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Posted: 10/22/2004 3:56:41 PM EST
... What kind of fvcked up sh|t is this?

Link Posted: 10/22/2004 3:57:35 PM EST
haha. they finally get there and now they cant enjoy the game.

makes sense.
Link Posted: 10/22/2004 4:02:31 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/22/2004 4:02:56 PM EST
Now they are banning sports on TV? What is the fine? Did this go through the legislature or will the .gov threaten to "come down hard" on anyones liquor license if they do not obey der liberal fuher?

WTF, over?
Link Posted: 10/22/2004 4:03:41 PM EST
Assinine! Absolutely assinine!!
Link Posted: 10/22/2004 4:03:50 PM EST
Thank You Socialism
Link Posted: 10/22/2004 4:04:30 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/22/2004 4:04:54 PM EST by Wave]
Link Posted: 10/22/2004 4:04:45 PM EST
I...smell...LAWSUIT!
Link Posted: 10/22/2004 4:05:26 PM EST
Hmmm... banned in bars? How did this happen and how can it be allowed? Bars are a private establishment and TV isn't alcohol or food.
Link Posted: 10/22/2004 4:05:59 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/22/2004 4:07:37 PM EST by Blue_Monkey]
No no no no! You got it all wrong. What they are doing is banning news crews from doing live shots inside bars to get fan reaction. They feel it just encourages people to act up and could cause injuries inside crowded bars.



Menino meets with bar owners about liquor ban near Fenway
By Associated Press
Friday, October 22, 2004

BOSTON - Alcohol will be sold at Boston bars around during the World Series.

But Boston Mayor Thomas Menino and local bar owners have agreed to concessions to try to prevent rowdiness.

Police will be inside bars to stop overcrowding and overserving.

No long lines outside bars will be allowed.

And there's a ban on television live shots inside the bars. Networks use the shots to get fan reactions to the game.

Today's agreement covers bars in the Fenway, waterfront and Faneuil Hall areas.

Menino met with 25 bar owners after suggesting a ban on liquor sales to prevent violence.

Menino was reacting to the death of Victoria Snelgrove. The Emerson College student was killed when police fired a pepper spray-loaded projectile into an unruly crowd after the Red Sox won the ALCS.




Link Posted: 10/22/2004 4:06:45 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/22/2004 4:07:35 PM EST by PointlessSilly]

Originally Posted By Winston_Wolf:
... What kind of fvcked up sh|t is this?



The the MLB having the government do what it alone can not... boost stadium ticket sales...

Link Posted: 10/22/2004 4:06:47 PM EST

Originally Posted By Ein:
Hmmm... banned in bars? How did this happen and how can it be allowed? Bars are a private establishment and TV isn't alcohol or food.



hmm...how exactly can they enforce this.

sounds to me like they're inviting more civil disobediance.
Link Posted: 10/22/2004 4:13:30 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/22/2004 5:28:41 PM EST by benbob]

Originally Posted By PointlessSilly:

Originally Posted By Winston_Wolf:
... What kind of fvcked up sh|t is this?



The the MLB having the government do what it alone can not... boost stadium ticket sales...





It's a safe bet the games are already sold out, try again.
Link Posted: 10/22/2004 5:27:34 PM EST
What are Norm and Cliff going to do????

GunLvr
Link Posted: 10/22/2004 5:28:51 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/22/2004 9:18:25 PM EST
WTF, over?
Link Posted: 10/22/2004 9:28:47 PM EST
I"m confused, is this the USA? If not, I want to go hme.
Link Posted: 10/22/2004 9:31:58 PM EST
i dont think they can do that. I dont see how they can.

If anyone gets fined for doing it.. they will take them to court.. and the person being fined will win.
Link Posted: 10/22/2004 9:57:07 PM EST
flame suit on:


having grown up in that neck of the woods and having experienced the savegery of the Boston Sports Crowd, the mayor is simply trying to keep the mayhem down.


Hey, you didn't gripe about Martial Law during the Rodney King riots, did you?


Besides, WTF, let them stew in their own liberal do-good juices!
Link Posted: 10/22/2004 10:03:06 PM EST

Originally Posted By piccolo:
flame suit on:


having grown up in that neck of the woods and having experienced the savegery of the Boston Sports Crowd, the mayor is simply trying to keep the mayhem down.


