake chambered in 50 BMG? [;)] We had some feral dogs in our neighborhood some years back. Animal control was worthless. Thank goodness dad had that 20 gage. |
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Posted: 7/3/2003 8:13:26 AM EDT
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My point of course is in reference to many other similar threads in which the authorities are demonized by certain members here based on the reporting of the press without any regard to the facts or realization that too few facts are actually presented to determine the correctness of the response.
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Posted: 7/3/2003 8:13:31 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Why didn't the cop just mace the poor beastie. After all, Dogs are people too and they have the same rights. That dog was someone's family member. He was just shot for protecting his brother. [sleep] You're such a patronizing prick. Meant in the nicest way possible, of course. [:D] Lighten up, Francis. He's obviously trying to make a joke. LEO's do that too, ya know. [:)] (He coulda used a smiley though. [;)]) |
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Posted: 7/3/2003 8:22:30 AM EDT
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Quoted: My point of course is in reference to many other similar threads in which the authorities are demonized by certain members here based on the reporting of the press without any regard to the facts or realization that too few facts are actually presented to determine the correctness of the response. [lol] You're right, we should wait to hear more about this article to see if the facts are indeed facts. Newspapers and the press have been notorious to fuck up the stories lately. Despite the eyewitness intervention and the obviously injured ACO we can't be sure the ACO didn't antagonize the Rottie. [:D] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I have ALWAYS advocated [b]necessary[/b] force, ESPECIALLY in light of more than one dog. They feed off the fear of the other dogs and they feed off the fear of the victims. |
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Posted: 7/3/2003 8:22:32 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Usually I'd prefer to be subdued with the tranquilizer dart first, hurts less that way! Okay. That wasn't an invitation or a challenge. [;)] I'm just saying that's one tough dog to take a 12 gauge to the shoulder and THEN 3 tranq darts to bring down. |
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Posted: 7/3/2003 8:35:06 AM EDT
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Quoted: My point of course is in reference to many other similar threads in which the authorities are demonized by certain members here based on the reporting of the press without any regard to the facts or realization that too few facts are actually presented to determine the correctness of the response. I dont know. The video of that Tennessee cop blasting a beagle is pretty clear-cut to me. That dog didn't lay a paw on the cop. Any dog that attacks a person like in this case can be destroyed, and it looks like the cop did the right thing. |
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Posted: 7/3/2003 8:48:57 AM EDT
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Nobody is gonna complain about this shooting, it was a good shoot. Other dog shootings that we have complained about were not, if you can't see the difference then you fit the definition of JBT.
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Posted: 7/3/2003 9:05:24 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: My point of course is in reference to many other similar threads in which the authorities are demonized by certain members here based on the reporting of the press without any regard to the facts or realization that too few facts are actually presented to determine the correctness of the response. I dont know. The video of that Tennessee cop blasting a beagle is pretty clear-cut to me. That dog didn't lay a paw on the cop. Any dog that attacks a person like in this case can be destroyed, and it looks like the cop did the right thing. Good job shotar, way to make an agreeable thread in to a cop bash fest. Maybe YOU should leave well enough alone. Isn't it ironic that your "trolling" made this a shitty thread so fast?? |
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Posted: 7/3/2003 9:45:08 AM EDT
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Quoted: Any dog that attacks a person like in this case can be destroyed, and it looks like the cop did the right thing. The only debate is at what point do you destroy the dog? During the dogs initial charge, or do you wait until he has actualy bit you. Most people here seem to think you should wait until you have been bit. Which is alot like waiting for a robber to shoot you, before defending yourself. |
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Posted: 7/3/2003 9:57:18 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Any dog that attacks a person like in this case can be destroyed, and it looks like the cop did the right thing. The only debate is at what point do you destroy the dog? During the dogs initial charge, or do you wait until he has actualy bit you. Most people here seem to think you should wait until you have been bit. Which is alot like waiting for a robber to shoot you, before defending yourself. It's nothing, AT ALL, like waiting for a robber to shoot you before defending yourself. That is quite simply the most asinine analogy I've seen in quite some time. In this case necessary force was used to subdue the threat. In the TN family dog shooting on film, you had NO IDEA what that dog was gonna do, but it appeared to me to be trying to get to the family members -- who were screaming and agitated -- most dogs will come to it's owner in those instances. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This ACO did something that Va. ACO/Game Warden's have been told not to do; DO NOT attempt to contain multiple canines while alone and unassisted. Pack mentality will put you in a world of trouble -- quickly. Let's just say it had been Citizen A who shot the dog...forget it was a cop in this case. It HAD to be done. The dog was unstoppable -- as witnessed by the injuries. Forget every other dog shooting case there was reported on this site, because none of them contained these circumstances. |
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Posted: 7/3/2003 10:08:54 AM EDT
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As a canine supremacist, I voiced my outrage at the previous 2 Po-leese canine shootings because they were rediculous cowboy bs. This was not in the same league at all. The Rott had proved viscious long before the Officer arrived. The dog owners should be prosecuted for "keeping a viscious dog in city limits" or whatever Kalifornistani ordinance they have on the books. If one's dog is capable of that kind of mayhem, it is their responsiblitiy to the dog, and the populace to take measures to see to it it never happens. If it does happen, owner is lible, poochie is Na-gogi.(or is Pa-gogi I get em confused, one is cat one is dog.)
