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Posted: 8/10/2013 1:51:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/14/2014 6:02:13 PM EDT by akethan]
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Older thread ................http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1483386_THE_ARFCOM_1_MOA_ALL_DAY_LONG_CHALLENGE.html
1 MOA ALL DAY LONG


Alright guys and girls, to time hit the range again. I'm bringing back this thread with primarily the same rules as last year. BillyDoubleU put a lot of work into putting this contest together and did a great job, so I'm re-using his post. The only changes this year are the unlimited class and the "Wall of Claim: A Call-out List."

This is the Official “How Good Are You” thread of AR15.com

What is it? It’s a challenge to all to prove how good you really are with a rifle! Not sometimes but consistently.

Keep it simple 5 shot groups, 5 groups per target

1 MOA = 100 Yards = 1.047"
––––––––-50 Yards = 0.5235"
––––––––-25 Yards = 0.26175"


Top 25 for each division

Separate list of 1 MOA shooters and a separate list for .5 MOA shooters.

REMEMBER this, all 5 groups of 5 shots must AVERAGE 1 MOA to make the list and claim the title of being a 1 MOA shooter.

Doing one .99" group and four 1.5" groups does not equal a 1 MOA shooter, it means you got lucky once and you are a 1.398 MOA shooter (assuming a 100 yard target)

This is a challenge but don't be afraid to try it out and post, every possible rifle style has been listed with a category and a distance. It's all in good fun and to be honest about your abilities.

With that in mind here are the rules.

1. ONE sheet of paper, 8.5”x11” preferred and it MUST HAVE ALL 5 targets.

Meaning 1 sheet of paper with FIVE targets. NO INDIVIDUAL TARGETS. THEY WILL NOT COUNT.


2. On that 1 sheet of paper with 5 targets you shoot 5 groups of 5 shots each. (In one day)


3. Each group is measured OUTSIDE GREASE RING TO OUTSIDE GREASE RING with calipers (preferred) or tape rule in inches. Then subtract the diameter of one bullet IE if your shooting a .223 and your 5 shot group measures 1.13" you will subtract 0.224" to get a group of 0.906". If you are shooting a .22lr you will subtract 0.223", for a 308 you will subtract 0.308" (Remember- the more precise your measurement the better)

Some common measurements:
.172" - .17 HMR
.223" - .22 Short, Long, Long Rifle
.224" - .223 Remington, .22 WMR, .22 Hornet
.243" - .243 Winchester
.284" - 7mm-08 Remington, 7mm Mag
.308" - .308 Winchester, .30-06, .300 Mag
.311" - 7.62x39 Soviet, .303 British
.338" - .338 Mag


4. NO MECHANICAL REST/SLED, NO VICE OR SIMILAR DEVICE THAT SUPPORTS THE ENITRE RIFLE, NO SHOOTING JACKETS, NO STRAPPING THE GUN INTO ANYTHING, NO LARGE REAR SANDBAG ** OR REST. SHOOTER MUST HAVE POSITIVE CONTROL OF RIFLE.

THE POINT IS TO SEE HOW GOOD YOU SHOOT, NOT HOW WELL YOU CAN MOUNT IT IN A MACHINE.


5. OK TO USE sandbag, rest, ruck, bipod, rock with a hat, sling etc. on forearm of the rifle.

**Will be OK to use a small rear sandbag (ie: sand sock or squeeze bag) or bean bag no bigger then a softball that must require constant hand pressure to maintain hold on target.

IE. Can NOT sandbag gun inplace. Shooter must maintain positive control of rifle.


6. Shooting position is up to you, sitting, standing, prone.


7. Posting:

1st picture of target set at the range you are shooting. If you are shooting more than one rifle at the same range using the same pic is okay.

2nd picture with 5 groups of 5 shots each, next to them write down group size.

3rd picture with calipers (or tape rule) left in place over BEST group.

4th picture of rifle and shooting setup (ie. Sandbag, prone and so on). Post all4 pics and also type in the post your 5 group sizes and what the average is. IE. .99”, 1.5”, 1.5”, 1.5”, 1.5” add them up, equals 6.99” and divide by five. So 6.99/5 = 1.398”

You can use the MOA formula, either way I will check the math and post the MOA on the result list.

For those of you who would like to use ontarget,   http://ontargetshooting.com/

Also type up specs of your rifle and ammo IE. Rem 700 with 168gr Federal SMK or Colt AR15 18" with Wolf 55gr FMJ or AK with 125gr Hand Loads PLEASE INCLUDE AMMO USED

*** Please include result at the end of your post in the final format:

Division you wish to be listed under with range, User_Name: Rifle Manufacturer and caliber - notable customizations- Scope- Ammo. Groups: 1"/2"/3"/4"/5" = avg. 3" = .287 MOA



If you do not post in this format or leave anything out your post will not be included.  


8. In each division you can only have your name up once per gun. Meaning that if you shoot the Iron Sight 22lr with your 10/22 and average a 1.65” group and lets say place 4th. If you use that same gun and do worse, even if you would place better then someone else it will not count for your group. Best group counts.

Now if you then shoot Iron Sight 22lr with your M&P 15-22 and shoot better, say 1.25” average groups and place 2nd. Both that score and the 10/22 score will remain. Different guns will be allowed for different group rankings within a division. Best group counts.

This also goes for the 1 MOA list. Meaning only your best MOA will be ranked on the 1 MOA list BUT if you also shoot 1 MOA or less with a different rifle, that will also count and your name will be added to the list for each different rifle you shoot 1 MOA or less with.

9. Remember, this is NOT a Bullseye challenge, it's a Groups challenge.

10. Any and all ammo is fine I don't care if you use Factory loads or your super secret Hand Load that Moses gave you.

11. Ties in average will go to the shooter with the smallest group.

Service Division (AR/AK/FAL/M1A1 etc style weapons)
Iron sights at 50 yards

Non-Magnified Optic at 50 yards

SPR Division (AR/AK/FAL/M1A etc WITH magnified optics) **See rule 5
100 yards

Bolt Division with magnified optics (any precision gun) ** See rule 5
100 yards

And for cheapness a 22lr Division

Any 22lr rifle with iron sights at 25 yards

Any 22lr rifle with non-magnified optic at 50 yards

Any 22lr rifle with magnified optic at 50 yards

Any 22lr rifle with magnified optic at 100 yards

Misc Small Bore Division
Any .17HMR/.17HM2/.17Fireball/.22WMR/.22 Hornet etc etc etc with any sighting system (Irons/nonmagnified/magnified) at 100 yards **See Rule 5


Unlimited Division
Catch-all class for anyone wishing to use a lead-sled, large sandbag set-up, or other assisting device prohibited from the other classes. 50yd minimum for non magnified optic rifles and 100 yd minimum for magnified optics of all calibers. Does not qualify you for MOA shooter list, but will be recognized as an MOA rifle owner. Further more if you have shot the same setup and are listed in a class you will not be eligible for unlimited. Let's not turn this into a full blown bench rest shoot.




Click to download target
Downloadable target

Target Black Diamonds

Small BFL Target

Small BFL Target

Modified 1MOA All Day Target



Gray grid 1 moa BFL

Black grid 1 moa BFL


MOA formula

How many MOA equal 2 inches at 200 yards?
(inches / yards) x 100 = MOA
(2 inches / 200 yards) x 100 = 1 MOA






This is for those that want to put up an honest effort and show what they can do!

UPDATE:

If you post a placeholder for a future attempt, be sure and notify me if you are not updated!

