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Posted: 3/25/2009 12:32:00 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/26/2009 12:56:43 PM EDT by Ryan250]
H.R.1388
Title: To reauthorize and reform the national service laws.



Thursday, March 19, 2009 The House passed a bill yesterday which includes disturbing language indicating young people will be forced to undertake mandatory national service programs as fears about President Barack Obamas promised civilian national security force intensify.

The Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education Act, known as the GIVE Act, was passed yesterday by a 321-105 House margin and a 74-14 Senate margin


UPDATE: Both Senate and House Pass HR1388
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=s2009-108



Senate Report: 74 to 14
House Report: 321-105




Explanation of the G.I.V.E act

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es_59215X-g

Compulsory: Obligatory; required




http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-1388

Look closely at section 6104(b)(5 & 6)

(5) The effect on the Nation, on those who serve, and on the families of those who serve, if all individuals in the United States were expected to perform national service or were required to perform a certain amount of national service.

(6) Whether a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed, and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the Nation and overcome civic challenges by bringing together people from diverse economic, ethnic, and educational backgrounds.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRVMNS1VlLg


Still didn't sit well with me, so I decided to do more research on the "G.I.V.E" act (how clever!) . I mean, after all, how could this go hidden with little to NO mainstream coverage? So far, I couldn't debunk it.

Okay, now I'm getting worried. It still seems way to absurd to be true...

Then I found this...


http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h1388/show

H.Amdt48 Pass Amendment numbered 10 printed in House Report 111-39 to create a National Service Reserve Corps and requires an annual service requirement of at least 10 hours and/or annual training. A member of the National Service Reserve Corps is one who has completed a term of national service, fulfilled training, and will respond to national disasters and other emergencies. These individuals will be listed in a national database for the ease of immediate deployment in case of emergency.
H.Amdt49 Pass Amendment to prohibit organizations from attempting to influence legislation; organize or engage in protests, petitions, boycotts, or strikes; and assist, promote, or deter union organizing.



http://www.thepeoplescube.com/images/Obama_Poster_ArbeitMachtFre.gif

Arbeit macht frei" is a German phrase meaning "work brings freedom" or "work shall set you free/will free you" or "work liberates" and, literally in English, "work makes (one) free". The slogan is known for being placed at the entrances to a number of Nazi concentration camps.


Slavery:# The state of one bound in servitude as the property of a slaveholder or household.

1. The practice of owning slaves.
2. A mode of production in which slaves constitute the principal work force.

# The condition of being subject or addicted to a specified influence.


Quoting from another member on BodyBuilding.com- "Duckenheimer brings up a great point' http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=306854441&postcount=89

Notice there's no date on any of this?

Look at Rahm Emanuals interviews on mandatory service for everyone aged 18-25. Notice he doesn't provide a date?

Notice the "Change" website did not provide a date before (or indeed, after) it edited the mandatory part in its references to youth service.

People can't answer what there is presently no answer to.


I saw a spade the other day, oh, I’m sorry, it was not a spade it was a pointed shovel. Most of the pro 1388 dialogue
here is putting sugar on shit, it still smells the same but for those that eat it, it only tastes a little sweeter.


IMPORTANT UPDATE:


Here is the petition against H.R. 1388 :
http://www.petitiononline.com/no1388/petition.html
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 12:45:29 AM EDT
Brother, I feel sorry for you dudes in Illinois.

Great linkage. Interesting read. Not liking the way that resolution sounds. Wish there was a way to prove that there was nothing to worry about with Obama's trash.

The youtube video inflamed this guy . Making children sing praises to "Him...."

Rusty Shackleford may be making a comeback.
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 1:08:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/25/2009 1:13:11 AM EDT by Ryan250]
Deliberately targeting the youth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es_59215X-g
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 1:17:50 AM EDT
I wonder what the real-world implications of this one will be.
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 1:22:15 AM EDT
First off I didn't read the text of the bill. Second, he will be gone in 4-8 years so what he does can be undone. Third, my children are NOT going to any mandatory nonsense no matter what party wants it. They can - as always - kiss my ass.
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 1:24:38 AM EDT
How does this not violate the 13th amendment?
Oh yeah, they don't care about the constitution.
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 1:26:46 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Maryland_Shooter:
First off I didn't read the text of the bill. Second, he will be gone in 4-8 years so what he does can be undone. Third, my children are NOT going to any mandatory nonsense no matter what party wants it. They can - as always - kiss my ass.