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Posted: 7/3/2003 10:21:35 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Usually I'd prefer to be subdued with the tranquilizer dart first, hurts less that way! Okay. That wasn't an invitation or a challenge. [;)] I'm just saying that's one tough dog to take a 12 gauge to the shoulder and THEN 3 tranq darts to bring down. Rotties ARE rather tough dogs.....I would know: [img]http://photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?iImageUnq=3566[/img] She's only 75lbs and is tough as nails....but a real sweetheart all the same... Sounds like a good shoot...too bad though...it sometimes has to be done. |
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Posted: 7/3/2003 10:21:36 AM EDT
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Quoted: Why didn't the cop just mace the poor beastie. After all, Dogs are people too and they have the same rights. That dog was someone's family member. He was just shot for protecting his brother. There you go.... trying to start another fight you can't finish... Forget every other dog shooting case there was reported on this site, because none of them contained these circumstances. Well put. I wholeheartedly agree As a canine supremacist, I voiced my outrage at the previous 2 Po-leese canine shootings because they were rediculous cowboy bs. This was not in the same league at all. The Rott had proved viscious long before the Officer arrived. The dog owners should be prosecuted for "keeping a viscious dog in city limits" or whatever Kalifornistani ordinance they have on the books. If one's dog is capable of that kind of mayhem, it is their responsiblitiy to the dog, and the populace to take measures to see to it it never happens. If it does happen, owner is lible, poochie is Na-gogi.(or is Pa-gogi I get em confused, one is cat one is dog.) another GOOD point! --RR |
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Posted: 7/3/2003 11:16:38 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Any dog that attacks a person like in this case can be destroyed, and it looks like the cop did the right thing. The only debate is at what point do you destroy the dog? During the dogs initial charge, or do you wait until he has actualy bit you. Most people here seem to think you should wait until you have been bit. Which is alot like waiting for a robber to shoot you, before defending yourself. It's nothing, AT ALL, like waiting for a robber to shoot you before defending yourself. That is quite simply the most asinine analogy I've seen in quite some time. In this case necessary force was used to subdue the threat. In the TN family dog shooting on film, you had NO IDEA what that dog was gonna do, but it appeared to me to be trying to get to the family members -- who were screaming and agitated -- most dogs will come to it's owner in those instances. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This ACO did something that Va. ACO/Game Warden's have been told not to do; DO NOT attempt to contain multiple canines while alone and unassisted. Pack mentality will put you in a world of trouble -- quickly. Let's just say it had been Citizen A who shot the dog...forget it was a cop in this case. It HAD to be done. The dog was unstoppable -- as witnessed by the injuries. Forget every other dog shooting case there was reported on this site, because none of them contained these circumstances. I thought it was a fairly good analogy, myself (if you compare an unleashed, growling dog to a robber) - but I didn't immediately assume that he was directly referring to these 2 cases. I also thought it was a fair question that was unanswered. Does the cop have to be bloody before it's a good shoot? I am NOT saying that other shoots were justified and I'm sure there are "JBT's" out there that shoot dogs when they don't have to. If the ACO had shot the Rott as it approached him, would you still say, "good shoot"? Even if there were no witness - just a police report - and maybe a neighbor that stated the dogs were aggressive? CR |
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Posted: 7/3/2003 11:25:05 AM EDT
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Cheers to the neighbor and the cop(good shot by the way)[beer]
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Posted: 7/3/2003 11:29:28 AM EDT
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Quoted: No matter how "civilized" we become, you just never know when extreme, vicious violence will be necessary. Kudos to the guy with the rake--a true hero. I'm glad I have more than a rake to deal with such things. [:)] So true BK. How can that be so crystal clear to most of us here and so foreign to many fellow Americans? How did we, as a nation, become so pussified? I am a dog lover and dog owner. Clean shoot on the Rott. Maiming or loss of human life would have resulted with out intervention. Why the hell doesn’t an animal control guy at least carry a knife? I am just full of good questions today… |
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Posted: 7/3/2003 11:32:41 AM EDT
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[sex]...............whatever[smoke]
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Posted: 7/3/2003 12:21:14 PM EDT
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Quoted: If the ACO had shot the Rott as it approached him, would you still say, "good shoot"? Even if there were no witness - just a police report - and maybe a neighbor that stated the dogs were aggressive? CR That's the $1,000,000.00 question, and even police policy makers cannot come to an agreement. |
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Posted: 7/3/2003 12:35:32 PM EDT
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I guess Va. is on the cutting edge then. An ACO/Game Warden may not dispatch an animal without consent from the supervisor on duty. If they believe the situation to be dangerous they must call in LEO backup -- we all know what kind of protocol is in place for most PD's. [;D]
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