If entries start coming in and you post your results back on an earlier page, I might miss it if you don't point it out.
Link Posted: 8/10/2013 1:51:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/27/2014 2:03:56 PM EDT by akethan]
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Contest Entries

Service Division (AR/AK/FAL/M1A1 etc style weapons) Iron sights at 50 yards

1. nickforney: Noveske Recon 16" 5.56 - Geissele SSA-E trigger - Troy Iron sights - Hornady Superformance 53 grain vmax Groups: .546/ .922/ .535/ .453/ .373/ avg .5658 = 1.0806 MOA
2.Mwieczorek, Rock River NM AR-15, Geissele service rifle trigger, Bob Jones sight insert, Weller sling, 69 grain HPBT handloads, Groups: 0.560, 0.534, 0.780, 0.536, 0.659, average 0.614 = 1.17 MOA
3 Trobertson5-0: Springfield Armory(the real one!!) U.S Rifle Caliber .30 M1 -Purpose built JCG rifle. FGMM 168gr 30/06. Groups: .634"/.692"/.792"/.710"/1.042"/avg .774"= 1.48 MOA
4.Old_Painless/ M1A Springfield, .308, iron sights, 50 yds, Handloads/ Groups 1.215/ .790/ .728/ .720/ .752/ Average= .841/ = 1.606 MOA
5.Trobertson5-0: Colt Hbar Competition 1/9 - Matech irons - 52gr Berger match HP handload. Groups: 1.114"/.885"/.868"/.827"/.632/ avg .8652 = 1.65 MOA
6. AEnemaBay: Bulgarian AK-74 (home built), stock iron sights, 1989 Bulgarian 7n6 surplus. Groups: 0.786" / 0.786" / 0.786" / 1.098" / 1.161"/ Avg 0.923" = 1.762 MOA
7. Old_Painless: Swiss K-31 - iron sights - Swiss milsurp ammo. Groups .965"/.914"/.847"/1.529"/.869"/Avg 1.0248 = 1.96 MOA
8. fervid_dryfire: DPMS 5.56mm/.223 - Geisselle trigger- Iron sights- Fiocchi 55gr FMJ. Groups: .629/.943/.854/1.505/.671 = avg. .9204" = 1.7994 MOA  
9.Old_Painless/ Springfield 1903, .30-06, iron sights, 50 yds/ Handloads/ Groups: .877/ 1.075/ 1.291/ 1.434/ .932/ Average 1.1218/ = 2.143 MOA
10.Old_Painless: M-48 Mauser, 8mm, iron sights, 50 yds, handloads. Groups: .531/ 1.479/ 1.130/ 1.683/ .804/ Avg = 1.1254 = 2.149 MOA
11.Patchouli/ bushy postban 20"/ff handguard/weighted a1 stock/ Iron sights (rear folding)/black hills 69 grn otm red box/1.536, 1.826, 1.141, .955, 1.175
Avg=1.266" x2= 2.2532" / 1.047= 2.152 MOA
12. EJThor: 1940 Swiss K31, 7.5x55 Swiss - Stock Iron Tangent Sights - GP11 - Groups: 1.031" / 1.045" / 1.182" / 1.624" / 1.131" = Ave. 1.2026" = 2.297MOA
13. Old_Painless: Swedish 6.5 Mauser- iron sights - milsurp. Groups: .885/ 1.572/ 1.556/ .916/ 1.260/ Avg 1.2378 = 2.36 MOA
14. EJThor: 1899 Oberndorf Swedish M96 Mauser. 6.5x55 Swede - Stock iron tangent sights (300M zero) - PPU 120gr OTM. Groups: 1.540" / 0.881" / 1.306" / 1.351" / 1.095" Average: 1.2346" @ 50yd = 2.358 MOA  
15.Old_Painless: .303 Enfield, irons, 50 yds, handloads. Groups: 2.455/ 1.439/ .768/ 1.063/ 1.287/ Avg= 1.4024 = 2.678 MOA
16. Muad: ADCO SPR - RRA two-stage - GI style iron sights - 77gr SMK Black Hills. Groups: 0.5825"/1.171"/1.922"/1.835"/1.771"/ avg. 1.4563" = 2.78 MOA
17. Old_Painless: 1917 Eddystone - iron sights - handloads. Groups: 1.101/ 1.904/ 1.880/ 2.151/ 2.074/ Avg 1.822 = 3.48 MOA
18.Ragedracer1977: Spikes Tactical 16" M4 upper - Magpul MBUS- 55gr pulled M193 in front of 25.5 grains WC844. Groups: 3.1" / 2.1" / 0.872" / 2.922" / 1.941" = avg. 2.193" = 4.190 moa
19. BillyDoubleU : DPMS AP4 .223/5.56 Groups: 2.856"/2.356"/2.226"/1.776"/1.616" =Avg 2.166" = 4.332 MOA
20. FaucetFace: Springfield M1 Garand-HXP greek surplus 30-06. Groups: 2.592”/1.549”/2.885”/3.698”/1.298”/ avg 2.4044” = 4.59 MOA
21. Kalahnikid: M1 Garand 30-06 - Greek HXP. Groups: 3.092"/2.432"/1.92"/3.112"/2.292"/ avg 2.5696= 4.91 MOA

Non-Magnified Optic at 50 yards


1.nickforney: Stag upper 5.56 - Eotech - xm193. Groups: .990/ 1.143/ 1.220/ .922/ 1.002/ avg 1.06" = 2.02 moa
2.lefty-weaver-g19, BCM 14.5" upper w/home built Rock River lower, eotech, pmc 55 grain bronze ammo, 1.432, 0.797, 1.053, 1.417, 1.200 = average 1.179 X 2 = 2.358
3. FaucetFace: AR SBR-BCM 11.5” upper-AAC M42000-Aimpoint micro-Hornady 75gr BTHP over 25gr Varget. Groups: 1.18”/1.27”/1.434”/1.205”/1.581”/ avg. 1.334” = 2.55 MOA
4.  M4A1Carbine: DPMS AR15 5.56 - EOTech 512 - 55gr .223. Groups: 2.776"/2.526"/1.651"/1.276"/.901" = avg 1.826" = 3.4874 MOA
5. Ratfink57: Vepr .308 16"-muzzle device- Aimpoint M2, 80s British surplus L2A2. Groups: 1.542 / 1.760 / 1.955 / 2.229 / 2.142 Avg. 1.926 = 3.678 MOA
6. nickforney: SGL 31 - Trijicon RMR 8 moa - Hornady 60gr steel case vmax. Groups: 3.037/ 1.845/ 1.841/ 1.800/ 2.072/ avg 2.12" = 4.04 MOA
7. SouthEndXGF: MSAR STG 556 - E4 16" 5.56x45/.223 - no customization - Eotech 512 - Wolf WPA 62gr HP Steel Case . Groups: 2.852/1.526/2.833/3.224/2.940/avg 4.675"= 7.110 MOA