It's already passed BOTH Senate and House.

It's law now.
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 1:28:49 AM EDT
SEC. 1508. AUTHORIZED BENEFITS FOR CORPS MEMBERS.

<a class="extractor" title="Extract this section"></a><a class="linker" title="Link to this section"></a>
Section 158 (42 U.S.C. 12618) is amended––

(1) in subsection (a) by inserting ‘National’ before ‘Civilian Community Corps’; and

(2) in subsection (c)––

<a class="extractor" title="Extract this section"></a><a class="linker" title="Link to this section"></a>
(A) in the matter preceding paragraph (1)––

(i) by inserting ‘National’ before ‘Civilian Community Corps’; and

<a class="extractor" title="Extract this section"></a><a class="linker" title="Link to this section"></a>
(ii) by inserting before the colon the following: ‘, as the Director determines appropriate’;

(B) in paragraph (6), by striking ‘Clothing’ and inserting ‘Uniforms’; and

(C) in paragraph (7), by striking ‘Recreational services and supplies’ and inserting ‘Supplies’.

Link Posted: 3/25/2009 1:29:33 AM EDT
flame suite on



imo a lil compulsory service is exactly what todays me me me generation needs
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 1:32:09 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Ryan250:
Originally Posted By Maryland_Shooter:
First off I didn't read the text of the bill. Second, he will be gone in 4-8 years so what he does can be undone. Third, my children are NOT going to any mandatory nonsense no matter what party wants it. They can - as always - kiss my ass.


It's already passed BOTH Senate and House.

It's law now.


Don't care - ain't happening.

Link Posted: 3/25/2009 1:33:42 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/25/2009 1:36:59 AM EDT by Ryan250]
Originally Posted By luger355:
flame suite on



imo a lil compulsory service is exactly what todays me me me generation needs



imo a lil compulsory service is exactly what todays me me me generation needs

You can give incentives to get kids to volunteer, such as reimbursement on tuition. Even then, it's a slippery slope.

But outright FORCING Middle School, High School and College kids to service there government is nothing less then TYRANNY.
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 1:34:22 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 1:34:42 AM EDT
And so it begins...
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 1:34:44 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Maryland_Shooter:
Originally Posted By Ryan250:
Originally Posted By Maryland_Shooter:
First off I didn't read the text of the bill. Second, he will be gone in 4-8 years so what he does can be undone. Third, my children are NOT going to any mandatory nonsense no matter what party wants it. They can - as always - kiss my ass.


It's already passed BOTH Senate and House.

It's law now.


Don't care - ain't happening.



You and I both.
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 1:37:33 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Ryan250:
Originally Posted By luger355:
flame suite on



imo a lil compulsory service is exactly what todays me me me generation needs



imo a lil compulsory service is exactly what todays me me me generation needs

You can give incentives to get kids to volunteer, such as reimbursement on tuition. Even then, it's a slippery slope.

But forcing MIDDLE SCHOOL, HIGH SCHOOL and COLLEGE kids to service there government is nothing less then TYRANNY.


or they could be forced to work a REAL job by cutting off all hand outs and entitlements. Then perhaps they will learn something about EARNING their way through life. This generation needs to wake the fuck up and live in the real world, not make believe soviet land where robo-Stalin and zombie Hitler hold hands in a field of fucking rainbows.
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 1:38:57 AM EDT
Don't be stupid.
Be a smartie.
Come and join
The Nazi Obama's party!

Link Posted: 3/25/2009 1:40:22 AM EDT
Originally Posted By WarWeapon762:
Originally Posted By Ryan250:
Originally Posted By luger355:
flame suite on



imo a lil compulsory service is exactly what todays me me me generation needs



imo a lil compulsory service is exactly what todays me me me generation needs

You can give incentives to get kids to volunteer, such as reimbursement on tuition. Even then, it's a slippery slope.

But forcing MIDDLE SCHOOL, HIGH SCHOOL and COLLEGE kids to service there government is nothing less then TYRANNY.


or they could be forced to work a REAL job by cutting off all hand outs and entitlements. Then perhaps they will learn something about EARNING their way through life. This generation needs to wake the fuck up and live in the real world, not make believe soviet land where robo-Stalin and zombie Hitler hold hands in a field of fucking rainbows.


