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Posted: 6/13/2011 2:54:23 PM EDT
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Pollen from GMO plants blow over to the neighbor's field. Pollinates neighbor's crops.
IIRC, Apparently Monsanto somehow proves neighbor's crops have their genetic material, sues neighbors. |
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Posted: 6/13/2011 2:56:43 PM EDT
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Monsanto is the devil
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Posted: 6/13/2011 3:11:34 PM EDT
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So this company makes genetically engineered seeds and when it blows over on the regular farmers' fields, the company then sues them for growing their seeds that have a patent. Sounds like real douchebaggery bahavior. However, my little skeptical guy is popping up on my shoulder. Is it possible for seeds to blow over and be planted in huge amounts by the wind? Every farm I've ever driven by has nice neat rows planted, not random stuff growing everywhere. Does the lawsuit hold water or are the little mom and pop farmers planting entire fields and then claiming the wind naturally blew the seeds over to them? http://www.rodale.com/organic-lawsuit What happened is that other farms planted crops, and then when Monsanto gene-modified plants produced pollen that mixed with the neighboring crops, Monsanto sued and claimed the neighboring farms were unlawfully in possession of Monsanto intellectual property (modified genomes). Massive dick move, completely un-American, and proof once again that with enough money you can buy yourself a court ruling. Monsanto needs to be taken down with RICO, they're a threat to our country, our agriculture, our economy and our health. |
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Posted: 6/13/2011 3:12:56 PM EDT
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Mother Monsanto....welcome to the machine.
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Posted: 6/13/2011 3:13:01 PM EDT
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Monsanto patents the hybrid. Hybrid found in neighbors field (because neighbor collected seeds last year to replant - last years crop was pollinated with Monsanto pollen). Neighbor is now planting Monsanto plant w/o paying Monsanto. If done with ill intent, perhaps Monsanto has a case. I should not be able to steal their patented plant by using their pollination over a period of several years. I honestly doubt it was done intentionally.
I have heard this - have also heard of the trick of selling plants that are a hybrid that can not reproduce (it's seeds are not viable). Forces farmers to buy the seeds annually rather than plant part of their harvest (sold to 3rd world farmers). Both cases Monsanto is forcing farmers to purchase seeds rather than plant from their own harvest. –––– Personally I would love to see Monsanto counter sued and forced to provide the farmer with genetically unmodified seed stock - since they contaminated the farmers seed stock in the first place. |
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Posted: 6/13/2011 3:19:41 PM EDT
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Their terminator gene in their plants is fucking scary, fuck them
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Posted: 6/13/2011 3:20:31 PM EDT
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Monsanto is the devil Monsanto is just following it's share holders desire for more profit. The real devils are the Congressmen who passed the current laws that allow this. |
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Posted: 6/13/2011 3:23:48 PM EDT
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Go to monsanto's website and read their response to the rumors that have been so vigorously propagated against them. It's good to know both sides of the story. They're not half as evil as they're often portrayed as. They're capitalists, doing what capitalists do.
http://www.monsanto.com/newsviews/Pages/saved-seed-farmer-lawsuits.aspx |
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Posted: 6/13/2011 3:27:47 PM EDT
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Monsanto created the agricultural version of the flu, and sues anyone that catches it. Hell of a racket they have going, especially since only they can run the test that "proves" that a given plant is a result of their contamination.
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Posted: 6/13/2011 3:30:33 PM EDT
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They wouldn't have cash to pay their lawyers if no one were buying their product.
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Posted: 6/13/2011 3:37:46 PM EDT
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I don't even know how to begin responding to all the misinformation and sensationalism in this thread.
