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Posted: 4/17/2017 7:09:25 PM EDT
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Hickory shampoos should never go out of style.
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Posted: 4/17/2017 7:10:31 PM EDT
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... Have they fallen out of favor toward Tasers and other less-lethal mechanisms to control the unruly? I suppose it's no longer politically correct to beat criminals. Still keep a tonfa that my little brother designed a very neat polymer handle for a six-D-cell MagLight, next to the safe Where did they go? |
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Posted: 4/17/2017 7:10:36 PM EDT
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I still see cops with batons.
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Posted: 4/17/2017 7:11:14 PM EDT
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They do around here, I trained some of them.
Baton is way more useful than a Taser. |
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Posted: 4/17/2017 7:12:11 PM EDT
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Hickory shampoos should never go out of style. .JPG)
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Posted: 4/17/2017 7:12:19 PM EDT
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The largest uniformed Federal Law Enforcement Agency carries collapsible straight batons.
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Posted: 4/17/2017 7:12:28 PM EDT
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I carry an ASP daily at work.
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Posted: 4/17/2017 7:12:39 PM EDT
[#8]
Asp sure. We stopped issuing straight sticks over 20 years ago
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Posted: 4/17/2017 7:12:55 PM EDT
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I figured it's less liability in shooting them... Police brutality and all equals big money.
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Posted: 4/17/2017 7:13:25 PM EDT
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... Have they fallen out of favor toward Tasers and other less-lethal mechanisms to control the unruly? I suppose it's no longer politically correct to beat criminals. Still keep a tonfa that my little brother designed a very neat polymer handle for a six-D-cell MagLight, next to the safe Where did they go? They are still used,when I was an LEO we carried them. All departments I know still carry them. They collapse and are fairly small when carried on your duty belt |
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Posted: 4/17/2017 7:13:39 PM EDT
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They still carry an expandable ASP here.
However, the PR24 tomahawk has been retired. 
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Posted: 4/17/2017 7:14:34 PM EDT
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Telescoping batons are still used. They aren't long when collapsed so they don't appear like cops are carrying them on their belts. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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... Have they fallen out of favor toward Tasers and other less-lethal mechanisms to control the unruly? I suppose it's no longer politically correct to beat criminals. Still keep a tonfa that my little brother designed a very neat polymer handle for a six-D-cell MagLight, next to the safe Where did they go? |
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Posted: 4/17/2017 7:15:11 PM EDT
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... agreed, "@Littlefish" on ARFCOM doesn't post here anymore - but his design 20 years ago looks a lot like this: https://www.rc-machines.com/media/images/org/LTG%20(4).JPG Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hickory shampoos should never go out of style. https://www.rc-machines.com/media/images/org/LTG%20(4).JPG |
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Posted: 4/17/2017 7:15:13 PM EDT
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I figured it's less liability in shooting them... Police brutality and all. 
See all those red counties? They pretty much all have cops of some sort. |
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Posted: 4/17/2017 7:17:40 PM EDT
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Some agencies still issue/authorize a straight stick or PR24 but they are few and far between.
Last real straight stick I saw was a George Washington University Police Officer in DC while he was crossing the street. They still make them and sell them so someone is buying them. |
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Posted: 4/17/2017 7:19:24 PM EDT
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ASP on the belt, 24 in the war bag.
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Posted: 4/17/2017 7:20:37 PM EDT
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... agreed, "@Littlefish" on ARFCOM doesn't post here anymore - but his design 20 years ago looks a lot like this: https://www.rc-machines.com/media/images/org/LTG%20(4).JPG Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hickory shampoos should never go out of style. https://www.rc-machines.com/media/images/org/LTG%20(4).JPG The momentimum from a 6D Maglite would knock someone into lower orbit 
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Posted: 4/17/2017 7:21:59 PM EDT
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The Anchorage Police Department still carry espantoons.
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Posted: 4/17/2017 7:22:47 PM EDT
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http://i0.wp.com/metrocosm.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/election-2016-county-map.png See all those red counties? They pretty much all have cops of some sort. |
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Posted: 4/17/2017 7:24:55 PM EDT
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I hope so, what are you getting at? I'm just saying cops get as much shit roughing up someone, as they do shooting them. |
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Posted: 4/17/2017 7:24:55 PM EDT
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Like most cops, I carry an ASP. We are authorized strait batons. My duty bag is designed to hold one and I have one there. Right next to me in the passenger seat. I have grabbed it a few times.
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Posted: 4/17/2017 7:27:01 PM EDT
[#22]
asp...and prefer hands on first, less paperwork and most violent drunks forget being tazed the next day
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Posted: 4/17/2017 7:28:13 PM EDT
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ASP on the belt. 29" hickory in the car.
A few departments in the Denver area still do: I've seen Aurora, Denver, and Lakewood with straight sticks in the last year. |
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Posted: 4/17/2017 7:29:28 PM EDT
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The Anchorage Police Department still carry espantoons. Of the "toys of the glory days" I wish I could carry a leaded sap. |
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Posted: 4/17/2017 7:30:09 PM EDT
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I carry an ASP... but we are authorized/certified to carry batons. We have to have one or the other on us. I still want to get a nice wood stick to carry for certain details/protests.