Couldn't agree more.
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 1:41:52 AM EDT
Forcing people to work without pay, isn't that called "slavery"??? I'm sure this is going to be challenged in the courts.
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 1:43:38 AM EDT
Ok, it's law.

So what now?

When do they start actually forcing people into this BS?

And, is it actually "forcing"?


Like, are they going to come get me and force me into a uniform?
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 1:43:54 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/25/2009 1:44:44 AM EDT by honorabledog]
wtf?


Link Posted: 3/25/2009 1:44:05 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Ryan250:
Originally Posted By WarWeapon762:
Originally Posted By Ryan250:
Originally Posted By luger355:
flame suite on



imo a lil compulsory service is exactly what todays me me me generation needs



imo a lil compulsory service is exactly what todays me me me generation needs

You can give incentives to get kids to volunteer, such as reimbursement on tuition. Even then, it's a slippery slope.

But forcing MIDDLE SCHOOL, HIGH SCHOOL and COLLEGE kids to service there government is nothing less then TYRANNY.


or they could be forced to work a REAL job by cutting off all hand outs and entitlements. Then perhaps they will learn something about EARNING their way through life. This generation needs to wake the fuck up and live in the real world, not make believe soviet land where robo-Stalin and zombie Hitler hold hands in a field of fucking rainbows.


Couldn't agree more.


I know this first hand.. I go to college full-time and I work full-time.. Nothing pisses me off more than a scum bag socialist looking to appease the weak.
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 1:47:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/25/2009 1:47:54 AM EDT by Willz]
Originally Posted By Maryland_Shooter:
First off I didn't read the text of the bill. Second, he will be gone in 4-8 years so what he does can be undone. Third, my children are NOT going to any mandatory nonsense no matter what party wants it. They can - as always - kiss my ass.



Do your children go to governmet schools or private schools?

It's mandatory government education already...


.

Link Posted: 3/25/2009 1:49:22 AM EDT

OpenCongress Summary:

The Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education (GIVE) Act would dramatically increase funding for AmeriCorps and other volunteer programs, including those for seniors and veterans. It also establishes a goal of expanding from 75,000 government-supported volunteers to 250,000, and would increase education funding and establish a summer service program for students, paying $500 (which would be applied to college costs) to high-school and middle-school student who participate.

In its current form, the legislation does not include a mandate requiring service.







Link Posted: 3/25/2009 1:53:06 AM EDT
But... they get clothing!!!

Link Posted: 3/25/2009 1:55:47 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/25/2009 1:56:01 AM EDT by Ryan250]
Originally Posted By packingXDs:

OpenCongress Summary:

TheGenerations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education (GIVE) Act woulddramatically increase funding for AmeriCorps and other volunteerprograms, including those for seniors and veterans. It also establishesa goal of expanding from 75,000 government-supported volunteers to250,000, and would increase education funding and establish a summerservice program for students, paying $500 (which would be applied tocollege costs) to high-school and middle-school student who participate.

In its current form, the legislation does not include a mandate requiring service.









In it's CURRENT form - but understand the legislation requires that a plan for mandatory service be developed.
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 1:57:10 AM EDT
These things happen!
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 2:02:18 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Ryan250:
Originally Posted By WarWeapon762:
Originally Posted By Ryan250:
Originally Posted By luger355:
flame suite on



imo a lil compulsory service is exactly what todays me me me generation needs



imo a lil compulsory service is exactly what todays me me me generation needs

You can give incentives to get kids to volunteer, such as reimbursement on tuition. Even then, it's a slippery slope.

But forcing MIDDLE SCHOOL, HIGH SCHOOL and COLLEGE kids to service there government is nothing less then TYRANNY.


or they could be forced to work a REAL job by cutting off all hand outs and entitlements. Then perhaps they will learn something about EARNING their way through life. This generation needs to wake the fuck up and live in the real world, not make believe soviet land where robo-Stalin and zombie Hitler hold hands in a field of fucking rainbows.


Couldn't agree more.