*buckstrucks: Ruger Ranch Rifle 5.56, Houge stock, Vortex Viper PST 1-4 set at 1x, handload 55g VMAX Groups: 1.41"/1.17"/1.89"/1.91"/1.06"/ avg 1.48" = 2.82 MOA
*Magnified Optic set to X1.
Link Posted: 8/10/2013 1:51:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/13/2014 10:21:29 AM EDT by akethan]
SPR Division (AR/AK/FAL/M1A etc WITH magnified optics) at 100 yards
1.Mike_P: Larue Stealth upper .223 Rem 18"/13.2" - Predatobr Black gold trigger + Atlas Bipod + A2 stock - 12x SWFA SS in LT104, 77gr FGMM, Groups 0.597 / 0.345 / 0.249 / 0.248 / 0.265 = avg .340 MOA
2. Rowlock: AR15, Home built Rock River 24", 5.56 NATO. Leupold Mark AR MOD 1 4-12x40mm. Federal Gold Medal .223 Remington 69 grain BTHP. Groups: 0.6175" / 0.9050" / 0.3185" / 0.6170" / 0.8873" = avg. 0.6691" = 0.639 MOA
3.InfiniteGrim: Home Build 18" LW50 5.56 / SWFA 5-20HD / Nosler 77gr Handloads: .701/.782/.580/.768/.744 = .715 MOA
4.akethan OBR 16" 7.62 / IOR 4-14 MP8/ 168gr GMM .818/.773/.610/.1.06/.397 = .733 MOA
5. lefty-weaver-g19. Built by me. Black hole weaponry custom barrel, vltor upper, timney trigger, SWFA fixed 10X mrad scope. Hand loaded 69 grain smk H4895 .811, .640, .361, 1.044, .834, average .738
6.Larue_Tactical tOBR 16" 556/ 77gr GMM .617 .623 .657 .969 .979= .769
7. MDMOORE99: Olympic Arms K8 5.56 - Primary Arms 4-14X44 Mil FFP Scope - Handloads. Groups .562/.876/.736/1.171/.724=avg .8138" = .777 MOA
8.Skg_Mre_Lght: : DPMS Classic 20, Modified- Vortex PST 4-16x EBR-1 -Geiselle trigger- Handloads. Groups: .556"/ 1.261"/ .938"/ .582"/ .683"/ avg .927"= .8038 MOA:
9.Eric802:18" BHW barrel, PA 4-16x44 scope, 75gr BTHP handloads (LC brass, RE-15): .912, .731, 1.158, .720, .779; avg. .860", .821 MOA.
10.BuickDan/AR-15 18" SPR homebrew .223/RRA 2-stage trigger/Mueller APT 4.5-14X40/Hornady 55 gr V-max handloads Groups: .744" .864" .716" .885" 1.101" Avg= .862" .8231MOA
11. Face454 20" Krieger Barrel .223, Tasco 16X scope, 75gr Black Hills: 1.111, 1.146, .579, .551, .944; avg. .8662", .8273 MOA
12..JohnTlag: Knights LPR - Leupold CQBSS - Handloads: 25 grains BLC-2 with 77 grain SMK's in LC brass.. .736,.726,.581,1.030,1.070 = .829 MOA
13. EVR: ArmaLite M15NM 5.56 - Factory Condition {polished trigger} - Redfield 4-12 scope PA Mount - Groups: 1.016/.852/1.079/.853/.733 = avg. .9066" = .866 MOA
14. trobertson5-0:Knight's Armament SR15 5.56- Kreiger barrel- Leupold MK 1.5-5 SPR- MK262 76 gr. Groups: .889"/ 1.449"/ 1.04"/ .419"/ .924"/ avg .944 = .901 MOA
15.Ronnl001/Les Baer thunder ranch ar15/.596+.625+.965+1.023+1.168+1.392"/6=.9615" = .918 MOA AVERAGE.
16. themagikbullet. .223 SPR upper built by Ayan at boltcarrier.com. Geissele SD-E trigger. SWFA 5-20x50. Black Hills 77gr. 1.397, .707, .777, .812, .941. Average .926"
17. L_JE: Noveske w/.223 18" WOA barrel - Vortex PST 2.5-10x - Black Hills 77SMK .223. Groups: 0.651"/0.651"/1.026"/1.026"/1.526" = avg 0.976" = 0.932 MOA
18. VBC.223 AR-15. 22" SS bull bbl. Geissele G2S trigger. Zeiss Victory FL 6-24x56mm. 53 gr. SMK (#1400) over 27.2 gr. of Varget 1.146, 0.596, 0.926, 1.256, 0.936. Avg = 0.972" or 0.928 MOA  
19, Steelhead43  .741 1.235 1.096 1.076 .530 .678 =.9356  BMC receiver, Rainier UM SPR  barrel, 69SMK's with W748 and 77SMK's with CFE223
20. MrZeat: RRA Varmint EOP 16" .223 Rem - Aero Lower Geissele SSA-E - Leupold Mark AR MOD 1 6-18x40mm - Handloads. Groups: .741/.935/1.357/1.042/.984 = avg 1.048 = .966 MOA
21. UtahShotgunner: DPMS Heavy barreled custom 5.56 - Tasco 8-32X- Handloads. Groups: .781"/ 1.186"/ .955"/ 1.129"/ 1.099"/ avg. 1.03" = .984 MOA
22. Old_Painless: DPMS AR-15 5.56, Leupold 6.5 X 20, Handloads. .97"/ 1.24"/1.31"/1.09"/.56"= Avg. 1.034" = .988 MOA
23 Logicgear: AR-15 HomeBuilt .223 Rem 16", Vortex Viper HS 4-16x44, 69gr SMK handloads 1.426"/1.008"/1.199"/.894"/1.313" AVG=1.168" MOA=1.116"
24.jself24: AA 24" 6.5 Grendel, Vortex Viper PST 6 X 24, Handloads. 1.043/ 1.186/.737"/1.360"/1.525"/avg. 1.170" = 1.117 MOA
25.Holden_McRoyne: Homebuilt .223 AR - Noveske 18.5" SPR barrel, Geissele S3G, 762-SDN-6 - SWFA 1-6 in Bobro mount - Fed GMM 77gr. Groups: 1.470" / 1.293" / 1.797" / 1.379" / 0.918" = avg 1.371" = 1.310 MOA
26. MSC182: BCM/PSA 5.56 16" middy build-HTG ARIS suppressor-Leupold VX-R Patrol scope-Hornady Steel Match 55 gr. HP. Groups: 1.143/2.349/1.330/1.550/.659 = Avg 1.406 = 1.34 MOA
27.TX_Critter: Palmetto State 16" Midlength - YHM phantom stainless can - 3-9x40 Nikon Scope, 55gr Hornady SP Handloads, Groups 0.914" / 1.831" / 1.525" / 1.584" / 1.051" = avg 1.381" = 1.381 MOA
28. Muad: Home built ADCO 18" SPR barrel - Bushnell 6-24x50mm - 77gr SMK BH 5.56mm loads - 100 yards. Groups: 1.689"/1.046"/0.947"/2.113"/1.262"/avg. 1.4114" = 1.35 MOA
29. jwatts, Spike's Midlength 16" AR .5.56- Geiselle 2 stage trigger- Burris Fullfield 2 3-9x40- Handloaded 77gr Nosler Custom Comp HPBT. Groups: 2.823/1.402/2.049/1.14/1.09 = Average of 1.7008"= 1.624MOA
20. excatm76, AR-15 Armalite Lower/Stag 3G Upper 5.56mm, Leupold VX-R Patrol 1.25-4x Bobro mount, Geco 55 grain .223, Groups: 1.161"/1.561"/1.725"/2.645"/1.479" Average=  1.637 MOA
30.Holden_McRoyne: Homebuilt .223 AR - Noveske 18.5" SPR barrel, Geissele S3G, 762-SDN-6 - SWFA 1-6x24 in Bobro mount - Norma Match 77gr SMK. Groups: 1.56"/1.65"/1.09"/2.37"/1.37" = avg 1.61" = 1.54 MOA
32. EVR: ArmaLite AR10A4 Factory Condition/Non-freefloat barrel .308 - Redfield 3-9 - Handload. 1.428/1.851/2.038/1.568/2.032 = avg. 1.7834" = 1.7033 MOA
33. MRW: BCM 5.56 20" Gov't upper, SWFA Super Sniper 10x scope, Hornady 55 gr Steel Match. Groups:1.720/1.365/1.938/2.315/2.036 Ave: 1.8748" MOA: 1.72
34. maxxmojo: Norinco NDM-86 7.62 NATO - 8x42D POSP scope - Georgia Arms 168gr. HPBT Canned Heat - Groups: 2.505"/2.2"/1.44"/2.307"/1.7395"/ avg 2.0383" = 1.9468 MOA
35. LuckyDucky: Palmetto State Armory/Anderson Mfg. - Hornady 6.8mm SPC 110 gr V-MAX - Redfield Revolution 4-12x - Groups: 2.982"/2.253"/1.697"/2.447"/2.548" = avg. 2.385" = 2.278 moa