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Posted: 6/13/2011 3:45:43 PM EDT
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Quoted: I don't even know how to begin responding to all the misinformation and sensationalism in this thread. Will you please? |
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Posted: 6/13/2011 3:49:19 PM EDT
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I don't even know how to begin responding to all the misinformation and sensationalism in this thread. Me either but this is a start: Quoted:
Go to monsanto's website and read their response to the rumors that have been so vigorously propagated against them. It's good to know both sides of the story. They're not half as evil as they're often portrayed as. They're capitalists, doing what capitalists do. http://www.monsanto.com/newsviews/Pages/saved-seed-farmer-lawsuits.aspx |
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Posted: 6/13/2011 3:49:21 PM EDT
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I don't even know how to begin responding to all the misinformation and sensationalism in this thread. Will you please? Click on my link (above) and get it straight from the horse's mouth. Short version: They invested a bajillion dollars in an awesome technology, under the impression that US patent laws would protect their ability to get a return on said investment. A tiny minority of farmers didn't want to play by the rules they agreed to play by when they bought the seed and got sued. Monsanto won, every time. Buy their seed every year, or buy other seed that doesn't have their technology, or save your own seed from non-Monsanto stock, and you'll never have a problem. |
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Posted: 6/13/2011 3:50:40 PM EDT
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Heard things about this
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Posted: 6/13/2011 3:52:21 PM EDT
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Quoted: I don't even know how to begin responding to all the misinformation and sensationalism in this thread. This. Some of you guys sound like you barely know the difference between corn and soybeans. |
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Posted: 6/13/2011 3:52:46 PM EDT
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As an Ex farmer And Chemical salesman/ag manager , FUCK MONSANTO . Thats what I told their reps also .
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Posted: 6/13/2011 3:53:50 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I don't even know how to begin responding to all the misinformation and sensationalism in this thread. Will you please? Click on my link (above) and get it straight from the horse's mouth. Short version: They invested a bajillion dollars in an awesome technology, under the impression that US patent laws would protect their ability to get a return on said investment. A tiny minority of farmers didn't want to play by the rules they agreed to play by when they bought the seed and got sued. Monsanto won, every time. Buy their seed every year, or buy other seed that doesn't have their technology, or save your own seed from non-Monsanto stock, and you'll never have a problem. Right, I agree, but it doesn't address all the FUD about Monsanto suing victims of pollen contamination. Does that happen, or not? |
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Posted: 6/13/2011 3:56:08 PM EDT
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Pollen from Corn can blow miles so bio-engineered corn is designed to NOT reproduce in order to prevent native corns from being destroyed.
Impeach Obama for the Good of those that Need to Eat.  
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Posted: 6/13/2011 3:58:21 PM EDT
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I don't even know how to begin responding to all the misinformation and sensationalism in this thread. Will you please? Click on my link (above) and get it straight from the horse's mouth. Short version: They invested a bajillion dollars in an awesome technology, under the impression that US patent laws would protect their ability to get a return on said investment. A tiny minority of farmers didn't want to play by the rules they agreed to play by when they bought the seed and got sued. Monsanto won, every time. Buy their seed every year, or buy other seed that doesn't have their technology, or save your own seed from non-Monsanto stock, and you'll never have a problem. Right, I agree, but it doesn't address all the FUD about Monsanto suing victims of pollen contamination. Does that happen, or not? Exactly. Someone is lying. I'm interested in hearing how and why farmers who never purchased from Monsanto are involved. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 6/13/2011 3:58:29 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: I don't even know how to begin responding to all the misinformation and sensationalism in this thread. Will you please? Basically.... Farmer purchases seed with Monsanto patented gene. Signs agreement to not replant progeny. Farmer replants progeny from original seed; sometimes over the course of several seasons. Monsanto finds out farmer is pirating seed (typically someone turns them in). Does genetic test on seed (field tests exist). Monsanto sues farmer for piracy. Farmer claims "contaminated" field due to cross pollination. (depending on the crop, this is possible to varying degrees; although cross pollination won't result in as much genetic similarity in testing; Monsanto knows this, and will only go after cases with large amounts of genetic match). |
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Posted: 6/13/2011 3:59:57 PM EDT
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I hope that every monsanto minion bastard that has blood on their hands learns what karma is
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Posted: 6/13/2011 4:01:48 PM EDT
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They normally sue for unreal amounts , normally in the millions range .