+2
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 2:10:15 AM EDT

Originally Posted By luger355:
flame suite on



imo a lil compulsory service is exactly what todays me me me generation needs
Forcing people to "serve" is not freedom. That is a decision that should be left to the individual.
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 2:10:40 AM EDT
so how does volunteering and law go together?
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 2:13:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/25/2009 2:15:37 AM EDT by Towely]
I'm not going to 'volunteer' for jack shit! I barely have enough time as it is with work, homework, and classroom time! FUCK YOU!!!!!

edit: never thought I'd see the day where I might have to actually break the law to stand up for what I believe in, and here I am, not even 21 years old yet, and I could very well be faced with that in the near future.
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 2:14:23 AM EDT
I shed a tear for the death of freedom today...
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 2:16:23 AM EDT
Originally Posted By fishngrits:

Originally Posted By luger355:
flame suite on



imo a lil compulsory service is exactly what todays me me me generation needs
Forcing people to "serve" is not freedom. That is a decision that should be left to the individual.


And a wind of fresh air hits the audience...
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 2:19:45 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Towely:
I'm not going to 'volunteer' for jack shit! I barely have enough time as it is with work, homework, and classroom time! FUCK YOU!!!!!

edit: never thought I'd see the day where I might have to actually break the law to stand up for what I believe in, and here I am, not even 21 years old yet, and I could very well be faced with that in the near future.


I'm right there with ya. It's scary to think - I will be condemned and imprisoned for my beliefs. Their is now way in hell you will see me participating in mandatory work and military brigades. Not now, not ever.
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 2:24:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/25/2009 2:26:23 AM EDT by MethylMercaptan]
SEC. 6104. DUTIES.

(a) General Purpose- The purpose of the Commission is to gather and analyze information in order to make recommendations to Congress to––

(1) improve the ability of individuals in the United States to serve others and, by doing so, to enhance our Nation and the global community;

(2) train leaders in public service organizations to better utilize individuals committed to national service and volunteerism as they manage human and fiscal resources;

(3) identify and offer solutions to the barriers that make it difficult for some individuals in the United States to volunteer or perform national service; and

(4) build on the foundation of service and volunteer opportunities that are currently available.

(b) Specific Topics- In carrying out its general purpose under subsection (a), the Commission shall address and analyze the following specific topics:

(1) The level of understanding about the current Federal, State, and local volunteer programs and opportunities for service among individuals in the United States.

(2) The issues that deter volunteerism and national service, particularly among young people, and how the identified issues can be overcome.

(3) Whether there is an appropriate role for Federal, State, and local governments in overcoming the issues that deter volunteerism and national service and, if appropriate, how to expand the relationships and partnerships between different levels of government in promoting volunteerism and national service.

(4) Whether existing databases are effective in matching community needs to would-be volunteers and service providers.

(5) The effect on the Nation, on those who serve, and on the families of those who serve, if all individuals in the United States were expected to perform national service or were required to perform a certain amount of national service.

(6) Whether a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed, and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the Nation and overcome civic challenges by bringing together people from diverse economic, ethnic, and educational backgrounds.

(7) The need for a public service academy, a 4-year institution that offers a federally funded undergraduate education with a focus on training future public sector leaders.

(8) The means to develop awareness of national service and volunteer opportunities at a young age by creating, expanding, and promoting service options for elementary and secondary school students, through service learning or other means, and by raising awareness of existing incentives.

(9) The effectiveness of establishing a training program on college campuses to recruit and educate college students for national service.

(10) The effect on United States diplomacy and foreign policy interests of expanding service opportunities abroad, such as the Peace Corps, and the degree of need and capacity abroad for an expansion.

(11) The constraints that service providers, nonprofit organizations, and State and local agencies face in utilizing federally funded volunteer programs, and how these constraints can be overcome.

(12) Whether current Federal volunteer programs are suited to address the special skills and needs of senior volunteers, and if not, how these programs can be improved such that the Federal Government can effectively promote service among the ‘baby boomer’ generation.




They are talking about forming a committee to address those issues, not an institution that will enact them. Now, don't all run around like decapitated chickens yet.

By the way, this is from the House Reported version. I'm trying to figure out if the text is even contained on the Senate portion.
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 2:27:13 AM EDT
So, its a law now.





Obey,




Or, WHAT? Exactly? No, fuck you, my kids arent doing shit.
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 2:33:57 AM EDT
tag
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 2:38:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/25/2009 2:39:26 AM EDT by QBZ97]
National socialism is back in the form of Ebonic nationalism!!!
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 2:41:00 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/25/2009 2:53:30 AM EDT by Riotgun]
Originally Posted By BB223:
Ok, it's law.

So what now?

When do they start actually forcing people into this BS?

And, is it actually "forcing"?


Like, are they going to come get me and force me into a uniform?