Bolt Division with magnified optics (any precision gun) at 100 yards

1. trobertson5-0: Raven Rifles M40A5 .308- Leupold 6.5-20 -Surefire suppressor- Handloads. Groups: .381"/ 132"/ .451"/ .582"/ .435"/ avg .3962" = .378 MOA
2.Nick Forney: GAP hospitaller .308 bushnell 4.5-30 43.3 varget 175 smk win brass .410, .391, .543, .562, .530 avg .487= .465MOA
3. Goldeyeslayer: Winchester 70 Heavy Varmint .308 - SWFA SS 10x42 -Handloads. Groups: .525"/.558"/.558"/.470"/.377"/ avg .4976"=.475 MOA
4. Kahntrol Solutions: Remington SPS-V , .308win, Bushnell Elite Tactical 10x, Kahntrol Brake, Handloads. (200yds) Groups: 1.757"/1.026"/.626"/1.103"/.754"=5.269"=1.0538"=.503MOA
5. 7: WAR Custom 308 Rifle - Brux 22" Barrel- USOptics ER25 scope - Sierra 168gr SMK. Groups: .309" / .673" / .562" / .845" / .469"/avg .5716" = .546 MOA
6. M4A1Carbine: Remington 700 SPS Tactical .308 - Nikon Monarch 2.5-10x42 - 155gr Hornady Steel Match. Group: .6295" = .6011 MOA
7. sommere54 - Savage Model 10 FP-SR - Primary Arms 4-14x FFP - 69 SMK, CCI 400, 23.0 gr. 8208 XBR - Groups: 0.453, 0.549, 0.989, 0.403, 0.857 - Avg Group = 0.6502" - Avg MOA = 0.621
8.HKocher: HS Precision Pro 2000 HTR, .308 168gr FGMM, Leupold Mk 4 LR/T 3.5-10x40mm M1.
Groups: .755"/.890"/.822"/.480"/.318" = Average .653" = .624 MOA
9. Old_Painless: Savage 12BVSS .223 - Leupold VX-3 6.5-20 - Handloads. Groups: .56"/ .67"/ .85"/ .65"/ .61" = avg .667" = .637 MOA
10. popnfresh Remington 700 sps tac.308Leupold MK4 mil/milM5 3.5-10x40 TMR Handloads .576/.658/.830/ .622/ .528 = .643moa
11. Old_Painless: Accuracy International .308- (scope unknown)- Handloads. Groups: .420"/ .688"/ 1.02"/ .660"/ .650"/ avg .688" = .657 MOA
12. Kuraki, R700 6.5x55 home built - NXS 3.5-15x56 - 120 gn Sierra BTHP 47 gn RL22. Groups: 0.668/0.602/0.615/1.041/0.587 = avg 0.702 = 0.671 MOA
13. Stantonizm: Winchester M70 Heavy Varmint- Schneider barrel- <1.5lb trigger- Nightforce 3.5-15X-Handloads. Groups: .516"/.691'/ .575"/ .956"/ .784"/ avg .704" = .673 MOA
14. Kuraki: Sako 25-06 - heavy barrel, glass bedded - Zeiss Conquest 4-14 - Handload 100 grain Sierra 44 grain Varget - Groups: 0.865/ 0.680/ 0.620/ 0.432/ 0.93/ Avg. .7054 = .674 MOA
15. indianapwns: Remington 40-X .22-250 -15x Unertl Ultra Varmint - Hornady 50gr V-Max. Groups: 0.779"/0.425"/0.658"/0.650"/1.159" = avg. 0.7342" = .7011 MOA
16. jKahntrol_Solutions: Savage- Walking varminter .223" - Bushnell elite tactical 10x fixed - Bipod- Kahntrol Solutions brake- Handloads. Groups: 575"/.721"/.949"/.904"/.706"=3.855=avg.750"=.717 MOA
17. Sgtmack122: Savage 112 in .223. Tasco 4.5-10x scope, 62g Nosler bullets over 26.5g Varget. .720,.619,.677,.614,1.126 = 3.756/5 = .7512/1.047 = .717MOA.
18.D60, Savage FCV 22-250-- box stock. Weaver Tactical 4-20X ffp, Hand loads Winchester brass, cci-200 primers, RL-15 powder, 50 grain A-Max.
Groups: .515", .892", .748", .790", .832". Average .755" = .721 MOA
19. MB121: Remington 700 5r .308 win- Manners TF1A w/ BDM- Leupold Mk4 10x M1- Reloads: 175 SMK, 41.5 gr IMR 4064, 210M primer, 2.800 COAL. Groups: 0.738"/0.763"/0.694"/0.748"/0.919"= Average 0.772"= .737 MOA
20.chocolateisyummy2: Remington 700 .308 Winchester Bell and Carlson Stock Nikon Monarch X 4X16-50 Handloads 1.255/.909/.410/.823/.533 = avg.786 =.7506 MOA
21.sigman68/Tikka T3 Sporter 223/Nightforce 12-42x56/ Handloads / Groups .638/.794/1.06/.640/.855 = .762 MOA @ 100 yards
21.Nick Forney: APO .308 bushnell dmr 3.5-21 G2, Norma Match 168 factory Groups .263, .826, 1.07, 1.003, .884 4.046/5 .809 .773 MOA
23. FALARAK: Remington 700 5R Milspec .308 - Leupold 6.5x20 - 175SMK Handloads. Groups: .498"/1.130"/1.131"/.676"/.711" = avg .8292" = .792 MOA
24. Hawkeye29: Remington 700 ADL .308 - lightened factory trigger, Bushnell 3200 10x scope, Handloads. Groups: 1.049"/.544"/.828"/1.059"/1.054"/ avg .906" = .792 MOA
25. bga71: FN SPR A1 .308 - Vortex PST 6-24x50 - GA Arms 168gr Target Load - Groups .922/.892/.642/.992/.802 = .850 AVG = .811 MOA
26. OhioLongRange: Remington 700 .260 -CBI rem-age barrel - Mcree stock - Vortex Razor scope - 140 gr. A-max Handloads. Groups: --------------------------------- .822 MOA
27. sommere54: Savage Model 10 FP-SR .223 Rem with PA 4-14x FFP scope. Reloads: 69 SMK over 23.1 gr. 8208XBR in Hornady cases with CCI 400 primers. Groups: 0.821", 0.756", 0.910", 0.978", 0.849" - Avg: 0.863" - MOA: 0.824
28. Nagewaza624: Savage Model 12 LRP 6.5 Creedmore - Sightron SIII 8x32x56 - Handloads. Groups: 1.328"/ .657"/ .484"/ 1.074"/.830"/ avg .8746" =.835 MOA
29. Old_Painless : Remington 700 VLS .308- Leupold 6.5 X 20- Handloads. Groups: .81"/.73"/1.15"/.76"/1.04"/avg .089" = .858 MOA
30..Hanzerik: Rem 700 SPS Tactical 308, SWFA SS 10x42, B&C M40 Stock, Timney trigger.FGMM 168gr 1-3/Hornady SM 4-5 .817/.827/.907/.922/1.142 Avg: .923 = .881MOA
31.Yatzee Squirrel: Remington 700 SPS .308 in a Bell and Carlson Medalist Stock, Vortex PST 4x16x50 68gr Hornady AMAX over 42.4 gr of Varget using CCI BR2 primers in assorted brass.  .783 + 1.013 + .921 + 1.091+ .938 4.746/5 = .9492" .906 MOA
32. FALARAK: Custom built Remington 700 6.5 Creedmoor - Leupold 6.5x20 - Hornady factory 140AMAX. Groups: 1.18"/ .955"/ .586"/ .654"/ 1.391" = avg .9532" = .9104 MOA
33. UtahShotgunner: Custom XP-100 (pistol) 7mmTCU- Burris 5X-Handloads. Groups: 1.271"/ 1.221"/ .945"/ .873"/ .745"/ avg. 1.011= .966 MOA
34. sommere54 - Savage Model 10 FP-SR .223 Rem, Primary Arms 4-14x FFP - 69 gr. SMK, CCI 400 SRP, 23.1 gr. 8208XBR @ 2.270" COAL - Groups: 1.095", 1.215", 1.905", 1.355", 0.958" = Avg. Group 1.3056" = Avg. MOA 1.033
35. Hawkeye29: Remington 700 .308 - Bushnell 3200 -168gr Amax's on 44.5 grains of Varget in Lake City brass . Groups: 1.325"/1.078"/1.089"/1.1162"/0.814" = avg. 1.0936" = 1.044 MOA
36. SecretSquirell: Remington 700 AAC-SD-.308-KRG Whiskey 3 Gen 2 chassis-Vortex PST 4-16-FGMM 175gr. Groups 1.429/.552/1.199/1.635/1.158/ avg 1.194" =1.14 MOA
37. Scattterbrains: Mossberg MVP .204 -Vortex 2.5-10x44 - Handloads. Groups: 1.218"/.780"/1.942"/1.431"/.796"/avg. 1.2334" = 1.178 MOA
38. Muad: Remington 700 SPS Tactial AAC-SD - Bushnell 6-24x50mm - 175gr SMK loads - 100 yards. Groups: 1.185"/1.583"/1.543"/1.203"/0.69"/avg. 1.2408" = 1.185 MOA
39. Hvylvy:Savage Axis .223 -Hawke Sport HD - Sierra .69 grain BTHP Handloads. Groups: .458/ .843/ 1.074/ 1.499/ 2.304/ avg. 1.235 = 1.123MOA
40..indianapwns: Savage Model 10FCP-K .308 - Vortex Viper 6.5-20x50 - Hornady Match 168gr BTHP Groups: 1.406"/1.023"/1.133"/2.078"/1.056" = avg. 1.3392" = 1.279 MOA
41. FaucetFace: Savage 10fp-Falcon Menace 4-12x44-Hornady 168gr A-max. Groups: 1.511”/1.035”/1.917”/2.455”/1.446”/ avg 1.6728” = 1.60 MOA
42.  Mwieczorek, 1943 Izhevsk M91/30 PU sniper rifle, Handloaded ammo, Groups: 1.79, 1.50, 1.86, 2.22, 1.78 = Average of 1.83 MOA
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[Last Edit: 9/13/2014 11:28:49 AM EDT by akethan]
22lr Division