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Posted: 6/13/2011 4:02:08 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Right, I agree, but it doesn't address all the FUD about Monsanto suing victims of pollen contamination. Does that happen, or not? Exactly. Someone is lying. I'm interested in hearing how and why farmers who never purchased from Monsanto are involved. Black market ––- someone selling, for example, Roundup Ready seed to other farmers without collecting the Tech Fee and agreements. Any farmer will know if they are buying pirated RR seed as they won't pay the tech fee (which is steep, although I cannot reveal its actual cost which varies from market to market) |
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Posted: 6/13/2011 4:03:35 PM EDT
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I hope that every monsanto minion bastard that has blood on their hands learns what karma is .... blood, Karma, Hyperbole? |
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Posted: 6/13/2011 4:03:45 PM EDT
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go watch Food Inc. its on netflix so you can stream it. I am a pretty pro corporate guy, but the bullshit litigation that Monsanto puts out is a serious crock of shit. Monsanto is also the company who put out rBGH for milk cows which is proven to be extremely dangerous and some would argue abusive to the cows, other people say that the growth hormone causes cancer but the US says it doesn't, and Canada only bans it because of the health problems with cows.
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Posted: 6/13/2011 4:04:42 PM EDT
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I find it bizarre that patenting life is even permitted by the Patent Office. It didn't used to be, and right now, I'm of the mind that it shouldn't be.
I'm open to being convinced otherwise, though. I haven't given it a great deal of deliberate thought. |
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Posted: 6/13/2011 4:05:21 PM EDT
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Monsanto is a dirtier word than fuck
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Posted: 6/13/2011 4:14:25 PM EDT
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Quoted: I find it bizarre that patenting life is even permitted by the Patent Office. It didn't used to be, and right now, I'm of the mind that it shouldn't be. I'm open to being convinced otherwise, though. I haven't given it a great deal of deliberate thought. Its not the life, its the genes. I don't agree with Monsanto's tactics, but they did the research, and discovered, for example, the genes for resistance of glyphosate in plants (Round up Ready). They then figured out how to insert those genes into soybean, corn, etc plants. That really was a drastic revolution in farming; using a safe, cheap and effective chemical to control weeds; they deserved compensation for this.... but their tactics of course are terrible. |
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Posted: 6/13/2011 4:16:22 PM EDT
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Quoted: I find it bizarre that patenting life is even permitted by the Patent Office. It didn't used to be, and right now, I'm of the mind that it shouldn't be. I'm open to being convinced otherwise, though. I haven't given it a great deal of deliberate thought. Monsanto isnt patenting corn, they are patenting the blend of corn that they have developed using selective breeding and genetic engineering to produce the traits they desire. It is essential to further development by the seed companies is that they can protect their investment from their competitors and from farmers reusing the offspring. The patents help to do that. |
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Posted: 6/13/2011 4:17:49 PM EDT
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It's not about winning the lawsuit. It's about driving up the cost of the smaller farmer so he sells out to Monsanto. Monsanto is the debbil and they make Frankenfoods for mankind.
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Posted: 6/13/2011 4:21:35 PM EDT
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Monsanto is the devil THIS. Thet own farming! google , yahoo = devil! 
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Posted: 6/13/2011 4:29:42 PM EDT
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I find it bizarre that patenting life is even permitted by the Patent Office. It didn't used to be, and right now, I'm of the mind that it shouldn't be. I'm open to being convinced otherwise, though. I haven't given it a great deal of deliberate thought. Monsanto isnt patenting corn, they are patenting the blend of corn that they have developed using selective breeding and genetic engineering to produce the traits they desire. It is essential to further development by the seed companies is that they can protect their investment from their competitors and from farmers reusing the offspring. The patents help to do that. big farmer? or do you work for these cock suckers?