This law creates a commission to study mandatory national service, it does not create a program to require mandatory service.

However, when mandatory service IS enacted, I'm sure that it will include language to the effect that you will NOT be able to graduate high school or college unless the educational institution has verified that you have completed the required service. I'm sure there will be a government database of registered and "acceptable" organizations, and of everyone who participates, for ease of verification.

Link Posted: 3/25/2009 2:43:57 AM EDT
Originally Posted By luger355:
flame suite on



imo a lil compulsory service is exactly what todays me me me generation needs


enjoy having your kids indoctrinated into liberal socialist thought for three years.


useful idiots.

Link Posted: 3/25/2009 2:46:23 AM EDT
What's with all the republicans supporting this?
We need a conservative party.
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 2:47:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/25/2009 2:58:06 AM EDT by Ryan250]
Originally Posted By Riotgun:
Originally Posted By BB223:
Ok, it's law.

So what now?

When do they start actually forcing people into this BS?

And, is it actually "forcing"?


Like, are they going to come get me and force me into a uniform?


This law creates a commission to study mandatory national service, it does not create a program to require mandatory service.

However, when mandatory service IS enacted, I'm sure that it will include language to the effect that you will NOT be able to graduate high scool or college unless the educational institution has verified that you have completed the required service. I'm sure there will be a government database of registered and "acceptable" organizations, and of everyone who participates, for ease of verification.



This is correct.

The point being here - is - where are the lines drawn? How far will the fed's flex their muscles? It's one step at a time - just like the gun legislation being introduced. They won't outright throw us in uniforms and make us work tomorrow. If they did that, their would be an obvious revolt. Just like anything else, they will slowly pass bills to get us used to the idea and tell us HOW GREAT IT IS! (Just typing that sounds CRAZY! - but it's true)

If you deny participating, you will be labeled a terrorist.

It makes me happy that more and more states are declaring sovereignty from the feds. Which in essence, means the right to exercise, within a territory, the functions of a state, exclusive of any other state, and subject to no authority other than international law.

The fact is, both Congress and Senate passed this bill. What will they pass next? It was also nowhere to be seen in the mainstream media - as if done on purpose.

Well over the majority of the people have NO idea about this bill. Which bring up another point on how they could possibly even get away with this and vote. Thank god for alternative media sources!

But hey, I suppose if you have control over the mass media outlets you have control on what the masses get to be informed of. You know, Important things, like Chris Brown slapping around Fergie (or whatever her name is.)
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 2:48:30 AM EDT
We don't even have a handle on how many illegals are here in country, and Congress wants to try a program like this?
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 3:00:34 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 3:00:55 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/25/2009 3:01:42 AM EDT by fatalerror113]
Originally Posted By Tomtbo:
We don't even have a handle on how many illegals are here in country, and Congress wants to try a program like this?


Obviously anything that is implemented along these lines would be mandatory for legal residents registered with the selective service (or its "civilian corps" equivalent.) I fail to see how this issue and illegals are connected.

I certainly hope that those chowderheads in Washington unfuck themselves, wake up, and realize this is a very bad idea.

Once this committee is formed we need to hit them hard expressing our opposition to this. I'm sure many of the college students who voted for BHO aren't really socialists, just idiots who fell for his rockstar image. Hopefully they will reject the notion that they should be forced to do anything.
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 3:04:18 AM EDT
Unbelievable................maybe america won't make this mistake again in 4 years. Tagged.
Link Posted: 3/25/2009 3:11:19 AM EDT
in before a certain member puts lipstick on it,,

I wrote this out in november of 08

How Obama is going to create his civilian home defence force 11/02/08
start with inner city youth in Chicago, LA, NY, DC, Miami, Dallas, Houston..
target 13 to 25 yr olds that dont have their heads on straight,
give a boy/man purpose and a goal, he will acheive.

give them a free uniform, free food, a place to crash, some walking around money, not much $100 a week
give them a sense of belonging
replace or become the father figure many of them don't have.

bring them into assigned housing, rules, set meal times. set class times, set TV times and bed times, if you dont do as told, youre out,,but,,let them back one more chance etc. carrot and stick.

get them in classes for no more than 3 hours a day. keeping attentions focused

broadcast on in house TV, with TVs in every room, hourly messages from the One, a computer animated program could put him in thier heads with different messages with out OBAMA seeing a single one.