Any 22lr rifle with iron sights at 25 yards

1. Green_Canoe: CZ 452 Lux (left handed) - stock iron sights -Ammo: Eley Tenex. Groups: 0.308 / 0.222 / 0.441 / 0.430 / 0.692 = 0.4186 Ave. = 1.60 MOA
2. EJThor: Mossberg 42 Mb(a) WWII trainer .22lr - Stock iron sights - CCI Standard Velocity 40gr LRN. Groups: 0.412" / 0.467" / 0.338" / 0.423" / 0.518" = avg 0.433" = 1.654 MOA
3.Batmanacw Ruger 10/22, tech sights, power custom trigger components, stock barrel Wolf MT.406, .440, .507, .648, .168 = .434 Average
1.736 MOA average
4. Muad: Muad-built Spike's ST-22 AR in M4 config- GI iron sights - CCI AR Tactical 40gr .22LR. Groups: .267"/.0296"/.417"/.699"/.795" = avg. 0.4948" = 1.89 MOA
5.Torf, stock Remington 521-T, open sights, CCI Standard Velocity, Groups: 0.359"/0.632"/0.503"/0.572"/0.451" Average = 0.503" or 1.921 MOA
6. Old_Painless: Remington Speedmaster .22 LR at 25 yards, iron sights and prayer, Wolf Match. Groups .673"/.441"/.579"/.437"/.659'/ Avg .558" = 2.13 MOA
7. Muad: Muad-built Spike's ST-22 AR in M4 config- SSA trigger- GI iron sights - CCI AR Tactical 40gr .22LR. Groups: .386"/1.071"/.968"/.658"/.877" = avg. 0.792" = 3.03 MOA
8. Green Canoe: Savage 4C (Circa 1936) iron sights @ 25 yards Ammo: Remington Target Rifle Groups: 1.138 / .459 / .950 / .731 / .847 Avg= 0.825" = 3.15 MOA
9.ANDRAPOS: Marlin 795 .22LR with YHM Mite silencer - Iron sights (Tech Sights) - CCI Segmented Hollowpoint Subsonic 40grn 1050fps - GROUPS @ 25yds: .515, .755, 1.576, .709, .630. Average CTC @ 25yds 0.837" = 3.348 @ 100yds = 3.197 MOA
10. nickforney: Henry 22 - CCI subsonic - irons. Groups: .778/ 1.120/ .810/ .832/ .677/ avg .843= 3.22MOA
11. nickforney: Ruger 10/22- CCI subsonic -irons. Groups: .917/ 1.255/ .405/ .958/ .941/ avg .8952 = 3.419 MOA
12. wmterry89: Remington 513T .22 - Redfield sights- CCI 22 short. Groups: 1.367 / .974 / 1.874 / .862 / 1.727/ Avg. 1.361= 5.20 MOA
13.  jwatts: Norinco 22 ATD 22LR- Stock- Federal Auto Match 40gr Groups:1.175/1.815/1.315/1.1.153/1.306/ Avg 1.353in =5.666 MOA

Any 22lr rifle with non-magnified optic at 50 yards

1. ShiftSix: Winchester Model 52B .22LR- iron sights- Federal Gold Match. Groups: .952" /.371" / .319" /.455" /.404" = avg .5002" = .96 MOA
2. Mwieczorek Winchester 52D, Redfield International sights with adjustable rear iris, Wolf Match Target ammo, Groups: 0.610, 0.656, 0.602, 0.730, 0.469, average 0.613" = 1.17 MOA
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1. Old_Painless: Ruger 10-22 - Leupold 4 X 12 - Wolf Match. Groups: .270"/.288"/.247"/.420"/.377"/ avg .3204" = .612 MOA
2. PIDDLER: Ruger 10-22 - Green Mountain barrel - Timney trigger - Wolf Match Target .22LR. Groups: .268"/.242"/.380"/.349"/.407"/avg .3292" = .629 MOA
3.billyhill: Suhl kk-150-1 22 LR/ Weaver T-36X scope/SK Pistol Match/ Groups: 0.392 / 0.299 / 0.360 / 0.352 / 0.247 = 0.630MOA
4. Old_Painless: Savage Mark II BSEV .22 R - Leupold 6.5 X 20 - Wolf Match. Groups: .313"/.664"/.324"/.341"/.155"/ avg .3594" = .687 MOA
5.Torf: modified Ruger 10/22 w/ Green Mountain 20" barrel & Archangel stock, Vortex Crossfire II 4-12x50AO scope, Wolf Match Target, Groups: 0.482"/0.357"/0.414"/0.334"/0.514" Average = .4202" or 0.803 MOA
6.billyhill: Sako P-94 22 LR/ Leupold 6.5x20 VXIII scope/SK Standard Plus/ Groups: 0.459 / 0.541 / 0.454 / 0.402 / 0.375 MOA = 0.852
7. Mwieczorek, Savage MkII BV, BSA Platinum target scope, 36x44, cheap Harris knock off bipod, Lapua Center X ammo, Groups: .309, .796, .280, .591, .403, average 0.476" = 0.909 MOA
8.indianapwns: Anschutz Match 64 - Nikon Prostaff 3-9x40 - Remington-Eley EPS. Groups: 0.267"/0.614"/0.560"/0.527"/0.418" = avg. 0.4772" = .9116 MOA
9. UtahShotgunner: Haenal .22rf - Redfield 20X- Federal Gold Medal Ultra Match. Groups: .473"/ .640"/ .593"/ .615"/ .531"/ avg. .577" = 1.10 MOA
10.Holden_McRoyne: CZ 452 American - Intensity Optics 3.8-12x44 - Federal Auto Match. Groups: 0.959" / 0.564" / 0.362" / 0.525" / 0.622" = avg 0.606" = 1.158 MOA
11.Mwieczorek, Harrington & Richardson M12 in .22lr, BSA 6-24x40mm, Groups: 0.695", 0.634", 0.435", 0.590", 0.745" = average of 0.6198" = 1.184 MOA
12.excatm76: Savage MK II .22 LR - DIP cheek rest, Krylon by MrsExcatm, limbsaver recoil pad for LOP - Weaver Kaspa 2.5-10x50 - Eley Club. Groups: .257"/ .782"/.894"/.754"/.436" = 1.19 MOA
13. OhioLongRange: Savage mk2 FVSR, wolf match target, 4x14x scope. ------------------------------ 1.46 MOA
14.MrsExCatm. Savage MK II .22 LR. DIP cheek rest. Krylon by me.  Limbsaver recoil pad for LOP - Weaver Kaspa 2.5-10x50 - Eley Club. Groups: 1.454"/ .660"/.419"/1.013"/.630" = 1.60 MOA
15. trobertson5-0: CZ455 American 22lr - Leupold 2-7X- Wolf Match Extra. Groups: .795"/ 1.843"/ .647"/ .946"/ .533"/ avg. .9528" = 1.820 MOA
16. jwatts: Marlin Model 60 22LR- Burris 6x32- Federal Auto Match 40gr Groups: .965/.786/1.465/1.046/1.111/ Avg 1.075 =2.251 MOA




Any 22lr with magnified optic at 100 yards

1.billyhill: Suhl KK 150-1, 22lr, Possum hollow fore end adapter, Weaver T-36X scope, SK Pistol Match Groups: 1.23”, 0.62”, 1.21”, 0.88”, 1.27” Ave: 1.042 MOA=1 (0.995)
2. L_JE: Ruger 10/22 Targ.Tac. 16" 1/16, BSA 4-16x Mil Dot, Eley Match ammo. Groups: 1.214"/2.214"/0.901"/1.901"/1.901" = avg 1.626" = 1.55 MOA
3. Torf modified Ruger 10/22 w/ Green Mountain 20" barrel & Archangel stock. The internal modifications are a Volquartsen hammer and Volquartsen bolt catch Vortex Crossfire II 4-12x50AO  CCI Green Tag - 1.345"/2.078"/1.954"/1.720"/1.395" Average = 1.698"or 1.621 MOA
4. jwatts: Marlin Model 60 22LR- Burris 6x32- Federal Auto Match 40gr Groups: 3.431/2.418/1.97/2.065/3.04/ Avg 2.585 =2.706 MOA