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Posted: 6/13/2011 4:34:19 PM EDT
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Why isn't this a matter of, "If you don't like Monsanto, don't buy their seeds"?
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Posted: 6/13/2011 4:40:16 PM EDT
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go watch Food Inc. its on netflix so you can stream it. I am a pretty pro corporate guy, but the bullshit litigation that Monsanto puts out is a serious crock of shit. Monsanto is also the company who put out rBGH for milk cows which is proven to be extremely dangerous and some would argue abusive to the cows, other people say that the growth hormone causes cancer but the US says it doesn't, and Canada only bans it because of the health problems with cows. The wife put Food, Inc on our Netflix queue several months ago, and yes, I watched it........ Chuck Schumer and Dianne Feinstien couldn't have made a better caricature of reality to further an anti-business liberal agenda, even if they tried. As biased hit pieces go, I give it a 9 out of 10. As someone who has enough background in agriculture (farmed a couple of years, grew up around farmers, have friends that farm thousands of acres, worked at a farmers' co-op when I was young and fascinated with ag tech and RR beans were new, had other friends who tried to 'save seed' early on, and watched the case unfold from both sides) I knew enough to see that much of the documentary was nothing less than a liberal hit piece on a large corporation. Completely without merit? No. As bad as I hate it, the movie made some salient points. But many facts were grossly, grossly distorted by anti-capitalist idiot liberal film-makers. |
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Posted: 6/13/2011 4:41:16 PM EDT
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Why isn't this a matter of, "If you don't like Monsanto, don't buy their seeds"? I'm sure Monsanto and ADM didn't buy up all the competing, smaller seed companies and use lobbyists to have laws passed in their favor... 
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Posted: 6/13/2011 4:42:48 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Why isn't this a matter of, "If you don't like Monsanto, don't buy their seeds"? I'm sure Monsanto and ADM didn't buy up all the competing, smaller seed companies and use lobbyists to have laws passed in their favor... Isn't that how capitalism works? |
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Posted: 6/13/2011 4:44:11 PM EDT
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Why isn't this a matter of, "If you don't like Monsanto, don't buy their seeds"? well some here wonder about BIG GOV! THESE BASTARDS PASTED THAT IN THE 80"s do YOUR HOMEWORK! I understand a GOOD deal here might work for them OR ONE OF THEIR sub's. Sleep with the ......... 
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Posted: 6/13/2011 4:44:17 PM EDT
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Why isn't this a matter of, "If you don't like Monsanto, don't buy their seeds"? I'm sure Monsanto and ADM didn't buy up all the competing, smaller seed companies and use lobbyists to have laws passed in their favor... There are plenty of smaller seed companies operating. Even plenty of seed exchanges where farmers can swap seeds. |
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Posted: 6/13/2011 4:46:33 PM EDT
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Two issues being conflated here:
1. intentionally using patented seeds without permission. That seems to happen a bit, and monsanto should win those cases. 2. through no fault of your own, having some plants on your property with some monsanto genes. #2 is what was presented in Food, Inc. The farmer might have been lying about it - guess we will never know. |
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Posted: 6/13/2011 4:47:01 PM EDT
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Why isn't this a matter of, "If you don't like Monsanto, don't buy their seeds"? well some here wonder about BIG GOV! THESE BASTARDS PASTED THAT IN THE 80"s do YOUR HOMEWORK! I understand a GOOD deal here might work for them OR ONE OF THEIR sub's. Sleep with the .........
Are you trying to claim that the government forces farmers to buy Monsanto seeds? |
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Posted: 6/13/2011 4:47:43 PM EDT
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google is the uninformed friend here
my blood pressure is up and I'm out!
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Posted: 6/13/2011 4:49:24 PM EDT
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It's not about winning the lawsuit. It's about driving up the cost of the smaller farmer so he sells out to Monsanto. Monsanto is the debbil and they make Frankenfoods for mankind. It's always nice when the other guy makes his own caricature.