Hey, you didn't gripe about Martial Law during the Rodney King riots, did you?


Besides, WTF, let them stew in their own liberal do-good juices!



Interesting perspective.....
Link Posted: 10/22/2004 10:11:20 PM EST

Originally Posted By Who_Me:
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Interesting perspective.....




Hey, they keep voting these Nanny State do-gooders in. Let it come home to roost!
Link Posted: 10/22/2004 10:22:27 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/22/2004 10:24:45 PM EST by Dave_A]

Originally Posted By JoeWang:
Now they are banning sports on TV? What is the fine? Did this go through the legislature or will the .gov threaten to "come down hard" on anyones liquor license if they do not obey der liberal fuher?

WTF, over?



City Ordinance, after the riots

No, wait, VOLUNTARILY ENTERED COMPLIANCE AGREEMENT to head off a city ordinance...

'Penalty' would probably include yanking the bar's booze ticket...
Link Posted: 10/23/2004 2:23:40 AM EST

Originally Posted By Blue_Monkey:
No no no no! You got it all wrong. What they are doing is banning news crews from doing live shots inside bars to get fan reaction. They feel it just encourages people to act up and could cause injuries inside crowded bars.

Correct, they are not banning tv in the bars.

Hoppy8420
Link Posted: 10/23/2004 3:12:19 AM EST
Wait a second. So because a cop negligently fired a "non-lethal" weapon into a crowd at eye-level, killing a girl, they are taking measures "to reduce rowdiness"??? What kind of twisted logic is that???
Link Posted: 10/23/2004 3:25:10 AM EST
WHO CARES !
Link Posted: 10/23/2004 3:41:23 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/23/2004 3:46:55 AM EST
Bar Owners must be a little pissed.

Link Posted: 10/23/2004 3:53:53 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/23/2004 3:55:14 AM EST
Curse of the Bambino.... STILL ALIVE!
Link Posted: 10/23/2004 3:56:14 AM EST

Originally Posted By Cincinnatus:
Bar Owners must be a little pissed.




The bar owners in the affected areas worked with city officials to keep TV news crews out of the bars, not to ban showing the game on TV in those establishments. If I was a bar owner I would most likely want to keep out anything that may increase the ruckus and potential damages.


Again for those not reading the entire thread: there will be beer ($3.50- $5.00 for a draft Bud) and plenty of TVs showing the game in Boston. THere just won't be any TV crews allowed in the bars for live coverage of the fan reactions.
Link Posted: 10/23/2004 4:05:49 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/23/2004 4:16:47 AM EST

Originally Posted By kill-9:
Wait a second. So because a cop negligently fired a "non-lethal" weapon into a crowd at eye-level, killing a girl, they are taking measures "to reduce rowdiness"??? What kind of twisted logic is that???



Did you miss the news reports on burning cars and other property damage?
Link Posted: 10/23/2004 4:20:55 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/23/2004 4:21:41 AM EST

Originally Posted By piccolo:
flame suit on:

having grown up in that neck of the woods and having experienced the savegery of the Boston Sports Crowd, the mayor is simply trying to keep the mayhem down.



I'm going to have to agree with your sentiment.

Freedom doesn't give you the right to act like a bafoon and destroy property. Freedom gives you the right to be a free person, and with that freedom comes the responsibility to act like a human being.
Link Posted: 10/23/2004 4:34:05 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/23/2004 4:38:34 AM EST by TomJefferson]
Link Posted: 10/23/2004 4:38:04 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/23/2004 4:53:46 AM EST

Originally Posted By Blue_Monkey:
No no no no! You got it all wrong. What they are doing is banning news crews from doing live shots inside bars to get fan reaction. They feel it just encourages people to act up and could cause injuries inside crowded bars.



So in other words the government is going to restrict the freedom of the press?

I personally think its wrong to have any restrictions on stuff like that, or alcohol, or watchign the game.

However its apparent that there are alot of s up there.

Still I think the darwinism that occurs at riots and such should be the proper way to deal with the sitution, rather than restricting freedoms.
Link Posted: 10/23/2004 5:00:17 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/23/2004 5:07:15 AM EST

Originally Posted By TomJefferson:
Then make the bafoon responsible for his actions and not punish others in order to control the bafoon.