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1.Ragedracer1977: Savage 93R-17F in .17 HMR - Rifle Basix Trigger- Centerpoint 3-9x32- CCI 17gr TNT. Groups: 0.511" / 0.465" / 1.193" / 0.481" / 0.609" = avg. 0.652" = 0.622 moa
2.FaucetFace: Savage 93r17-AAC element-Vortex crossfire 4-12x50-Hornady 17gr v-max. Groups: 1.899”/1.878”/1.39”/2.594”/2.501” = avg 2.0524” = 1.96 MOA
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1. Old_Painless: Remington 700 - Leupold scope- Kahntrol Brake- handloads. Groups: .409/ .545/ .718/ .436/ .807/ Avg .583" = .556 MOA
2. Old_Painless: Accuracy International AE, Leupold scope, handloads, muzzle brake. Groups: .494/ .504/ .509/ .516/ .915/ Average .5876 = .561 MOA  
3. Old_Painless, Savage .308, Leupold Scope, handloads. Groups .653/ .658/ .745/ 1.124/.303 = Average .6966 = .665 MOA
4. Old_Painless: DPMS .223 AR-15 - Leupold scope -Kahntrol Brake, handloads. Groups: 1.179/ 1.282/ .985/ .805/ .708/ Avg .992" = .947 MOA
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Link Posted: 8/10/2013 2:00:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/24/2014 9:36:47 AM EDT by akethan]
WALL OF CLAIM  

This post will serve as the place to call out anyone who publicly posts unsubstantiated claims of beyond MOA accuracy on AR15.com. If you attack someone's accuracy in a thread, say something along the lines of "I could do better than that with...." or "That group sucks", when it is a .5MOA group; or swear that you have a <.5 MOA off-the-shelf hunting rifle, this is where you prove it. If you post pictures in the original thread along with your claim, you won't be added.

If someone sees an accuracy claim made that qualifies a poster for this list, send me the user name, link to the thread, and the post number where the claim was made. If the post meets the requirements, the candidate and their claim will be added to the list.

If you happen to find yourself on this list, you can easily be removed by participating in the challenge, whether you prove your original claim or not.

If there are extenuating circumstances (ie: you can't find ammo, you sold the rifle in question, etc.), your excuse will be posted along with the claim.


You've Been Called Out. - Site Staff Approved

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Pirkle: I have two of the Stag Model 6's and they shoot sub MOA at 100 yards.  I also have several RRA rifles that shoot sub MOA.

southpaw68: I'm having really good luck with 165gn Sierra GameKings..sub .5" when I do my part.

buck19delta:  Claiming a 5 shot sub MOA group.

swimshoot: Out of the 6 ARs I oown, only one is a RRA, but it runs just over 3/4 (MOA) with BH 77s.  

cantgrowup: I shot a 100 yd sub-MOA group with Magpul plastic flip-up sights.(IMI razor-core)


NorthPolar: My 10LE holds 2/3moa with 75gr Hornady match

gytheran : My 583 (mini-14) stainless model has put my amateur reloads sub MOA(yes, 100yds) using only front supported sandbags and a 3x nikon p-223 in semi-rapid fire succession.

ISED8U: My FN SPR was half moa or better from the day I took it out of the box.


blueheeler66:  I have an early SR-25 that is sub 0.5 MOA


molar: I'd put my 16" Daniel Defense barrel up against any. After putting a 1-4 on it, it routinely does 3/4 MOA at 100

Hydra-shokz: Looks like a bunch of buckshot patterns! Shit, I ain't even gonna get my good ammo out to crush you fuckers!!!

Howie_Phelterbush:  my $849 remington shoots .80! with a $250 scope

xLucidx: Shoots .25 moa at 100 if I do my part.  Posted a 3 shot group that was nice but didn't complete the challenge akethan

sgwlower:  my JP shoots .33 moa consistantly

Mblades: My SR-15 shoots sub MOA with several different kinds of ammo.

imartez:  The Wilson (barrel) is dead nuts accurate. 1/2 moa @ 100 yards, easily

oldrock:   It is a ruger bolt action in .308 with a Nikon 3x9 scope and quick detach sling. the thing shoots great (1"@100 yards all day long)

tactical45: I am very happy with my Spike's 16" mid length chf barrel. It is as accurate as I hoped it would be. It will shoot around 1.5" at 100 yard with xm193 and less than 1" with my handloads.

RobHazmat My (PSA) runs all day with whatever I put in it and I can hit sub MOA at 200 yards with a primary arms 14x optic.  

NormallyAspirated2:My Rem 700 308 shoots 3 168gr bullets into less than .25 @100 best 3 shot was .104"

M4HK33: No need to. (join in the MOA thread) There are already plenty of rifles in that thread that outshoot OBR's at 1/3 to 1/2 the cost.

He likes to run his mouth and make fun but won't man up and post his own entry.

Dragynn "Both my veeps'll do that now most of the time, not really earth-shaking." (referring to 1 MOA) original thread

Katrina24: "if thats with a scope get your money back....... you shoud get 1 MOA at 100 yards with A2 open sights.. with a scope I can put rounds in the same holes @100 M and 1MOA at 300 M." original thread

Layer60: "Don't care what anyone says, there are some $600 rifles off the shelf that will shoot a dime-sized group at 100 yards, right out of the box. With Hornady Match A-Max rounds or similar (I'm not sure what's similar), you can punch the same hole repeatedly if you're even a half-assed shooter." original thread

thewildman: "it is a .308 at 100 yards, you should be able to shoot a better group than that blindfolded and offhand. and yes, at that distance with a semi decent shooter behind it, it should make one jagged hole." (referring to ~.5" 3-shot group) original thread

CoolioDot223: "My A Bolt .270 with a 4x Sporter scope does 3 shot ragged hole at 100."original thread

zwVirtual: I can shoot an AR-15 with iron sights and get almost as good of a grouping. (referring to .5” 3-shot group) original thread

JAD762: "My off the shelf Browning does 1/3 in groups at 100. After spending a year tuning ammo to it."original thread

88_Sahara: "My SPS tactical shot better groups than that with milsurp. (referring to .5” 3-shot group)"original thread

BubbaDog81: "I can do that with my stock 700 at 100 yards. (referring to .5” 3-shot group)"original thread

dillehayd: "Last bolt gun I had was a 700 in .270 w/ a 4-10x Leupold from a sporting goods store. It shot groups like that all day long. (referring to .5” 3-shot group)"original thread

Scottfn308: "Most any off the rack hunting rifle will do 1 MOA nowdays." original thread

Buck19Delta: "it looks like it shoots well.... try some different ammo.....you should be able to get better than a 1/2 inch at 100 yards. i can do that with my stock LTR, and model 7, XCR, with no trouble. happy shooting!"original thread

DigDug "That three shot group at 100 yards off a bench should be an enlarged ragged hole, not three separate holes. (referring to .5” 3-shot group)" original thread

<Redacted>: "3" groups at 100 yards is not tight. You should be able to almost put your shots right on if not right next to each other at that range" (regarding 16" ARAK-21 piston carbine) original thread <Poster is in the military and currently stationed outside of the country. He expressed interest in the challenge but is unable to compete at this time. >

<CLAIM PROVEN>lte82: "My dpms 260 is a 1/2 - 3/4 moa shooter. So was my AR-10T. Just needs to be fed well developed hand loads." original thread

Falsecrack: "My OBR can shoot 1/2 MOA groups." original thread
Link Posted: 8/10/2013 2:02:29 PM EDT
Should I repost my entries that were not counted?
Link Posted: 8/10/2013 2:04:21 PM EDT
Also... what the heck is a 1 MOA rifle owner? Shouldn't anyone with a target under 1 MOA be listed there?
Link Posted: 8/10/2013 2:08:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/10/2013 2:30:04 PM EDT by akethan]
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Originally Posted By InfiniteGrim:
Also... what the heck is a 1 MOA rifle owner? Shouldn't anyone with a target under 1 MOA be listed there?
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Yes I agree I'm going to try and make this much easier and less confusing.