Last time I looked, it might cost anywhere from $100 to $150 per acre to get a bean crop in the ground, mature, harvested, and sold at market. $40 - fertilizer $30 - seed $15 - herbicide (that number was much higher before RR technology) $40 - fuel/equipment costs $25 - harvest and transport to market. That's $150 per acre, and those numbers are very conservative, if not downright fanciful. Now tell us, o lamenter of the small yesteryear farm, how much of a technology fee does Monsanto charge, per-acre, for soybeans? (Hint: it's in the single digits) In all fairness, though, I'm at a loss to explain why Monsanto didn't try to enforce RR-tech fees in South America, where they still allow farmers to save seed (to the best of my knowledge) and don't charge tech fees (Again, based on what I remember). |
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Posted: 6/13/2011 4:50:56 PM EDT
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"Last year, Kem Ralph, a Tennessee farmer was sued by Monsanto and sentenced to eight months in prison for lying about a truckload of cotton seed he concealed for a friend. In addition to the prison sentence, the court ordered Ralph to pay Monsanto more than $1.7 million dollars."
just a random sample from the google results for Monsanto sues farmers: https://ssl.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/nbbwssl.cgi |
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Posted: 6/13/2011 4:51:52 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Monsanto is the devil Monsanto is just following it's share holders desire for more profit. The real devils are the Congressmen who passed the current laws that allow this. No, Monsanto is evil. |
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Posted: 6/13/2011 4:53:42 PM EDT
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Quoted: Now tell us, o lamenter of the small yesteryear farm, how much of a technology fee does Monsanto charge, per-acre, for soybeans? (Hint: it USED TO BE in the single digits) In all fairness, though, I'm at a loss to explain why Monsanto didn't try to enforce RR-tech fees in South America, where they still allow farmers to save seed (to the best of my knowledge) and don't charge tech fees (Again, based on what I remember). They were enforcing the tech fee at the elevator; testing the seed with a genetic field test and then assessing the fee based on that. (and no, I do not work for any company affiliated with Monsanto; however I do know some details from the 'small seed company' side of things) |
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Posted: 6/13/2011 4:55:59 PM EDT
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Pollen from GMO plants blow over to the neighbor's field. Pollinates neighbor's crops. IIRC, Apparently Monsanto somehow proves neighbor's crops have their genetic material, sues neighbors. It should be the other way around: The farmers should be suing Monsanto. Monsanto is fertilizing the farmers' crops. This is no different than suing for child support. Monsanto should pay for the farmers not to grow crops.  
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Posted: 6/13/2011 4:57:21 PM EDT
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Why isn't this a matter of, "If you don't like Monsanto, don't buy their seeds"? I'm sure Monsanto and ADM didn't buy up all the competing, smaller seed companies and use lobbyists to have laws passed in their favor... There are plenty of smaller seed companies operating. Even plenty of seed exchanges where farmers can swap seeds. Monsanto probably controls 80-90% of the seeds for soybeans and corn. |
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Posted: 6/13/2011 4:59:18 PM EDT
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Why isn't this a matter of, "If you don't like Monsanto, don't buy their seeds"? I'm sure Monsanto and ADM didn't buy up all the competing, smaller seed companies and use lobbyists to have laws passed in their favor... There are plenty of smaller seed companies operating. Even plenty of seed exchanges where farmers can swap seeds. Monsanto probably controls 80-90% of the seeds for soybeans and corn. Meaning anyone who doesn't like them is free to buy from the other 10-20%. And if farmers don't like them, they will lose the market share they have. |
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Posted: 6/13/2011 5:00:35 PM EDT
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Why isn't this a matter of, "If you don't like Monsanto, don't buy their seeds"? I'm sure Monsanto and ADM didn't buy up all the competing, smaller seed companies and use lobbyists to have laws passed in their favor... Isn't that how capitalism works? No, that's .gov intervention in business, not capitalism. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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