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Posted: 4/17/2017 7:30:54 PM EDT
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Depends on what you mean by baton. Most carry a collapsible steel baton of some sort, a couple still use the PR-24. I suppose there are still a few that carry around a truncheon of some kind, but I don't remember the last time I saw one.
The collapsible batons could have been good if officers were allowed to use them as originally designed. If you can find a really, really old ASP training poster, you'll see that they were originally designed to be used on wrists, ankles, and elbows, basically anywhere there was bone to strike, because they were intended to disable by actually breaking bones and causing a great deal of pain. After a while, they started training officers to utilize the strike zones of the upper arm and upper thigh, both of which are large bulky muscle groups. Anyone that's used a CSB will tell you they pretty much suck at that, they lack the mass to do significant injury to an attacker. |
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Posted: 4/17/2017 7:31:02 PM EDT
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My SL20 has few love marks and gets used frequently. Asp took a resting position in the trunk.
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Posted: 4/17/2017 7:31:06 PM EDT
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Just my opinion and all but I think the country would be better off if more people got their asses whipped with a baton instead of tasered. But, I've always liked the classics.
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Posted: 4/17/2017 7:34:57 PM EDT
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The issue them to us in fed prison during riots. Baton with a rib slitter errr shiny metal ball on the end
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Posted: 4/17/2017 7:36:37 PM EDT
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Some do around here, some don't. We don't have them in the jail, and now that I think about it, I haven't seen any of our road guys carrying them either.
I was trained on their use in my academy though. I did some years in the DNR Parks Division, and the only defensive weapons our Rangers carry was OC spray and ASP batons...which I think is pretty stupid for being uniformed Law Enforcement... |
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Posted: 4/17/2017 7:40:22 PM EDT
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That is pretty cool. Of the "toys of the glory days" I wish I could carry a leaded sap. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Anchorage Police Department still carry espantoons. Of the "toys of the glory days" I wish I could carry a leaded sap. ...who remembers "sap pockets" in uniform pants? 
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Posted: 4/17/2017 7:40:55 PM EDT
[#32]
PR-24s for the win.
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Posted: 4/17/2017 7:41:45 PM EDT
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I was just about to ask... ...who remembers "sap pockets" in uniform pants? |
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Posted: 4/17/2017 7:42:39 PM EDT
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What blows me away are the agencies that mandate plastic bodied flashlights. Just
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Posted: 4/17/2017 7:44:14 PM EDT
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I see a lot of cops with collapsible batons directly behind their pistols, and the baton is positioned diagonally, blocking the pistol from being accessed. Is that intentional?
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Posted: 4/17/2017 7:44:43 PM EDT
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I carry an ASP daily at work. |
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Posted: 4/17/2017 7:44:43 PM EDT
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What blows me away are the agencies that mandate plastic bodied flashlights. Just |
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Posted: 4/17/2017 7:46:30 PM EDT
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We still use PR-24s and 36" batons for right control. You can generate some serious skull splitting power with a PR-24!
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Posted: 4/17/2017 7:46:51 PM EDT
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SFPD does.
Wooden ones. |
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Posted: 4/17/2017 7:48:19 PM EDT
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... watching an old CHiPs TV show today made me think of this inquiry
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Posted: 4/17/2017 7:50:28 PM EDT
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We have specific policy barring the use of flashlights as impact weapons. |
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Posted: 4/17/2017 7:50:29 PM EDT
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I see a lot of cops with collapsible batons directly behind their pistols, and the baton is positioned diagonally, blocking the pistol from being accessed. Is that intentional? |
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Posted: 4/17/2017 7:54:46 PM EDT
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the sound that shall not be spoken.
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Posted: 4/17/2017 7:55:04 PM EDT
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I was just about to ask... ...who remembers "sap pockets" in uniform pants? |
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Posted: 4/17/2017 7:55:11 PM EDT
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I used to carry an ASP, most of my co-workers still do. I carry a 26" Cocobolo straight stick, it comes out and goes on my belt for anything other than a traffic stop or casual contact. Any "real" call, it's there. I've found that the sight of it alone diffuses those who are any less than fully committed to being an out of control asswipe.
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Posted: 4/17/2017 8:05:34 PM EDT
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The point is, you get out of the cesspool cities, and police UoF tends to be judged a lot more objectively. If a motherfucker needed to get hit with a stick to be arrested, then the cop that hit him with a stick is probably going to be alright. |
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Posted: 4/17/2017 8:06:25 PM EDT
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I carry an ASP daily at work. |
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Posted: 4/17/2017 8:09:00 PM EDT
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Same. Though I've never used it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I carry an ASP daily at work. |
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Posted: 4/17/2017 8:09:14 PM EDT
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I got issued a straight wood baton when I got hired 17 years ago. Never carried it. I did carry an ASP for awhile but they kinda suck. Not enough mass.
I still carry the ASP in my duty bag in my cruiser. The wood baton is next to the front door at home. |
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Posted: 4/17/2017 8:19:45 PM EDT
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I used to carry an ASP, most of my co-workers still do. I carry a 26" Cocobolo straight stick, it comes out and goes on my belt for anything other than a traffic stop or casual contact. Any "real" call, it's there. I've found that the sight of it alone diffuses those who are any less than fully committed to being an out of control asswipe. |
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