I cleaned things up a bit, too many redundant entries.


Trying to pick through and see what is current and what is old.
Link Posted: 8/10/2013 7:09:57 PM EDT
Awesome work new op
Link Posted: 8/10/2013 7:29:20 PM EDT
Tag for later....hopefully I'll be able to shoot this month.  
Link Posted: 8/10/2013 7:32:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/10/2013 7:43:41 PM EDT by VBC]
From the other thread.  Done this afternoon.  Bipod only.  No rear rest, bag, sock or anything else but my hand.  The .308 target is questionable as pointed out by nick in the other thread, so that gun is DQ'd from the competition.   .223 is all good though, and my official entry into the SPR magnified optic at 100 yards.

"I finally got off my lazy butt to do this thing.   It was so hot and humid (my scope lens fogged up when I took the gun out of the case.   )   Of course, I probably could have done better under better conditions.   Took about 10 minutes to do each run.  Showed up with two (2) ARFCOM MOA All Day targets and 25 rounds for each gun to choot 'em with.

First Gun --

.223 AR-15.  22" SS bull bbl.  Geissele G2S trigger.   Zeiss Victory FL 6-24x56mm.  53 gr. SMK (#1400) over 27.2 gr. of Varget.





1.146, 0.596, 0.926, 1.256, 0.936.  Avg = 0.972"  or 0.928 MOA

I just built the gun last week and it was the first time out with it.  

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Second Gun --

.308  RRA LAR-8.  20" heavy bbl.  Nightforce NXS 3.5-15x56mm.  150 gr. SGK Spitzer BT (#2125) over 44.5 gr. of RE-15; and 44.5 gr. Varget (I ran out of RE-15.)





1.162, 1.292, 1.932, 0.922, 1.953.  Avg = 1.45" or 1.38 MOA

A little dissapointed in my performance there.  I really pulled a few shots.  But that's how the cookie crumbled.


Guns --



Had fun.  
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Link Posted: 8/10/2013 8:12:39 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By MRW:
A 1 MOA rifle owner is someone that shoots the course with their rifle locked into a rest or uses some other kind of stabilization system that is not allowed in the regular competition
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I just contradicted you today (posted above you).   Let me put a bag under the stock and we'll really have some fun.
Link Posted: 8/10/2013 8:58:05 PM EDT
IM sent to OP
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First time with privi partisan 69 grn open tip match . Had a case rupture.  Felt bits of powder on forehead and cheeks. Smoke wafted out of magaxine and charging handle area for quite a while.

Also... orange stickers and red dots are not a good mix .


Patchouli/16"postban RRA/primary arms micro dot /privi partisan 69 grn otm/50 yards/Groups: 2.169,1.776,1.534,1.932,1.701
Avg=1.8224 x 2= 3.6448/1.047= 3.481 MOA
Link Posted: 8/10/2013 9:23:42 PM EDT
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First time with privi partisan 69 grn open tip match . Had a case rupture.  Felt bits of powder on forehead and cheeks. Smoke wafted out of magaxine and charging handle area for quite a while.

Also... orange stickers and red dots are not a good mix .


Patchouli/16"postban RRA/primary arms micro dot /privi partisan 69 grn otm/50 yards

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Great I have 400 rounds of PPU 69gr  sitting here.
Link Posted: 8/10/2013 9:30:05 PM EDT
So an M&P 15-22 with Aimpoint = Non magnified optics correct? It shot pretty good at 30yds, maybe with a backpack for support I could get it to shoot well enough. Problem is the size of the dot itself. And the Wyoming wind.

And for clarification, if we shoot the same gun/class, get better groups then what we originally got on the list with, it doesn't count as a new score correct.
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Great I have 400 rounds of PPU 69gr  sitting here.
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I also had one jam (hand feeding into open chamber /empty mag then pushing bolt release) and the bullet was pushed into case. I did not use that one.

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Originally Posted By brass:


Disagree.  I'll be posting an entry, I'll get video of the session if I can.  

ETA:  .338 Lapua and AR, 100yds
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Originally Posted By brass:
Originally Posted By MRW:
A 1 MOA rifle owner is someone that shoots the course with their rifle locked into a rest or uses some other kind of stabilization system that is not allowed in the regular competition


Disagree.  I'll be posting an entry, I'll get video of the session if I can.  

ETA:  .338 Lapua and AR, 100yds

What he means is the 1 moa shooters are the pen class that doesnt fall into the rules for the other classes.  Using a lead sled or something along the lines disqualifies you to shoot the other class's
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Patchouli/ bushy postban 20"/ff handguard/weighted a1 stock/ Iron sights (rear folding)/black hills 69 grn otm red box/Groups 1.536, 1.826, 1.141, .955, 1.175
Avg=1.266" x2= 2.2532" / 1.047= 2.152 MOA
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Originally Posted By Hanzerik: And for clarification, if we shoot the same gun/class, get better groups then what we originally got on the list with, it doesn't count as a new score correct.
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I thought we could post new scores. What if I make an upgrade to the rifle or find better ammo or something?

 
Link Posted: 8/10/2013 11:08:13 PM EDT
Yes higher scores with same gun will replace lower scores with same gun.

The only way to have two scores within the same class is to use two different guns.


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Originally Posted By indianapwns:
I thought we could post new scores. What if I make an upgrade to the rifle or find better ammo or something?  
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Originally Posted By indianapwns:
Originally Posted By Hanzerik: And for clarification, if we shoot the same gun/class, get better groups then what we originally got on the list with, it doesn't count as a new score correct.
I thought we could post new scores. What if I make an upgrade to the rifle or find better ammo or something?  


If you post a new score with the same rifle I will erase the old and add the new.
Link Posted: 8/11/2013 7:52:26 AM EDT
If you guys could use this format it really helps me out.


nickforney: Noveske Recon 16" 5.56 - Geissele SSA-E trigger - Troy Iron sights - Hornady Superformance 53 grain vmax Groups: .546/ .922/ .535/ .453/ .373/ avg .5658 = 1.0806 MOA



Separating your name, rifle and group makes a lot more work for me.
Link Posted: 8/11/2013 10:49:37 AM EDT
Thanks for taking it over. Its a lot of work but I think its a thread worth keeping going.

I'm going to have to get out and shoot it again!

James
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Link Posted: 8/11/2013 11:43:54 AM EDT
In on the new thread.


and tag for whenever I get my rifle.
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Can we get the targets on a safe host? One that does not load up my computer with tracking cookies and spyware?

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+1

Please?
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Why did you do away with the "Unlimited Class"?
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I didn't really think it belonged but it's not up to me.

It's back.  

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+1

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Can we get the targets on a safe host? One that does not load up my computer with tracking cookies and spyware?

Thanks



+1

Please?



If someone wants to provide different links I will update them.  These I just copied from the old thread.

Here is one from my PB account. I don't have a printer at home so let me know if this works.


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Originally Posted By VBC:


I just contradicted you today (posted above you).   Let me put a bag under the stock and we'll really have some fun.
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Originally Posted By MRW:
A 1 MOA rifle owner is someone that shoots the course with their rifle locked into a rest or uses some other kind of stabilization system that is not allowed in the regular competition


I just contradicted you today (posted above you).   Let me put a bag under the stock and we'll really have some fun.

He isn't saying it's impossible.  He is saying that the title 1moa rifle owner goes to people who demonstrated they have a rifle capable of that, but did it with equipment that made the skill of the actual shooter have less of an effect on the result.

SInce you did it without using any special equipment, in this "contest" you don't get the 1moa rifle owner title.  That's actually a good thing.. it means you shot 1moa or less without using any special equipment that is outside the rules.  You did it with more shooting skill and not because of using special equipment (sleds and such).

It's basically the difference between just owning a 1moa rifle, and being a 1moa shooter without using sleds and all that.
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What's wrong with box.net?  
Link Posted: 8/11/2013 3:02:55 PM EDT
My spyware detector goes off when I download anything from there.
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Well, I decided to do this today, printed out targets, got my rifle and ammo together.  Looked up a good spot for 100 yds on Google Earth, loaded up the suburban and headed out to the desert.  Got out there, confirmed the distance with a tape measure, and went to get set up.