The bafoon is already responsible. The problem is, when people get drunk, or are in a crowd mentality, they forget they are responsible and commit crimes. Property ends up getting damaged, people end up getting killed.

So, how do you prevent the transition from human to bafoon?


I mean you guys really don't see that banning TV coverage on and in private property as being a violation of YOUR rights?


Yes, I do, and it sucks. It also is a violation of someone's rights to get killed or have their property damaged.

So, what's the solution?

Link Posted: 10/23/2004 5:11:10 AM EST
More .gov baby sitting it's children


GM
Link Posted: 10/23/2004 5:22:27 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/23/2004 9:33:32 AM EST by wganz]


Forgetting the constitution for the good of the majority is the path to communism.

The mayor is a liberal idiot that is taking away freedoms to try to control the peoplesheeple. It's that simple.

Tj




Fixed it for you Tj.

wganz

Link Posted: 10/23/2004 6:27:37 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/23/2004 6:31:41 AM EST by Blue_Monkey]

Originally Posted By OFFascist:

Originally Posted By Blue_Monkey:
No no no no! You got it all wrong. What they are doing is banning news crews from doing live shots inside bars to get fan reaction. They feel it just encourages people to act up and could cause injuries inside crowded bars.



So in other words the government is going to restrict the freedom of the press?

I personally think its wrong to have any restrictions on stuff like that, or alcohol, or watchign the game.

However its apparent that there are alot of s up there.

Still I think the darwinism that occurs at riots and such should be the proper way to deal with the sitution, rather than restricting freedoms.




I should have edited that statement. The mayor did not ban live shots. He worked with area bar owners to come up with methods to reduce the potential for problems. A fight or injury inside a licensed premise (establishment that serves alcohol) results in a violation that could lead to suspension/revocation of their liquor license and/or restricted serving hours. And NO bar owner wants that! Plus if someone gets hurt inside or in front of a bar because of overcrowding or "excessive rowdiness", watch out for the incoming lawsuits! I'm sure the owners are more than willing to reduce their potential liability.

Edited to add: "Mumbles" Menino is still an idiot!
Link Posted: 10/23/2004 6:29:03 AM EST
I don't believe this!

Hell, they're contemplating restricting alcohol sales altogether!


Tell me again how the American Revolution began in BOSTON?
Link Posted: 10/23/2004 6:32:45 AM EST

Originally Posted By TomJefferson:
I feel most on this thread are tad more upset about the loss of 1st admendment rights than if they can get beer and watch a game.



1st Amendment doesn't guarantee a news crew the right to enter private property, though. If you want to express your freedom of expression in front of a TV camera, simply exit to the street, and I'm sure you'll be able to find one.


Sports fans & drinkers: no need for a knee-jerk reaction. This does not affect you. Move along.
Link Posted: 10/23/2004 6:33:34 AM EST

Originally Posted By Defcon:
Thank God someone is protecting us from ourselves!!!!



Sadly, it's apparently necessary.
Link Posted: 10/23/2004 7:11:36 AM EST

Originally Posted By Wave:
I heard that alcohol sales were banned too at the game...

The Curse of the Bambino stikes in many different ways?



I hear you on this one!
Link Posted: 10/23/2004 7:37:01 AM EST
Sad to say the revolution started in Massachusetts. Maybe it is time for another one!

Stuff like this is what made me move to NH
Link Posted: 10/23/2004 7:42:45 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/23/2004 7:44:18 AM EST by OFFascist]

Originally Posted By back40:
Yes, I do, and it sucks. It also is a violation of someone's rights to get killed or have their property damaged.

So, what's the solution?



First of all I would have to ask, "whats the problem?"

Its already illegal to murder and damage property. Have the police enforce the laws, and if they are unable/unwilling to then armed citizens should do what they need to to protect themselves and thier property.
Link Posted: 10/23/2004 7:59:35 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/23/2004 8:18:26 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/23/2004 8:20:39 AM EST by TomJefferson]
Link Posted: 10/23/2004 8:33:56 AM EST

Originally Posted By piccolo:

Originally Posted By Who_Me:
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Interesting perspective.....




Hey, they keep voting these Nanny State do-gooders in. Let it come home to roost!


Amen!
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