group meals,
group classes
group chores
indoctrinate

Badges and medals for accomplisments
badges for showing up
badges for recruiting
medals for turning on or turning in neighbors or Parents

Self defense training to establish a sense of self and self-disipline
introduction to shooting sports
add the militaristic sense of unity and commaradre
Winnow our your future leaders,,
extra training,
extra walking around money,
a shinier uniform.
pick and choose your recuriters
train you Special Service Core of the new Homeland Defence Force.
yes, your puppy killers..

at the start of your third year, visits to local grammer schools, spouting the greatness of the HDF
indoctrination in the Govt day care centers
indoctrination schools where the Communists have already made an Iron Clad support system.


with in 4 years, there are over 3 million strong supportrs and members
double that every 2 years.

by the time he is apointed for his recordbreaking 3rd term..

your're America is long dead and buried..

Link Posted: 3/25/2009 3:14:33 AM EDT
Originally Posted By jeffm1000:
Unbelievable................maybe america won't make this mistake again in 4 years. Tagged.


Better get started , mid terms are in Nov 2010.


Link Posted: 3/25/2009 3:21:35 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Ryan250:
H.Amdt49 Pass Amendment to prohibit organizations from attempting to influence legislation; organize or engage in protests, petitions, boycotts, or strikes; and assist, promote, or deter union organizing.


Link Posted: 3/25/2009 3:24:40 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/25/2009 3:25:35 AM EDT by Tomtbo]
Originally Posted By fatalerror113:
Originally Posted By Tomtbo:
We don't even have a handle on how many illegals are here in country, and Congress wants to try a program like this?


Obviously anything that is implemented along these lines would be mandatory for legal residents registered with the selective service (or its "civilian corps" equivalent.) I fail to see how this issue and illegals are connected.

I certainly hope that those chowderheads in Washington unfuck themselves, wake up, and realize this is a very bad idea.

Once this committee is formed we need to hit them hard expressing our opposition to this. I'm sure many of the college students who voted for BHO aren't really socialists, just idiots who fell for his rockstar image. Hopefully they will reject the notion that they should be forced to do anything.



What I suspect is that this could be a "fast track to citizenship" program that would make it easier for illegals to become legal, and then always vote Democrat.

Link Posted: 3/25/2009 3:25:42 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/25/2009 3:26:12 AM EDT by Ryan250]
Originally Posted By douglasmorris99:
in before a certain member puts lipstick on it,,

I wrote this out in november of 08

How Obama is going to create his civilian home defence force 11/02/08
start with inner city youth in Chicago, LA, NY, DC, Miami, Dallas, Houston..
target 13 to 25 yr olds that dont have their heads on straight,
give a boy/man purpose and a goal, he will acheive.

give them a free uniform, free food, a place to crash, some walking around money, not much $100 a week
give them a sense of belonging
replace or become the father figure many of them don't have.

bring them into assigned housing, rules, set meal times. set class times, set TV times and bed times, if you dont do as told, youre out,,but,,let them back one more chance etc. carrot and stick.

get them in classes for no more than 3 hours a day. keeping attentions focused

broadcast on in house TV, with TVs in every room, hourly messages from the One, a computer animated program could put him in thier heads with different messages with out OBAMA seeing a single one.

group meals,
group classes
group chores
indoctrinate

Badges and medals for accomplisments
badges for showing up
badges for recruiting
medals for turning on or turning in neighbors or Parents

Self defense training to establish a sense of self and self-disipline
introduction to shooting sports
add the militaristic sense of unity and commaradre
Winnow our your future leaders,,
extra training,
extra walking around money,
a shinier uniform.
pick and choose your recuriters
train you Special Service Core of the new Homeland Defence Force.
yes, your puppy killers..

at the start of your third year, visits to local grammer schools, spouting the greatness of the HDF
indoctrination in the Govt day care centers
indoctrination schools where the Communists have already made an Iron Clad support system.


with in 4 years, there are over 3 million strong supportrs and members
double that every 2 years.

by the time he is apointed for his recordbreaking 3rd term..

your're America is long dead and buried..



I remember reading all about this. Up until now, I thought it was FAR to crazy to pass so I never payed much attention.

Link Posted: 3/25/2009 3:30:42 AM EDT
Originally Posted By gdblair:
Originally Posted By jeffm1000:
Unbelievable................maybe america won't make this mistake again in 4 years. Tagged.


Better get started , mid terms are in Nov 2010.




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