FORGOT THE DARN TARGETS ON MY DESK.  DANGIT.

I still had some sight-in targets stapled to the backer from when I was sighting in my AR-15 last week.  So, I picked aiming points and just used them.  I hope that's OK.  If I need to go do it again to qualify, I will.

Shooting position.  Rifle is a Savage 93R-17F with a Centerpoint (CHEAP!) 3-9x32.  I have a Rifle Basix trigger installed, set at about 4oz.



The 'range'.  I was shooting from the top right to the bottom left.



Target.  All the other unmarked holes in the target are .223.  There are only 25 17HMR shots on target.



Ragedracer1977: Savage 93R-17F in .17 HMR - Rifle Basix Trigger- Centerpoint 3-9x32- CCI 17gr TNT. Groups: 1.437" / 1.178" / 1.091" / 0.776" / 0.931" = avg. 1.083" = 1.034 moa

Group calculation was done using OnTarget.

ETA:  Just to confirm that OnTarget was working, I put a caliper on one of the groups.  It's dead on.




I'm going to try this again, I think.  I noticed my groups getting smaller as they went.  And I know why.  I walked out through a bunch of sand to check the prior target and then walked back.  The first group the scope was really 'bouncing' with my heartbeat.  By the last, my heart had settled down a bit.
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What's wrong with box.net?  
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Originally Posted By Lancelot:

Can we get the targets on a safe host? One that does not load up my computer with tracking cookies and spyware?



Thanks


What's wrong with box.net?  
Nothing is wrong with box.net, but one of the three targets is hosted at pdfcast instead of box.net, and that site sucks.

 
Link Posted: 8/11/2013 9:16:59 PM EDT
OK.  I couldn't take it.  

My shooting spot is only 15 minutes from the house, so I had to go back. Cleaned the barrel ( which hasn't been done in 500 rds or so) and gave myself time to settle after placing the target.  Results are MUCH better.  If not for that one flyer (I called it, too.  Jerked the trigger) I could have been awful close to 1/2 MOA.

Still the same rifle and distance.  17HMR at 100yds.



Ragedracer1977: Savage 93R-17F in .17 HMR - Rifle Basix Trigger- Centerpoint 3-9x32- CCI 17gr TNT. Groups: 0.511" / 0.465" / 1.193" / 0.481" / 0.609" = avg. 0.652" = 0.622 moa
Link Posted: 8/11/2013 9:23:48 PM EDT
I also decided to try out my AR-15.  Groups are nothing to brag about.  My eyes are getting too damn old for irons.  And not even real irons, but Magpul MBUS.    I think I'll try this again.  The diamonds were just really hard for me to center on.  The target was in the shade and I was in the sun.  You can see where my middle diamond group was pretty good.  I had 'reference' points.  Maybe a little brighter diamond (red or orange) would help.

50YDS AR15 IRONS:



Ragedracer1977: Spikes Tactical 16" M4 upper - Magpul MBUS- 55gr pulled M193 in front of 25.5 grains WC844. Groups: 3.1" / 2.1" / 0.872" / 2.922" / 1.941" = avg. 2.193" = 4.190 moa
Link Posted: 8/11/2013 9:30:50 PM EDT
Tag for later.
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Originally Posted By ragedracer1977:
I also decided to try out my AR-15.  Groups are nothing to brag about.  My eyes are getting too damn old for irons.  And not even real irons, but Magpul MBUS.    I think I'll try this again.  The diamonds were just really hard for me to center on.  The target was in the shade and I was in the sun.  You can see where my middle diamond group was pretty good.  I had 'reference' points.  Maybe a little brighter diamond (red or orange) would help.

50YDS AR15 IRONS:

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn10/webphotoalbum/target3label_zps464fa81a.jpg

Ragedracer1977: Spikes Tactical 16" M4 upper - Magpul MBUS- 55gr pulled M193 in front of 25.5 grains WC844. Groups: 3.1" / 2.1" / 0.872" / 2.922" / 1.941" = avg. 2.193" = 4.190 moa
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Now I have to do this.
Link Posted: 8/12/2013 5:44:00 AM EDT
New OP,

Looking to get added to the list, page 13 of the old thread. To make life easy

buckstrucks: Ruger Ranch Rifle 5.56, Houge stock, Vortex Viper PST 1-4 set at 1x, handload 55g VMAX Groups: 1.41"/1.17"/1.89"/1.91"/1.06"/ avg 1.48" = 2.82 MOA
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Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
Fellows, just a little follow-up.

I decided to try my scoped .22 rifles again to see if I could repeat the test.  I felt like a rich guy burning up a box of Wolf Match.

My Ruger 10-22 did .612 MOA in the original post.  Today I used my normal leather rear bag and shot .678 MOA.

My Savage did .687 MOA in the OP and today it shot .688 MOA.

The differences are not statistically meaningful.

Conclusions:  

1.  The leather bag makes no real difference.

2.  If a shooter and a rifle can do "One MOA All Day Long", he can also repeat it on another day.

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I did a test yesterday with my scoped 10/22.  

I felt like a rich man burning up crappy bulk Winchester 525 rd packs of 36 grain hivelocity hps (had never shot them before... they shot a bit high at 50 yards, but were pretty darn accurate for bulk rounds).

So I shot the 5 groups at 50 yards, then moved to 100.

I don't have the results right in front of me, but they were very similar.  I had always wondered if 50 would equate to 100.  It was pretty close.  I rushed a bit at 100, and used bigger aiming stickers, so I think it is virtually the same MOA.


( results similar, meaning the calculated MOA at 50 & extrapolated to 100 was similar to the actual results at 100)
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Originally Posted By Old_Painless:


Fellows, just a little follow-up.



I decided to try my scoped .22 rifles again to see if I could repeat the test.  I felt like a rich guy burning up a box of Wolf Match.



My Ruger 10-22 did .612 MOA in the original post.  Today I used my normal leather rear bag and shot .678 MOA.



My Savage did .687 MOA in the OP and today it shot .688 MOA.



The differences are not statistically meaningful.



Conclusions:  



1.  The leather bag makes no real difference.



2.  If a shooter and a rifle can do "One MOA All Day Long", he can also repeat it on another day.



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You're killing me with that 10/22. I'm going to be disgusted with myself if I can't eventually get my Anschutz to shoot that good. I've tried several types of ammo in it now, and this Remington/Eley EPS stuff is the most consistent, but I still get a flyer now and then. Maybe the flyer is me though. I have noticed that all the best scores on here were done with Wolf Match, and I just can't find any of that stuff to try.

 



If I can't eventually get this Anschutz to shoot any better then I might as well sell it and get a factory 10/22 Target. I'm amazed at how well those are shooting.
Link Posted: 8/12/2013 1:43:17 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
Fellows, just a little follow-up.

I decided to try my scoped .22 rifles again to see if I could repeat the test.  I felt like a rich guy burning up a box of Wolf Match.

My Ruger 10-22 did .612 MOA in the original post.  Today I used my normal leather rear bag and shot .678 MOA.

My Savage did .687 MOA in the OP and today it shot .688 MOA.

The differences are not statistically meaningful.

Conclusions:  

1.  The leather bag makes no real difference.

2.  If a shooter and a rifle can do "One MOA All Day Long", he can also repeat it on another day.

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I think are right.  On the leather bag and the fact that if the rifle is really an MOA gun you will be able to repeat at the same general point.  Wind shooter error and flaws in the ammo may change things but you should have a tight group which shows where everything is singing and doing what it should be doing.  A normal grouping where you are doing your part and a loose or lazy group where you are getting 'fliers' or pulling rounds and chasing ammo all over the page.  

I want to go back and try my .22s with standard velocity.  I will have to look at the .22 ammo i have again and see if there is anything I can improve on.  One day I will find screws for my10/22 mount and put a piece of glass on it to shoot the 100 meter challenge.
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Link Posted: 8/12/2013 2:35:24 PM EDT
Wolf match extra will not shoot well in my 10/22.  Out of a test of 7 or 8 match grade ammo choices, I think it was the largest groups.  They were bigger than an inch at 50 yards.

CCI Standard Vel was one of the consistently best.  I am all out of it though.

Link Posted: 8/12/2013 2:39:01 PM EDT
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